The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

[Matthew Ellard]

Trust me I do my own laughing! "A bee's brain evolved an innate (hard wired activity) to go to flowers."

Why?

because it is an evolutionary advantage for flowers to have bees carry pollen and the bees obtain a nutritional benefit. In science this is called mutualistic co-evolution.

Are you really that ignorant?

"Bees and flowering plants have a mutualistic relationship where both species benefit. Flowers provide bees with nectar and pollen, which worker bees collect to feed their entire colonies. Bees provide flowers with the means to reproduce, by spreading pollen from flower to flower in a process called pollination."
https://sciencing.com/do-flowers-bees-other-5796565.html

 

[tazanastazio]

"In the mid 1800s, Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell established that light is a form of electromagnetic energy that travels in waves. The question of how it manages to do so in the absence of a medium is explained by the nature of electromagnetic waves....."
https://sciencing.com/light-travel-4570255.html

Your worldly knowledge is 200 years behind current science.

Are you saying that you cannot explain it yourself, in simple words?

Try something like this: Electrons in helium atoms, jump between energy levels... as the photon starts bouncing between the energy zones, can't kick the habit and continues, having a mind of it's own, and still a hang over from all the initial bouncing, and bounces in a wavy motion for another billion light years; till it finally gets exhausted, from all that bouncing around and on objects, and all the gravitational pull and decides against its better notion to give it all up and commit suicide by diving in a black hole. Unless of course it gets lucky and dies in someones eye first and serve I greater purpose, or at least it is absorbed by a planet somewhere and contributes to its warmth and the sustaining of whatever life found on the given planet.

 

[tazanastazio]

because it is an evolutionary advantage for flowers to have bees carry pollen and the bees obtain a nutritional benefit. In science this is called mutualistic co-evolution.

Are you really that ignorant?

"Bees and flowering plants have a mutualistic relationship where both species benefit. Flowers provide bees with nectar and pollen, which worker bees collect to feed their entire colonies. Bees provide flowers with the means to reproduce, by spreading pollen from flower to flower in a process called pollination."
https://sciencing.com/do-flowers-bees-other-5796565.html

Why does that happen?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Are you saying that you cannot explain it yourself, in simple words?

Yes. And I linked you to the 200 years of experiments confirming that electromagnetic waves ( including the visible light spectrum) are waves.

Are you saying you don't understand even one of those experiments?

Is that why you can't even grasp why Polaroid glasses work or how radar works, or how cones in eyes evolved?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Why does that happen?

Are you really that ignorant?

If the bees can spread pollen and the pollen provides bees with more food......then the two species have an increased ability to propagate and increase their numbers as opposed to other non evolved common species.

This is really basic science.

 

[tazanastazio]

Yes. And I linked you to the 200 years of experiments confirming that electromagnetic waves ( including the visible light spectrum) are waves.

Are you saying you don't understand even one of those experiments?

Is that why you can't even grasp why Polaroid glasses work or how radar works, or how cones in eyes evolved?

Well, if you can't explain it, like I did, then I stick with my own explanation. The simple truth is, that you cannot explain what you don't know.

At least with the bee, you offered an explanation of how it does what it does and why. But you don't know why it evolved to do what it does, and did not evolve to do something else; and how the bee and the pollen arrived to such a mutual understanding and agreement.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Hurry up and answer my question about how your religion claims radar works without electromagnetic waves.....but rather, as you claim, "bouncing photon balls".

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Well, if you can't explain it, like I did, then I stick with my own explanation.

No I did explain exactly how electromagnetic waves work and all the evidence of 200 hundred years of experiments.

Every experiment for the last 200 years proves you bouncing photon balls religion is absolute crap.

That's why you cant nominate one experiment that supports your religion.

You don't know what a magnet is do you?

 

[tazanastazio]

No I did explain exactly how electromagnetic waves work and all the evidence of 200 hundred years of experiments.

Every experiment for the last 200 years proves you bouncing photon balls religion is absolute crap.

That's why you cant nominate one experiment that supports your religion.

You skimmed through again:

...With those examples in mind I was left with two choices:


1) Photon/energy particle bouncing between particles after it was slingshot in a straight course from the sun.

2) Electron jump within the atoms of the source (sun), causing the domino/chain energizing effect from particle to particle causing the wave effect (no further movement of original photons beyond the immediate vicinity of the source (sun)).

I chose the second, because it agrees with any observation so far, and "predicts" outcomes correctly.

You don't know what a magnet is do you?

Magnets polarize particles in the vicinity of the "magnetic field" polarizing in turn objects that enter said magnetic field.

 

[tazanastazio]

Hurry up and answer my question about how your religion claims radar works without electromagnetic waves.....but rather, as you claim, "bouncing photon balls".

