Question about Memory Storages?

[Mercutio]

Tinkertoys.

Kumar, I can make memory that works just like computer memory with tinkertoys.

Wooden tinkertoys.

The Boston Science Museum has one of those...

 

[MRC_Hans]

I can't say about whole circuit, but few things are there. Hydrogen(doubtful semiconductor) in water, carbon in alcohol/lactose, silicon in contaminations, energy applied during potentization process, body heat on application of remedies, incident lights from surroundings, & active substances as doping materials are there. I can't say, whether these aspects can create some memory storage?

Maybe you can't, but I can, and the answer is very definitely and absolutely: No.

Go back and this time actually READ my post early in this thread where I explain how electronic memories function.

They are an array of switches, arranged in a binary fashion. It doesn't matter one iota if there is some semiconductor property in some part of the preparation of a homeopathic remedy (and there isn't). It will no more make a memory than a heap of brick will make a house.

Semiconductors are one material from which we can construct memory circuits, but you can have a whole bucket full of excellent semiconductors, and unless they are connected in exactly the right way, they won't be able to remember a single bit, literally.

Kumar, of all the daft ideas you have come up with, this one is the silliest. Now, try to be just a little bit sensible, and forget about it.

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Mr. Hans, Donks,

Thanks, you explained a lot. But pls just tell; suppose we take silica/silicon or carbon. We then dope either n or p type of doping or add some impurities. Now we apply heat say 98.4F (body tempreture) to one side of any of these material. What will it show on output side? (I think silica require 125 degree C to conduct, but doped material can conduct at much lesser temp.

 

[Donks]

Mr. Hans, Donks,

Thanks, you explained a lot. But pls just tell; suppose we take silica/silicon or carbon. We then dope either n or p type of doping or add some impurities. Now we apply heat say 98.4F (body tempreture) to one side of any of these material. What will it show on output side? (I think silica require 125 degree C to conduct, but doped material can conduct at much lesser temp.

I knew it!
You don't bother reading what anyone else posts.

 

[Kumar]

I knew it!
You don't bother reading what anyone else posts.

No, I want to understand it in most simple way--if doping happens during potentization process, it continue in all potencies or not & what can be output just to these doped materials by input of body heat/ light to these?

 

[Donks]

No, I want to understand it in most simple way--if doping happens during potentization process, it continue in all potencies or not & what can be output just to these doped materials by input of body heat/ light to these?

Doping does not happen during protentization process.
If it did, it would not continue after diluting.

 

[Kumar]

Doping does not happen during protentization process.
If it did, it would not continue after diluting.

You mean, chemical impurity (dopant) added into the crystal structure of a semiconductor (to modify its electrical properties), should always remain present in its elemental/molecular form to consder it doped material?

 

[Donks]

You mean, chemical impurity (dopant) added into the crystal structure of a semiconductor (to modify its electrical properties), should always remain present in its elemental/molecular form to consder it doped material?

"Elemental/molecular form"? Whatever that is, no. It has to remain present.
And it helps if the substrate you're doping is a semiconductor, and not, you know, water.

 

[Kumar]

Donks, ok thanks. Let us try some other concept.

The total energy of an electron is given by its momentum and its potential energy. To move an electron from the conduction band to the valence band, it may need to undergo a change in potential energy and a change in momentum. There are two basic material types, in-direct and direct band gap materials. In an indirect bang gap material, such as silicon, shown in figure 3. To move into the valence band, the electron must undergo a change in momentum and energy [1]. The chance of this event is small. Typically this process is achieved in several steps. The electron will first move to a trap site in the forbidden band before moving into the valence band. A change in potential energy will result in the release of a photon, while a change in momentum will produce a phonon. A phonon being a mechanical vibration which heats the crystal lattice.

I have previously mentioned above quote. What is potencial energy as mentioned?

 

[Donks]

Donks, ok thanks. Let us try some other concept.

Oh crap.

I have previously mentioned above quote. What is potencial energy as mentioned?

The potential energy of an electron works as follows:
1) Take the nucleus of an atom.
2) Take an elecron.
3) Put them very far apart. (At an infinite distance, even). Call that distance 'i'.
4) Call that energy level "0".
5) Get the electron closer to the nucleus, to distance "x".
6) The energy required to take the electron from distance "x" back to distance "i" is the potential energy.

So what you have for potential energy is a negative number, such that:
0 (energy at "i") = PE (potential energy of the electron) + Pxi (Energy required to take the electron form x to i).

I have a feeling this won't be the last I hear of this subject.

 

[clarsct]

Did you not pass high school physics?

Potential energy is the energy something has by virtue of being on the high end of a gradient.

An electron in the higher energy shell than normal has potential energy. When it drops back down into the unexcited state, it emits a photon. This is usually known as fluorescence. Atoms will absorb light of one wavelength and emit light of a different wavelength. This is how Day-Glo paint works. It looks so bright because it absorbs a photon striking the painted surface, which causes an electron to become excited and jump to a higher energy state. At this point, it is at the end of a gradient. In very, very oversimplified terms, it was pushed to the top of a hill. This is an unstable situation. Eventually, the electron reverts back to its ground state. When it does so, it emits a photon of lesser energy. The pigment in Day Glo paint emits at a very specific frequency that corresponds to a visible color. It is so bright because it is actually emitting light. (Well, re-emitting, for those technical types)

This example happens to involve visible light, but some substances will react with different parts of the spectrum.

