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The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

This concept also, makes more sense than photons/"packets" of electromagnetic energy traveling the vast distances of space on their own.
You have now reviewed the double slit photon experiment and discovered photons are indeed electromagnetic waves causing interference patterns.

That means

1) Your alternative claim that photons are little bouncing balls has been falsified by science.
2) You inability to replicate your claimed mathematics using the formula you provided yourself, also falsifies your claim,
3) That photon travel through gaps in ice molecule lattice structures falsifies your claim there is no such thing as gaps.

Your claim has now been falsified, three times, using science and mathematics and can now be thrown away as debunked.
 
....saying "I don't know" is actually an enormously valuable thing.

I used to watch Time Team, the UK archaeology show. When they found an object, that they didn't know what it was, they used to say "It's probably ritualistic". Then they stopped that nonsense and said "I don't know what it is" which meant other people kept researching the object. :)
 
I'll start with this statement, since it was clearer to me:







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If I was to allocate 100 points to the above choices, I would go about like this:

I scratch of choice "C) I don't know", because that choice automatically nullifies completely my chances to get the correct answer.

I scratched off choice D) initially because it was nullified by Hawking, and because in essence it is the same with choice A), depending how you see it; the Universe was always there as part of the infinite in one form or another; such as a singularity, or was formed by particles and it exists within the Infinite); Since choice D) is in essence the same with choice A), it is nullified in itself since it reads: "D) None of the above, something else happened."

I could allocate an equal amount of 50% to the other two answers, that's why I said at least 30-40%. Now based simply on the fact that from nothing, nothing happens, but we do have a Universe after all, I would take all the points from choice B), and allocate them to choice A), giving it at least 70 - 80%; but I personally would give that choice 100% based on all the considerations I have referred to so far in this thread.

No seriously, explain how the correct answer isn't "I don't know" when you are applying probabilities as what the correct multiple choice answer is when on of the possibilities is "I don't know".
 
You have now reviewed the double slit photon experiment and discovered photons are indeed electromagnetic waves causing interference patterns.

That means

1) Your alternative claim that photons are little bouncing balls has been falsified by science.
2) You inability to replicate your claimed mathematics using the formula you provided yourself, also falsifies your claim,
3) That photon travel through gaps in ice molecule lattice structures falsifies your claim there is no such thing as gaps.

Name one of these magic particles and your evidence for these magic unknown particles.:D


You can give them any name you like, in similar fashion to scientists naming unknown, invisible, unobservant,undetectable particles such as:

Quarks; up, down, charm,strange,top,bottom. Leptons; Electron, Electron Neutrino, Muon, Muon Neutrino, Tau, Tau neutrino. Bosons; Photon, W boson, Z boson, Gluon, Higgs boson. Hypothetical particles; Graviton, Neutralino, Chargino, Photino, Higgsino, Gluino, Gravitino, Sleptons, Sneutrino, Squarks, Dual graviton, Graviscalar, Graviphoton, Axion, Axino, Saxion, Branon, Dilaton, Dilatino, X and Y bosons, W' and Z' bosons, Inflaton, Magnetic photon, Majoron, Mjorana fermion, Chameleon. Mirror particles; Magnetic monopole, Tachyon, Preons, Kaluza–Klein towers of particles. Composite particles; Hadrons, Baryons, Mesons. Atomic Nuclei. Quasiparticles; Phonons (vibrational modes in a crystal lattice),Excitons (bound states of an electron and a hole), Plasmons, Polaritons, Polarons, Magnons. Other; Accelerons, Anyons, Plektons, WIMPs, GIMPs, Pomerons, Skyrmions, Genons, Goldstone bosons, Goldstinos, Instantons, Dyons, Geons, Inflatons, Spurions, True muoniums, Dislons, Tardyons or Bradyons, Luxons, Tachyons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_particles



You seem totally unaware photons have travelled 5 billion years, from suns, through the vacuum of space to be seen on earth? You did at least know that right? :p



If anything, the double slit experiment agrees with my claim! How do you explain that light, behaves BOTH as a wave and particles during the double slit experiment? How do you explain that photons "travel" in a wavy fashion and not in a straight line, after they were emitted from the suns?