I have already answered that here:

Just like our eyes and ears, radars "interpret" particle to particle domino/chain/"wave" effect that reaches them.

Your turn: How does light move?

 

[Pixel42]

Evolution, of course, is another case where "common sense" gives the wrong answer. For example, common sense says the bee/flower mutual dependency must be the result of conscious design when it's actually the result of entirely unconscious, undirected processes. Like the sun going round the earth, what seems obvious is just wrong.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I have already answered that here:

No. You don't seem to have a basic 12 year old's education in science.

You can't explain the primary school experiment, why iron filings on paper, over a magnet actually shows electromagnetic waves.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls) religion can't explain why two magnets have positive poles that repel, although that was known 200 years ago.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls) religion can't explain why Polaroid glasses filter out electromagnetic waves at certain angles.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls ) religion can't explain why RADAR waves bounce back from objects at a distance.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls ) religion, with infinite particles and no gaps, can explain why black holes don't, expand and absorb the entire universe.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls ) religion,can't explain how light travels through vacuums between stars.

Now that I know your education level. I can start explaining how electromagnetic waves work and show you the experiments that prove this.

In contrast, you can't show any experiment or any evidence for your hilarious "God is infinities" religion.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Evolution, of course, is another case where "common sense" gives the wrong answer. For example, common sense says the bee/flower mutual dependency must be the result of conscious design when it's actually the result of entirely unconscious, undirected processes. Like the sun going round the earth, what seems obvious is just wrong.

I think we should stick to basic physics, for the moment. Tananastazio is trying to change the subject to evolution to hide his previous posts on his bouncing photon ball religion. In essence, all his posts are about arguing for "god".

We can get to evolution later; for now I wonder why the cells of our ancestors did not put on the drawing board, wings; since it seems we found them to be quite useful; and took us quite the effort and sacrifice to finally be able to fly.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

How does light move?

Do you know what a magnet is?

Does a magnet have poles?

If I place two positive ends of two magnets together, do they repel?

If I place a positive and a negative end of two magnets together, do they attract?

Explain that using your bouncing photon ball religion.

 

[abaddon]

Well, if you can't explain it, like I did,

That is not what you demanded. You demanded an explanation using "simple words". The lexicon of genetics and evolution is by nature, not particularly simple.

then I stick with my own explanation.

Of course you do.

The simple truth is, that you cannot explain what you don't know.

Doesn't stop you from attempting to do that very thing.

At least with the bee, you offered an explanation of how it does what it does and why. But you don't know why it evolved to do what it does, and did not evolve to do something else;

And if the bee actually had evolved to do something else entirely, you would be here complaining that the bee had not evolved to pollinate flowers. That is unfalsifiable from the outset and thus invalid.

and how the bee and the pollen arrived to such a mutual understanding and agreement.

You confuse intent with outcome. Even my kids spot that one.

Do you really think bees and flowers were required to have a high level summit to thrash out some bizarre treaty? Really? Where is this Honey/Pollination treaty recorded?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

The simple truth is, that you cannot explain what you don't know.

Nope. I had to first work out your education level. You have just confirmed you don't even know what a magnet is and didn't know magnet have wave form magnetic fields and polarity.

Can you see the electromagnetic field generated by the magnet or does your "God is infinities" religion also deny that exists?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Hey tazanastazio?

You haven't shown us why the positive and negative poles of two magnets attract each other, using your "God is infinities" ("bouncing photon ball") religion.

Can you do that for us in your next post, so we can have another big laugh at your religious claim?

 

[Craig4]

1st of all let's get something clear:

Light does not travel, and as such it is neither a particle nor a wave; only perhaps in the traditional sense.
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This is not correct. We know light travels and we know the speed of light. Laser range finders would not work if light didn't travel. Light leaves a range finder, bounces of what you point it at and returns. The time that takes tells you how far the object is away. You can test this yourself. Laser range finders are for sale in most sporting goods stores that sell hunting or golf supplies (though I consider the use of such things in golf as cheating) for under $100. You can test this yourself.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

This is not correct.

Tananastazio believes the entire universe is packed with infinite little balls and a photon is just another little ball. He claims, if a photon ball hits one of the little balls on the sun, then magically there is a knock on effect with all the little balls between the sun and our eyes and the last ball makes a photon hit our eyes. Obviously this is a clearly insane belief and makes no sense.

I have posted several simple forms of evidence that prove this claim is complete crap, to see how funny his excuses will be. Here is another obvious problem.

The planets orbits the sun. If the entire vacuum of space were filled with tiny balls, then the planets would be slowed down by hitting all the tiny balls and the solar system would collapse into the sun.

