The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

[Matthew Ellard]

"The Infinite has no gaps.

Why does water ice float on liquid water?

Science proves that water freezes into a crystalline structure, increasing the gaps between H2O molecule nuclei. Therefore it is less dense than liquid water.

Your "god is infinity" religion claims there are no gaps anywhere and therefore should be neutral in buoyancy as the same amount of H2O molecules.

Therefore your "God is infinity" religion is completely flawed and makes no sense.

 

[tazanastazio]

Why does water ice float on liquid water?

The Hydrogen and the Oxygen molecules change structure due to the lower temperature; still we don't know what happens to the subatomic level between the "gaps," since we cannot see anything smaller than an atom even with the best electron microscopes. We just simply say, ice is less denser than water; but we cannot say what fills the newly emerging "gaps"; which is smaller particles and energy.

Science proves that water freezes into a crystalline structure, increasing the gaps between H2O molecule nuclei. Therefore it is less dense than liquid water. [/COLOR]

Your "god is infinity" religion claims there are no gaps anywhere and therefore should be neutral in buoyancy as the same amount of H2O molecules.

So molecules of Hydrogen and Oxygen reform their structure according to temperature, how does that prove anything if it does not show what happens to a lower than the atom level, as in between the gaps that hydrogen and Oxygen form; since we cannot see with the best of the electron microscopes available, anything smaller than an atom? The newly emerging "gaps" of the ice structure are simply bigger chambers for the smaller particles and energy to fill, in contrast to the "gaps" of the water which are simply smaller chambers filled by smaller particles and energy.

Therefore your "God is infinity" religion is completely flawed and makes no sense.

It is not a religion, it is a philosophy; perhaps it does not make sense to you, that doesn't make it flawed.

No. That is obviously complete crap. How can a photon travel through crystalline structures like glass unless there were gaps between the atoms.

Are you saying you never thought that far? That's hilarious

Last time you went swimming, did you have to go through the gaps in the water to move? Think of it as smaller particles within the gaps of bigger particles, infinitely smaller as far as we can calculate, and energy in between. The Infinite has no gaps; you cannot simply have an absolute, utter nothing.

For the 100th time. We keep telling you and you keep forgetting on purpose....what is Planck's constant. Is it endlessly smaller little balls bouncing against each other, as your religion claims?

No the smaller balls and the energy in between simply get out of the photon's way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant

Tell us how your "God is infinity" religion explains a rainbow?

Just like with a prism, the passing of the photons is delayed by the molecules of a cloud which is denser than air, each of the photons energy level/frequency is then split to the frequency corresponding to the various colors in the spectrum. Again that doesn't mean that the "gaps" of the less dense air are not filled with particles and energy.

Name one thing your "God is infinity" religion, with endless smaller balls upon balls actually predicts.......one thing.....

The purpose of Infinitism is not to "predict" anything, neither to explain everything; one of the goals of Infinitism is to provide more satisfactory explanations on some phenomena; such as what causes the bonds between subatomic particles, or what comprises a magnetic field, or how does light reach our eyes and sound our ears; as opposed to theories that support the notion that everything formed from "nothing", found itself in "nothing" and is interacting through "nothing."

From the original:

"If "nothing" did exist, if even infinitely minute space of nothing truly existed, there would be no Infinite; since there would be limits/borders within it. Which means that the only seemingly infinite, had beginnings and endings. Yet existence, or particles and objects forming everything within the Infinite cannot form/evolve out of nothing. Therefore, nothing cannot exist at all and definitely cannot extend beyond the Infinite, for the Infinite to exist, and for everything else to exist within the Infinite. Yet, if "nothing" does not exists, what then explains space for fluidity within the Infinite? Could there be an Infinite Nothing within an Infinite Everything, how could that be possible when the existence of the one, would nullify the existence of the other? Surely there always has to be something for something else to form from, and there always has to be something for something else to be de-formed ( destroyed, be disposed of) into."

 

[tazanastazio]

For the 100th time. We keep telling you and you keep forgetting on purpose....what is Planck's constant. Is it endlessly smaller little balls bouncing against each other, as your religion claims?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant

Tell us how your "God is infinity" religion explains a rainbow?

