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The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

tazanastazio said:
What good is scientific knowledge without adequate common sense?
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Common sense says the Earth is flat, and the sun goes round the Earth.

Common sense has proved to be a very poor guide to the nature of the universe. Most of modern physics is counterintuitive.
 
tazanastazio said:
What benefit is scientific knowledge if one doesn't put good common sense to use?
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If you had any common sense you would have realised the enormous hole in your hilarious "God is infinities" religion.

Your religion claims there is no empty space between stars, but an infinite number of particles.

That means every black hole would absorb those particles and expand until destroying every galaxy......but that's not what is happening is it?:D

Try another forum. :p
 
tazanastazio said:
Nice picture; now perhaps you can explain why it is that you can see that green laser beam from all angles of view.
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Are you serious? :eek:

The laser light is hitting some oxygen atoms in the atmosphere. It is the oxygen radiating light waves (Rayleigh scattering). That's why you can't see laser light in a vacuum.

Do you know anything about science at all? :confused:
 
tazanastazio said:
This what I do know Cosmic Yak:

(Snipped endless navel-gazing pontification)


This is the most direct answer I can give as a finite being, of a finite intelligence, on the subject of the Infinite.
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Really? That's the most direct answer?
It doesn't answer my question at all!
I asked you how you could observe sub-atomic behaviour when no-one else could.
Your answer appears to be- to no-one's great surprise- "Because I say so, because I'm super and special and better than everyone else".
Care to try again?
How do you know what is happening at a subatomic level, when you claim it is impossible to do so?
 
tazanastazio said:
Because we do know something Craig.

While I do not know what is within the infinite microcosm, beyond the smallest thing I can imagine, I do know that there cannot be gaps, pockets, dots or even infinite minute areas of nothing, because there is existence; and there could not be existence, if any such nothing actually did exist. Also while I cannot fathom the infinte macrocosm, I know that it could not be otherwise, there could not be an infinite nothing within which everything else lingered. Now I have to apply this concept to every form of existence, not only matter but also energy and intelligence.

Also while it is not accurate to say that "the Infinite exists" nor that the "Infinite does not exist", we know of existence because we live within it. The Infinite is simply that, the Infinite!
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No, you're reasoning this (badly). That's not knowing.
 
Pixel42 said:
Common sense has proved to be a very poor guide to the nature of the universe. Most of modern physics is counterintuitive.
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The proven failure of "common sense" (really just another word for intuition) to reliably help us understand the physical world is precisely why we invented science. You can cynically say it arose out of desperation.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Are you serious? :eek:

The laser light is hitting some oxygen atoms in the atmosphere. It is the oxygen radiating light waves (Rayleigh scattering). That's why you can't see laser light in a vacuum.
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1st of all let's get something clear:

Light does not travel, and as such it is neither a particle nor a wave; only perhaps in the traditional sense. Think water waves and particle to particle interaction we see and understand as water waves or ripples. In terms of light:

As soon as a photon is generated for a brief amount of time, it in turn "energizes the particle next to it, and that particle the particle next to it, and so on in a wave fashion. Depending on the energy level of the original photon the appropriate particles get "energized" giving out the effect corresponding to the "wave" of the particular frequency, amplitude and wave length. The closer to the source the greater the effect, the more of this "lines" of chain effects/waves from the source our eyes (lenses) can detect (be affected by). A few light years away, and we can only detect perhaps a very few almost parallel lines/waves of chain particle energizing (minute distances between particles and therefore minute distance between the almost parallel lines of chain interaction of particles which energize each other in a wave fashion and we understand as the star/dot in the depths of the night sky - unless of course we use a telescope/lenses that reflect the wave and concentrate more of it in the lenses of our eyes).

Lasers are not seen in space, yet are seen on earth because the particular particles that could be "energized" by the already "in line/wave" particles which have already been energized by the source of the laser, are not present. Had engineers invented a laser source that could replicate all energy frequencies of white light, and managed to put a bunch of those frequencies with their matching amplitude,frequency and wavelength together; then a white light laser beam would be seen in space. But even if engineers could do that, because there would be some undetectable frequencies in white light which they would, as a result leave out, they would fail to achieve the desired effect; namely a white light, and therefore visible in space, laser beam.

The fact that the original photon from the source does not travel is the reason that while we have the wave effect, through the aforementioned chain/wave energizing of particles, while we have no particle of a mass, we still see the effect of light across space; yet we don't have momentum and the formula P=MV does not apply (no mass of a photon that never actually moved - neither does the photon acquire infinite mass as would a mass traveling light-speed according to relativity). We use instead the formula P=h/λ. Yet momentum here simply has no meaning since light doesn't actually move; other than perhaps in reference of time passed from the time the original particle from the source first appeared. The "h" then would not refer to the smallest distance a photon would theoretically travel, but the smallest theoretical distance between particles that would be energized by the energy level of a photon of a particular light source.

This is why in the double slit experiment light behaves as a wave, like sound would (also particle interacting with particle/energizing particle). Yet when attempting to detect the movement of "photons", the detectors detect only the momentarily energizing effect of one particle on another particle; as if seeing an instantaneous "picture", just like in a movie. Yet in this case the detectors do not see (detect) all the other pictures (photons/energizing of particles) because they don't exist anymore/yet - therefore we are left with the impression that there is no wave present; just one still, not a full scene from the whole movie. Also the interference effect is a result of already energized particles not being re-energized right away (re-energized - think of it as an "on-off" analogy in this case); the energized particles/accumulated energy, form energy fields which cause particles in the vicinity to not be fully energized/and not at all energized, causing the intermittent "interference" effect.