Here is my understanding of it:

As the photons are passed / being generated from particle to particle, the whole chain of motion appears as a wave; depending on the size of the particles involved in the passing of the photons the corresponding frequency and amplitude of the radiation. Depending on the type of energy package/photon being passed along, the energy level or color of the radiation.

When the photons pass through the slits, they occupy areas without a certain level of energy already accumulated. Now check this out; energy accumulated is visible as light to an observer, which means the effect of the energy is returned from particle to particle within the area of view of the observer. Within the central area in which photons had occupied, the most energy is generated, forming bumps of energy; that is why photons skip those areas, and by landing on areas without energy on them, they create the intermittent light phenomenon (strips of light). Remember; due to particles around the area of the bumps, the bumps being formed by the photons occupying that area, there is a range affected by the energy of the photons (which have formed the bumps); causing the photons to skip that range and create the shadow part of the interference phenomenon.

So light is not actually a wave, it behaves as such because the movement of particles passing along/generating a photon, causes light to appear as such. Whereas sound is a phenomenon of an action of particles pushing other particles; there is no third object passed along/generated, as is the case with light. Therefore the particles are pushed on to the double slit wall in a domino/wavy manner; when some particles are pushed through the double slits, they in turn push further particles regenerating the wave and creating the interference effect on the second surface. You can call sound an "actual" wave, and light a "relativistic" wave (as in the claim by scientists that photons have no mass and yet they do have "relativistic" mass - pun intended).

How "hilarious" do you find the actual claim by "bona fide" scientist that the photons seem to be aware that they are observed and that is why when they place detectors to see which slit the photons went through the interference pattern does not appear?

The detectors themselves interact with the photons through waves (interacting particles); and such interaction, absorption of the energy package perhaps by rays from the detectors/particles interacting with energy emitted from the detectors; nullifies the effect since the photons never actually land on the second surface while they are affected by the action of the detectors.

What is more, my particle interaction theory explains also magnetic fields; a polarized object also polarizes particles within a range which in turn polarize particles of visible objects within the range, causing what we understand as the phenomenon of magnetism. Perhaps smaller particles are easier to polarize and that is why magnets are slightly stronger in vacuum and in cold temperatures.

Your claim has now been falsified, three times, using science and mathematics and can now be thrown away as debunked.

You keep on claiming that, and I keep on proving you wrong.
 
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You say that no-one knows what happens at a sub-atomic level.....

...and then go on to say that you actually do know what happens between the gaps, which is that they get filled by 'smaller particles and energy'.

How do you know this? Some might point to this as another obvious contradiction in your thinking.

Then, you go on to say that, not only do you know what happens to something no-one can see, you also know how it happens:



You do the same thing again here:



How do you know this?

This what I do know Cosmic Yak:

What to us appears as a distance of a foot, a yard or a meter, can be divided infinitely into units. I know for sure that I am observing the observable reality and based on my observations I form patterns and attempt to imagine what is beyond the observable reality. I attempt to comprehend and further conceive the objective reality, realising that the whole "actual" reality will never be fully understood by a finite intelligence.

I realize that what I view as reality is in fact comprised of particles forming and deforming. Now I reach a point which leaves me with a single choice: Either "Nothing", or "Something" comprised the building blocks/ the forming particles of everything. I choose "something" because based on the patterns I formed from observing my observable reality, and realizing the particles that have actually formed it; I conclude that something cannot derive from nothing and if I have something, which we do, it can only derive from an infinite chain of formation-deformation and action-reaction. I also conclude that there cannot be any such thing as actual "nothing", because then we would not have the infinite formation - deformation, action-reaction phenomenon; because such a phenomenon would have to apply in all cases and aspects of formation-deformation. If there were gaps within the Infinite; there would need to be points/areas of beginning and areas of ending. Everything has to be formed from something else and be deformed/dissolved into something else; be disposed of somewhere. Which leads me to the conclusion, that nothing and the zero that symbolizes it, are the point/stage as far into the microcosm, as we can actually observe or imagine; the negative can also denote the point within the microcosm beyond what we cannot yet observe or imagine (depending on the range of observation set; we can say either that we are approaching a zero infinitely or negative infinity beyond that zero, since zero as I said before does not actually exist). At the end I reach the only conclusion that is available; there are no gaps, but Matter, Energy and yes Intelligence interchange forms extending infinitely within the microcosm and the macrocosm from every perspective. How do I know that? The other alternative of the existence of a "nothing" out of which something came to be, does not make sense because it is contradicted, defied and therefore debunked by any observable pattern within both our objective and subjective reality.