Now, on your part, perhaps you can explain why photons travel in a wavy manner; as opposed through the closest route between two points, namely a straight line

 

[The Norseman]

"The Tao is infinite, eternal.
Why is it eternal?
It was never born;
thus it can never die.
Why is it infinite?
It has no desires for itself;
thus it is present for all beings."

Lao Tzu

Yes, exactly. Much better, cleaner, and accessible than your stuff.

Infinitism takes in consideration all principles and viewpoints; example modern scientific ideas, such as relativity and evolution; along with more modern to Taoism religious and philosophic concepts.

So does Taoism but better than what you've come up with mainly because they didn't think to apply a veneer of scientism to their concepts as you're attempting to do by feverishly throwing everything you can imagine into your stew of ideas, apparently thinking that it'd make it even grander than everything which came before. Such as....

Perhaps if Taoism had emerged "a few thousand years" later it would have been called "Infinitism."

lol

Nah brah. Lao Tzu et al were eons ahead of where you're at. First, you have to be coherent. Let's start with those baby steps!

 

[Matthew Ellard]

tazanastazio can't explain ice

The Hydrogen and the Oxygen molecules change structure due to the lower temperature; still we don't know what happens to the subatomic level between the "gaps,"

Photons can travel between the molecules. That's why ice is clear. You really didn't think that through?

Your "God is Infinity" religion claims that there are no gaps anywhere. Yet you can see photons going through the gaps of ice and you know the gaps increase when H2O freezes into an expanded crystalline structure

It is not a religion, it is a philosophy; perhaps it does not make sense to you, that doesn't make it flawed.

Your "God of infinity" religion is complete religious nonsense which doesn't even match the real world. I just showed you evidence of gaps, so you are simply in denial.


tazanastazio can't explain rainbows

There are no gaps

Just like with a prism, the passing of the photons is delayed .....

I tricked you again. You just agreed that photons pass through gaps......meaning there real universe has gaps and your "God of Infinities" religion, which claims there is no such thing as gaps.....is complete rubbish.

I suggest you go away and try write a coherent religion that doesn't contradict itself next time.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

explain why photons travel in a wavy manner; as opposed through the closest route between two points, namely a straight line.

Electromagnetic frequencies defined by the electron emitting the photon. That's why you see photons at 405–480 THz frequency as "red".

A photon is a quantum package and not a little ball. You did at least, know that.... right?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Infinitism should not only be accepted as a legitimate philosophy but as a..scientifically undisputed theory.

A scientific theory makes predictions.

The purpose of Infinitism is not to "predict" anything, neither to explain everything;

You changed your mind again and admit your "God of infinities" religion can't predict or explain anything.

Go away and try write a coherent religion next time.

 

[tazanastazio]

[B]tazanastazio can't explain ice[/B]
Photons can travel between the molecules. That's why ice is clear. You really didn't think that through?

Your "God is Infinity" religion claims that there are no gaps anywhere. Yet you can see photons going through the gaps of ice and you know the gaps increase when H2O freezes into an expanded crystalline structure


Your "God of infinity" religion is complete religious nonsense which doesn't even match the real world. I just showed you evidence of gaps, so you are simply in denial.


tazanastazio can't explain rainbows
I tricked you again. You just agreed that photons pass through gaps......meaning there real universe has gaps and your "God of Infinities" religion, which claims there is no such thing as gaps.....is complete rubbish.

I suggest you go away and try write a coherent religion that doesn't contradict itself next time.

No contradiction whatsoever! You just tricked yourself in thinking that you tricked me, or you just repeat it to make it be believed; like with the "religion" mantra, when I have stated so many times that Infinitism is a philosophy not a religion, and I have provided a link that depicts clearly the difference between the two.

The are no gaps since whatever space is not occupied, is energy, or is occupied by smaller particles on which the photons simply crush, pushing them out of the way and make their way through or around them as they follow their wavy path (passed along or generated by particles; particles perhaps of a particular size depending on the energy level left on the quantum particles/photons, which is seen as a wave of a particular frequency and amplitude.

 

[tazanastazio]

Electromagnetic frequencies defined by the electron emitting the photon. That's why you see photons at 405–480 THz frequency as "red".

A photon is a quantum package and not a little ball. You did at least, know that.... right?