This theory also explains how radio waves travel through solid surfaces; they simply don't. Instead particles within the surfaces are energized as aforementioned in a chain/wave fashion. This is also why light, despite having no mass, is pulled by the gravitational force of a black hole. Not light itself (for the photons never moved far from the source), but the energized particles, along with all the particles that comprise that part of space pulled by the black hole.

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Matthew Ellard said:
If you had any common sense you would have realised the enormous hole in your hilarious "God is infinities" religion.

Your religion claims there is no empty space between stars, but an infinite number of particles.

That means every black hole would absorb those particles and expand until destroying every galaxy......but that's not what is happening is it?:D

Try another forum. :p
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The black hole does just that; funnels, particles (which comprise the "fabric" of the Universe) from one side of space to another; no need for it to expand to infinity, besides more particles are funneled in from another source (think in this case "manifold" areas within our universe). There is movement in space (gravitational currents, caused by black holes/"wormholes") almost every galaxy has a black hole in the middle of it, and every galaxy rotates. Now if the universe was completely empty then the galaxies would rotate in a Uniform fashion without areas seemingly lagging behind and appearing as if the galaxy was losing debris. Ice comets would not loose debris as they transcend areas in space, if space was empty (if no resistance - Newton's law).

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Pixel42 said:
Common sense says the Earth is flat, and the sun goes round the Earth.

Common sense has proved to be a very poor guide to the nature of the universe. Most of modern physics is counterintuitive.
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No, that was indoctrinated, implemented, coerced, forced on the burning stake "sense."

An example of common sense put to good use, would be when sailors realized that the masts of ships appeared first in the horizon before the whole ships did; leading them to reason, that the Earth was not flat. Common sense also lead Galileo Galilei, to not acknowledge the fact that the Earth is actually round, till before the time of his death.
 
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No "intuition" is the neural effect of thoughts on our hearts. Common sense is the cross referencing of information and the objective reasoning of that information (without being influenced by the status of the source; and taking into consideration interests involved).
 
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tazanastazio said:
Light does not travel, and as such it is neither a particle nor a wave
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The double slit photon experiment proves electromagnetic waves (visible light frequencies) is a wave. Polaroid glasses proves electromagnetic waves (visible light frequencies) is a wave. Lasers specifically make electromagnetic ( visible light frequencies) waves. Eyes have evolved specifically sized "cones" that match the size of visible light waves.

You simply can't comprehend the experiments and don't know how lasers or eyes work. :p


tazanastazio said:
As soon as a photon is generated for a brief amount of time, it in turn "energizes the particle next to it
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No and no such event has ever been recorded. You simply made up this BS claim :p


tazanastazio said:
The fact that the original photon from the source does not travel is the reason....
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The double slit experiment has interference pattern, specifically meaning the original photon (electromagnetic wave) causes the interference pattern. You just can't understand the experiment.:p
 
tazanastazio said:
The black hole does just that; funnels, particles (which comprise the "fabric" of the Universe) from one side of space to another
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No. A black hole curves space which causes enormous gravity. A black hole also attracts light due to curvature and that's why black holes are black. :eek:

You BS "God is infinity" claim is that there are no gaps in space and therefore all matter in the universe would be absorbed by and expanding black hole.

You really don't know any basic science. :p

Curved space causes gravity
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/einsteins-genius-changed-sciences-perception-gravity
 
You can survive without any knowledge of science, you can't survive without adequate common sense. What is more, you can google science, or search in the library; you can't learn easily common sense. Without common sense, you won't know what to look for and where, and how to process the information you find.
 
tazanastazio said:
This theory also explains how radio waves travel through solid surfaces; they simply don't. Instead particles within the surfaces are energized as aforementioned in a chain/wave fashion.
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This is hilarious rubbish. If little radio balls, as your religion claims, were bouncing off particles in a solid object the frequency would not remain intact across the wave and radio receivers would not receive the right frequency. ......yet in the real world that's exactly what happens.

You really don't know anything about the real world or science. :p
 
Matthew Ellard said:
No. A black hole curves space which causes enormous gravity. A black hole also attracts light due to curvature and that's why black holes are black. :eek:

You BS "God is infinity" claim is that there are no gaps in space and therefore all matter in the universe would be absorbed by and expanding black hole.

You really don't know any basic science. :p

Curved space causes gravity
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/einsteins-genius-changed-sciences-perception-gravity
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Perhaps you got to go over your "Event Horizon" information.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Really? That's the most direct answer?
It doesn't answer my question at all!
I asked you how you could observe sub-atomic behaviour when no-one else could.
Your answer appears to be- to no-one's great surprise- "Because I say so, because I'm super and special and better than everyone else".
Care to try again?
How do you know what is happening at a subatomic level, when you claim it is impossible to do so?
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No, I didn't say I could observe it. I said they must be there based on all the aforementioned considerations.
 
tazanastazio said:
1st of all let's get something clear:

Light does not travel, and as such it is neither a particle nor a wave
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Wow. Seriously, if one starts with a premise that is obviously flat out wrong, then the entire kettle of crazy can be summarily dismissed.

That crackpot notion does not simply deny actual science, or reality, it denies your own arguments. Or even existence. Good luck with that. Your ideas do not even reach the level of crank beliefs, you simply skip a step and bring those very ideas to the level of crackpottery.

Surely you cannot really believe such absurdities. "Light does not travel"? Then you are claiming that the sun does not exist. What fresh hell is this?
 
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