The Infinite is not a set. The Infinite has no size. There is no distance, no time, no movement, no dimensions and no gaps for the Infinite. The Infinite does not "exist" and it does "exist"; since existence is a set within the Infinite, and since the Infinite is not a set or a unit - it had no beginning and will never have any end, gaps or ending points. The Infinite is the "1" the (-), the (+), the (0) and the whole, the "everything" and the "nothing" all at any given, same, infinite minute instance. Energy, intelligence and matter are infinite; and the Infinite is all Energy, all Intelligence and all Matter.

Please directly answer Cosmic Yak's question.

This is the most direct answer I can give as a finite being, of a finite intelligence, on the subject of the Infinite.

I guess the choice is really whether it makes more sense to you, to believe that everything we can observe or imagine; came out of an absolute, total, dimensionless, utter nothing; or whether it extends from every perspective both inwards the Microcosm, and outwards the Macrocosm to Infinity.
 
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How does, "We don't know" not make sense to you in this context?

Because we do know something Craig.

While I do not know what is within the infinite microcosm, beyond the smallest thing I can imagine, I do know that there cannot be gaps, pockets, dots or even infinite minute areas of nothing, because there is existence; and there could not be existence, if any such nothing actually did exist. Also while I cannot fathom the infinte macrocosm, I know that it could not be otherwise, there could not be an infinite nothing within which everything else lingered. Now I have to apply this concept to every form of existence, not only matter but also energy and intelligence.

Also while it is not accurate to say that "the Infinite exists" nor that the "Infinite does not exist", we know of existence because we live within it. The Infinite is simply that, the Infinite!
 
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Because we do know something Craig.

While I do not know what is within the infinite microcosm, beyond the smallest thing I can imagine, I do know that there cannot be gaps, pockets, dots or even infinite minute areas of nothing, because there is existence; and there could not be existence, if any such nothing actually did exist. Also while I cannot fathom the infinte macrocosm, I know that it could not be otherwise, there could not be an infinite nothing within which everything else lingered. Now I have to apply this concept to every form of existence, not only matter but also energy and intelligence.

Also while it is not accurate to say that "the Infinite exists" nor that the "Infinite does not exist", we know of existence because we live within it. The Infinite is simply that, the Infinite!

That’s a lot of words to say “I don’t know”.
 
You keep on claiming that, and I keep on proving you wrong.

No. You are delusional again. You directly stated that photons were not dual wave electromagnetic functions and claimed they were tiny particles bouncing off things.

I then told you to review the double slit photon experiment which proves photons are dual wave electromagnetic functions. That's why we can see the interference lines.

You ran away for three days. You are now pretending you forgot this.
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I do know that there cannot be gaps, pockets, dots or even infinite minute areas of nothing, because there is existence;
How do photons travels through water ice molecular latices unless there are gaps?

Did you forget again?
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If anything, the double slit experiment agrees with my claim!
No, it destroys your claim photons are little balls bouncing off particles. Explain the interference pattern in the experiment using you "God is infinity" claim

How do you explain that light, behaves BOTH as a wave and particles during the double slit experiment?
Quantum mechanics....which is what the whole experiment is about in the link I provided to you.