Actually I tricked you here, you just stated that the movement of photons (or the quantum particles/"smaller particles" that comprise the photons) is not happening because the photons move on their own; photons are instead emitted from particle to particle or transferred from particle to particle; which explains the wavy motion. It is possible that particular particles are involved in transferring photons of the particular energy left. Perhaps quantum packages minus a few particles means a particular energy level which is seen as a particular color of the spectrum; also perhaps quantum packages of particular energy level/photons of particular energy level, are transferred by particular particles which is in turn seen as a wave of particular frequency or amplitude; which explains the prism/rainbow effect.

 

[tazanastazio]

A scientific theory makes predictions.

You changed your mind again and admit your "God of infinities" religion can't predict or explain anything.

Go away and try write a coherent religion next time.

"Predictions" are for "seers."

Read again:

The purpose of Infinitism is not to "predict" anything, neither to explain everything; one of the goals of Infinitism is to provide more satisfactory explanations on some phenomena; such as what causes the bonds between subatomic particles, or what comprises a magnetic field, or how does light reach our eyes and sound our ears; as opposed to theories that support the notion that everything formed from "nothing", found itself in "nothing" and is interacting through "nothing."

But if you insist, here is a prediction: The Infinite whih always was, and is; will always be, and manifest itself in infinite ways.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

No contradiction whatsoever!

No. You directly claimed there are no such thing as "gaps" in your "God is infinity" religion and simultaneously agree there are gaps to allow photons to pass through.

You shot your own "God is Infinity" religion down as a load of hilarious contradictions

 

[Matthew Ellard]

.....photons are instead emitted from particle to particle or transferred from particle to particle; which explains the wavy motion.

No, That is just hilarious and insane. How does a proton, for example "transfer" a photon? A photon is a quantum package emitted when an electron returns to a lower energy orbit.

It is not a little ball bouncing off all particles in a "wavy" manner, as you claim

You don't actually know what a photon is do you?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Read again

I am. That's why I am laughing at you.

Two days ago you claimed your "God of Infinities" religion was a scientific theory. When I pointed out scientific theories have to predict things, you immediately backed down and claimed it was "philosophy". Today you are back to your insane claim it science theory.

... should not only be accepted as a legitimate philosophy but as a..scientifically undisputed theory.

The purpose of Infinitism is not to "predict" anything, neither to explain everything

one of the goals of Infinitism is to provide more satisfactory explanations on some phenomena; such as what causes the bonds between subatomic particles, or what comprises a magnetic field.

See. Your silly contradicting "God of Infinities" religion cannot predict anything and is simply a mess of incoherent sentences.You claimed there were no such thing as gaps but cant explain why ice floats. You still claim photons are little bouncing balls that have wavy paths from bouncing on things

 

[Matthew Ellard]

......whatever space is not occupied, is energy, or is occupied by smaller particles on which the photons simply crush, pushing them out of the way and make their way through or around them as they follow their wavy path

Can you name some of these "particles" that photons "crush" or "push out of their way" on their "wavy path"?

(I say it again : You really don't have a clue what a photon is do you? )

 

[tazanastazio]

Can you name some of these "particles" that photons "crush" or "push out of their way" on their "wavy path"?

(I say it again : You really don't have a clue what a photon is do you? )

It is a hypothesis really, think about it; photon/energy is absorbed by a particle, inducing an electron jump generating a new photon/energy; which is absorbed by another particle, and so on.

Or,

photons are passed on from particle to particle.

Via this wavy motion photons make their way through space and gaps between particles. The space between particles is occupied by smaller particles which are not cemented/glued together, but are fluid (think of air and water). Beyond the infinite minute level (as far as we can calculate) we get from matter to energy; this is what comprises the fabric of space, the "void" and the Infinite. It is not solid, it is fluid. This is not a hard to discern concept, really; not as hard as an absolute "nothing" from which everything else has sprang, or through which everything else interacts, anyway.

This concept also, makes more sense than photons/"packets" of electromagnetic energy traveling the vast distances of space on their own.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

It is a hypothesis really

No. You don't know what a photon is and you don't know any of the experiments confirming the nature of photons.

photons are passed on from particle to particle.

No. That is hilarious. Photons are not little balls passed from particle to particle.