Let's see what hilarious excuse Tananastazio comes up for this evidence.

 

[tazanastazio]

No. You don't seem to have a basic 12 year old's education in science.

You can't explain the primary school experiment, why iron filings on paper, over a magnet actually shows electromagnetic waves.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls) religion can't explain why two magnets have positive poles that repel, although that was known 200 years ago.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls) religion can't explain why Polaroid glasses filter out electromagnetic waves at certain angles.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls ) religion can't explain why RADAR waves bounce back from objects at a distance.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls ) religion, with infinite particles and no gaps, can explain why black holes don't, expand and absorb the entire universe.

Your "God is infinities" (bouncing photon balls ) religion,can't explain how light travels through vacuums between stars.

Now that I know your education level. I can start explaining how electromagnetic waves work and show you the experiments that prove this.

In contrast, you can't show any experiment or any evidence for your hilarious "God is infinities" religion.

I have explained ALL that, REPEATEDLY! I find it boring going over and over and over the same thing. It's time consuming, but I'll do it later again in case any new people reading this thread and skipping or skimming, have any doubts.

Nope. I had to first work out your education level. You have just confirmed you don't even know what a magnet is and didn't know magnet have wave form magnetic fields and polarity.

Can you see the electromagnetic field generated by the magnet or does your "God is infinities" religion also deny that exists?

I have already answered ALL your questions. I have said that "magnets" Polarized ferromagnetic metals, polarize in turn particles within the area called the "magnetic" field, which in turn polarizes materials entering that area of polarized particles called the "magnetic field."

You on the other hand, are dodging again my question. Simply you don't know what makes light move!

The particles are infinitely minute compared to planets stars and galaxies. When the whole infinite is comprised of such fluid particles, can you see a supersized submarine floating within the ocean? Why are you not stuck when scuba diving?

Think of this word "multiplication."

Could a single photon, generated by a single jump of an electron between energy levels, generate simultaneously "waves" so as to be seen by all angles of view on its own? Would electron jumps be enough to flood the Universe with light for billions of years? Even if the photons/waves are constantly reflected, they are also absorbed right?

Imagine though one single photon energizing simultaneously particles within the area surrounding it form every angle. "Multiplication" would do the trick, if you can do math.

Told you before, education means nothing without common sense; the other way around you stand a chance.

I'm sure there are many highly educated people here. Can you explain to them what makes light move and how the waves are generated? Why a photon is also a wave? Why after one single photon is generated, or a match is stricken alight in the dark, we get to see the flame from ALL angles of view? I explained it. My theory PREDICTS what would happen if a single photon is generated and why. It explains an infinite generation of waves from the generation of ONE single photon. My theory explains the double slit experiment paradox and the duality of light ( particle wave). It explains the movement of light. It explains radars (radars energize particles; when these particles reach particles of an object in the area, those particles affect particles back which reach the radar, which in turn cause the chain effect through electricity we see as an object on the radar screen). It explains why we see and hear (bouncing objects push particles in a rhythmical manner "waves" which in turn push the ear drums in our ears which our brains interpret as sound; similar action reaction effect with light). My theory explains black holes, movement in space, the reason galaxies appear as if they loose debris while they rotate due to being pulled by gravitation point (black whole); The reason objects move in space; What a black hole is (wormhole/funnel drawing and pushing particles that comprise the fabric of space - causing movement/currents within space; movement of planets which sustains temperature /electromagnetic energy on them - movement = existence; as opposed to stagnation/staleness/rust/mold/rot and clog). But above ALL my theory explains WHO/WHAT IS CAUSING IT AND WHY; and that is the part you loath the most.

What does your theory explain? You cannot even tell me how light moves, and how waves are generated. Do you even know what waves are? I HAVE PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION. I proved to you why photons do not increase to infinite mass (as per relativity - even though due to the infinite particles that comprise the "fabric" of space, any object going above a certain speed, not only would not increase in mass to Infinite, but it would burn instead and turn to ash and dust). So please don't worry about my education, but for your lack of putting common sense to good use; for whatever the reason.

You tell me that a bee and pollen got to some sort of mutual understanding due to probability due to an infinite amount of time. I tell you if the Earth was a bit closer to the sun we would not exist. I have told you in the past that for a Zebra to acquire its stripes (for "camo" purposes, heat regulation, tsetse fly avoidance scientists still debate over this one too), it had to know what the effect of such camouflage would be, unless through the "billinia" of trial and error it got it right; or just got stripes for no apparent reason other than being different. So, keep the bullflakes for those who are gullible enough to buy the Brooklyn Bridge (Golden gate, Tower or Sydney harbor, for that matter).