Did you know scientists in 2019 were able to obtain the same interference pattern with 2,000 atom molecules, further destroying your "God is Infinity" religious claim.
:D
 
So light is not actually a wave, it behaves as such because the movement of particles passing along a photon, causes light to appear as such.
You seem totally unaware that light (photon electromagnetic waves) have frequencies. Tell us how your "photons are little bouncing balls" claim allows the light waves to have frequencies?

Red light has a wavelength of ~700 nm, and a frequency of ~4.3*1014 Hz

Let me help you with this new and complex word.. "frequency"
:p

Wave frequency is the number of waves that pass a fixed point in a given amount of time.
https://www.ck12.org/physics/wave-frequency/lesson/Wave-Frequency-MS-PS/
 
How "hilarious" do you find the actual claim by "bona fide" scientist that the photons seem to be aware that they are observed
No scientist says that. A electromagnetic wave collapses when it is measured. I have to interfere with the wave to test if it there. That's the whole point of quantum mechanics. :p
 
What to us appears as a distance of a foot, a yard or a meter, can be divided infinitely into units.

No. You are pretending to forget Plank's constant again.

The Planck constant, or Planck's constant, is a physical constant that is the quantum of electromagnetic action, which relates the energy carried by a photon to its frequency. A photon's energy is equal to its frequency multiplied by the Planck constant..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant

This is because you deny photons (light waves) have frequency and religiously claim they are small little physical balls that bounce off things.:p
 
You seem totally unaware that light (photon electromagnetic waves) have frequencies. Tell us how your "photons are little bouncing balls" claim allows the light waves to have frequencies?

Red light has a wavelength of ~700 nm, and a frequency of ~4.3*1014 Hz

Let me help you with this new and complex word.. "frequency"
:p

Wave frequency is the number of waves that pass a fixed point in a given amount of time.
https://www.ck12.org/physics/wave-frequency/lesson/Wave-Frequency-MS-PS/

I have already explained it here:

"As the photons are passed / being generated from particle to particle, the whole chain of motion appears as a wave; depending on the size of the particles involved in the passing of the photons the corresponding frequency and amplitude of the radiation. Depending on the type of energy package/photon being passed along, the energy level or color of the radiation."
 
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No scientist says that. A electromagnetic wave collapses

No scientist says that. A electromagnetic wave collapses when it is measured. I have to interfere with the wave to test if it there. That's the whole point of quantum mechanics. :p


That's what I said here:

"The detectors themselves interact with the photons through waves (interacting particles); and such interaction, absorption of the energy package perhaps by rays from the detectors/particles interacting with energy emitted from the detectors; nullifies the effect since the photons never actually land on the second surface while they are affected by the action of the detectors."
 
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No, it destroys your claim photons are little balls bouncing off particles. Explain the interference pattern in the experiment using you "God is infinity" claim
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I've already did that in my previous post; extensively, directly and as clear as possibly.

Quantum mechanics....which is what the whole experiment is about in the link I provided to you.

That's not an explanation; and the experiment did not provide an answer but simply proved that light even though it is made of photons/packages of energy, it behaves as a wave; as it was shown by the experiment, since it produces an Interference pattern. Leaving us with the question, "why?" I believe I answered that adequately.

Did you know scientists in 2019 were able to obtain the same interference pattern with 2,000 atom molecules, further destroying your "God is Infinity" religious claim.
:D

You have a funny way of linking every experiment in the world with the conclusion that it "debunks" Infinitism. I could prove actually the opposite, namely that they validate infinitism instead; but it is really time consuming. It would help, if you'd always provided a brief yet concise and consitent to your statement, explanation.

Electrons, atoms and small molecules have been shown to behave as waves, but that does not mean they are. They are particles, not waves. They simply seem to behave as waves due to their interaction with each other.

You still haven't answered why photons do not "travel" from the "suns" in a straight line but in waves. Not only that, even though they "travel" as waves/rays from the sun, those rays are visible from every angle of view.
 
I have already explained it here:

"As the photons are passed / being generated from particle to particle, the whole chain of motion appears as a wave
According to your "God is infinity" religion...... how can a particle on its own, appear as a wave. :confused:

Your claim makes no sense at all.
:p
 

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