What do you think the mass of a photon wave packet is?

Via this wavy motion photons make their way through space and gaps between particles.

You previously claimed there were no gaps. So you now debunk your own claim.

The space between particles is occupied by smaller particles which are not cemented/glued together,

Name one of these magic particles and your evidence for these magic unknown particles.

This concept also, makes more sense than photons/"packets" of electromagnetic energy traveling the vast distances of space on their own.

You seem totally unaware photons have travelled 5 billion years, from suns, through the vacuum of space to be seen on earth? You did at least know that right?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

photons are passed on from particle to particle.

Explain the photon double split experiment using your "God is infinities" religion and your bouncing photons being passed back and forth.

Your explanation will be hilarious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Some of you admit that you simply "don't know." Suppose therefore, that I am right. How do you expect from me to prove it? You would not believe ANY proof whatsoever. Suppose the Infinite itself wanted to make it's presence clear. What kind of evidence would suffice for you? Would you accept a "messenger", a "messiah" who performed extraordinary deeds in front of you? Or would you rationalize such a personality as some alien force with technology much more advanced than our own, who perhaps it had the power to manipulate our brain cell interaction to make a deed appear as a miracle? How would you expect for the Infinite to make such a clear and indisputable manifestation to suffice for you to accept it's "existence?"

Even if you were to pass on to another such existence, still you would doubt the Infinite, by saying that you are simply crossing a pre-stage prior to your death. Which brings to mind, is there such thing as a soul and a consciousness? Regardless if there is such thing as an after life or not; just because everything is finite,it does not mean that there is no Infinite. On the contrary, there cannot be such thing as finite, if there is no such thing as In-finite. It is on YOU who support the contrary, to prove mathematically, scientifically or otherwise; that the contrary to my statement, namely that "there cannot be a finite without the In-finite"; which you support, is the case!

Perhaps there is no such thing as a soul, but the interaction of neural cells, similar to a CPU function, or a Morse code which delivers a message; all powered by induced from conception electrical energy, which causes a heart to beat and pump and circulate blood; with two functionalities, a conscious and a subconscious. Perhaps there is no such a "zip" type of memory cell that could be taken by a functioning entity, as religions would have the faithful and hopeful believe, which would further be induced to an after-life type of existence, which would serve another purpose within the Infinite. All we have is what is left to us from religion, and those "messengers" who have created said religion. Christians believe in the after life, because they believe in Christ; of whom it was said that certain extraordinary happenings took place just to prove that point. If that too was a true fact, what would it take for you to believe in it? There was nothing that would convince you. Nothing whatsoever even if all the philosophers and other personages of antiquity and those of modern times, along with the most prestigious scientists of the near past, walked the Earth again just to preach the point! You would still believe that some alien, technologically advanced force was messing with your mind, in a similar function to dolphins and whales communicating with sonar, from far off distances! Am I wrong?

To state that I am unable or unwilling to be convinced by any kind of evidence is a determination you should make after you have presented some evidence, not before.
I also decline your attempt to shift the burden of proof. You have posited the existence of something you call "the Infinite": it is for you to show that this is in fact the case.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The Hydrogen and the Oxygen molecules change structure due to the lower temperature; still we don't know what happens to the subatomic level between the "gaps," since we cannot see anything smaller than an atom even with the best electron microscopes.

You say that no-one knows what happens at a sub-atomic level.....

We just simply say, ice is less denser than water; but we cannot say what fills the newly emerging "gaps"; which is smaller particles and energy.

...and then go on to say that you actually do know what happens between the gaps, which is that they get filled by 'smaller particles and energy'.

How do you know this? Some might point to this as another obvious contradiction in your thinking.

Then, you go on to say that, not only do you know what happens to something no-one can see, you also know how it happens:

No the smaller balls and the energy in between simply get out of the photon's way.

You do the same thing again here:

The are no gaps since whatever space is not occupied, is energy, or is occupied by smaller particles on which the photons simply crush, pushing them out of the way and make their way through or around them as they follow their wavy path (passed along or generated by particles; particles perhaps of a particular size depending on the energy level left on the quantum particles/photons, which is seen as a wave of a particular frequency and amplitude.

How do you know this?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

How do you know this?

Please directly answer Cosmic Yak's question.