These changes are changes in potential energy. When the original photon of light strikes the paint, it adds energy to the system. When the energy is at the proper wavelength, it can excite an electron to a higher shell. At this shell, it has a higher potential energy. My quantum mechanics is a touch rusty, maybe someone else can fill this in better, Hans seems to have a good grasp of physics, and I suspect Donks might be an Electrical Engineer, but I may be wrong on that point.

My main question is why are you asking this about a research paper that you obviously do not understand. I've studied chemistry, but I had to do some research on what kind of physics they were discussing. Even then, it went well beyond what I needed to learn in chemistry. From what I could gather of the material, it seems this is relating to .....wait a second.....

I' m seeing a heat-silica connection coming. *shakes his head*

*sigh* Just spit your theory out so we can show you where the holes are. Either that, or stop trying to ask oblique question and trying to glean enough to support whatever notion you have.

I'm going to take a long walk and eat a few aspirin..later

 

[clarsct]

Sorry, Donks. Apparently we were typing at the same time. You have the better, simpler answer. *shakes his aching head*
Where's that aspirin bottle.....

 

[Donks]

Sorry, Donks. Apparently we were typing at the same time. You have the better, simpler answer. *shakes his aching head*
Where's that aspirin bottle.....

No problem
Oh, and I'm an Electronics Engineer. Big difference. I had no courses dealing with motors.

 

[Kumar]

Donks, clarsct,

Thanks. I think that this potential energy will be emitted in very short time & can't persist for long unless posibility of part excitation csn be there. Right?

In respect of Day-Glo paint, you said that it is absorption & emission not reflection of its colour wavelength. Right?

 

[Donks]

Donks, clarsct,

Thanks. I think that this potential energy will be emitted in very short time & can't persist for long unless posibility of part excitation csn be there. Right?

There is not part excitation, right? Right.

In respect of Day-Glo paint, you said that it is absorption & emission not reflection of its colour wavelength. Right?

It is absorption of a UV photon, partial loss due to heat, and finally emission of a visible light photon.
I think I see where this is going, so I'll try (unsuccessfully , I'm sure) to stop it before it goes any further.
As you should know, there are more than just 2 energy levels available for an electron. There is the ground state, and then a bunch of levels upwards. In this case what's happening is that the UV photon causes the electron to jump 2 or more levels, and the electron releases energy as heat going down several levels before releasing a photon and going down to the ground state. There is no part excitation.

ETA: Here are two links for you to missquote and misrepresent:
http://acept.la.asu.edu/PiN/rdg/irnuv/irnuv.shtml
http://www.molekulare-physiologie.de/int_fluo_intro.html

 

[MRC_Hans]

Mr. Hans, Donks,

Thanks, you explained a lot. But pls just tell; suppose we take silica/silicon or carbon. We then dope either n or p type of doping or add some impurities. Now we apply heat say 98.4F (body tempreture) to one side of any of these material. What will it show on output side? (I think silica require 125 degree C to conduct, but doped material can conduct at much lesser temp.

It will show some temperature, depending on ambiant temperature, and heat conductivity of the material. You are confusing heat conductivity and electrical conductivity. While they somewhat influence each other, they are two different things. The heat conductivity is not changed by doping a semiconductor, only the electrical conductivity. The heat conductivity of a semiconductor is not influenced by electricity, but the electrical conductivity is influenced by absolute temperature.

Kumar, there is no way you can twist this to support homeopathy. There is no memory function in a simple semiconductor material. A semiconductor memory requires a complex circuitry and complex software to load and retrieve data.

This is a deceased parrot.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

You mean, chemical impurity (dopant) added into the crystal structure of a semiconductor (to modify its electrical properties), should always remain present in its elemental/molecular form to consder it doped material?

There is no crystal structure.

Hans

 

[Donks]

There is no crystal structure.

Hans

There is no spoon?

 

[MRC_Hans]

No problem
Oh, and I'm an Electronics Engineer. Big difference. I had no courses dealing with motors.

Yo! I'm one too. Worked out the motor bit later, heheh.

This latest idea of Kumar's is simply the most surreal thing he has dreamed up to date. I mean, compared to this, "part exitations" is sane and logic. There is only one thing wrong with "part exitations": It does not exist. Otherwise it is a sound and logical concept.

Semiconductor memory in homeoapthic remedies, OTOH, is wrong in multiple layers:

1) There is nothing in a remedy that could function as a semiconductor.

2) There is nothing that could organize a semiconductor, should it exist, into a memory structure.

3) There is nothing to power a memory structure, should it exist.

4) There is nothing to read data into, or out of a powered memory structure, should it exist.

To dream up a theory that is impossible in four layers is quite a feat.

Hans

 

[Donks]

Yo! I'm one too. Worked out the motor bit later, heheh.

This latest idea of Kumar's is simply the most surreal thing he has dreamed up to date. I mean, compared to this, "part exitations" is sane and logic. There is only one thing wrong with "part exitations": It does not exist. Otherwise it is a sound and logical concept.

Semiconductor memory in homeoapthic remedies, OTOH, is wrong in multiple layers:

1) There is nothing in a remedy that could function as a semiconductor.

2) There is nothing that could organize a semiconductor, should it exist, into a memory structure.

3) There is nothing to power a memory structure, should it exist.

4) There is nothing to read data into, or out of a powered memory structure, should it exist.

To dream up a theory that is impossible in four layers is quite a feat.

Hans

Yeah, this is one of his most impressive efforts. It is quite a complex theory which happens to be wrong in every possible aspect. And we haven't even touched on what is supposedly being stored. I assumed Kumar believes that the "characteristic spectrum" of the substance is stored. I wonder what a cell is supposed to do with that. It is fed a binary string, looks up what the original substance was, then looks up in the Materia Medica exactly what symptoms that produces?