AFAIK neither water nor alcohol are semiconductors. I'm not looking it up to make sure, because it does not matter. The memory in computers in not a property of the materials, it is a function of the design of the electronic circuits. Without the proper configuration, it does not work.Kumar said:
Kumar said:
Hans, your solid-state physics is obviously much deeper and more up-to-date than mine. Are there any semiconductors that aren't solids (and crystals at that)?
I'm trying to visualize how to put dopants into a water solution to create suitable electron donors in a stable fashion.... and failing miserably. But I also remember being really surprised when the physicists started being able to produce lasers out of anything and everything including Jell-O, so I don't trust my intution in this instance.
Kumar,
You are making a logical error. Semiconductors are used in the manufacture of computer memory. This does not mean that a semiconductor has memory.
Semiconductors are used to make solid state diodes and transistors. These components are then wired together in such a way that they can be used to store and read data from them. You could build exactly the same circuits using old fasioned valves and ferrous core's. (And this is how it used to be done). This does not mean that iron has a memory, just that it can be magnatised.
I suggest that you do a whole bunch of reading at:
www.howstuffworks.com
O.
PS. rppa.
"Water is not a solid"
Just to be picky water is solid at 0K as are alot of other things, we normally think of as liquid or gas.
EDIT to add:
This is basically what Donks said.
You are making a logical error. Semiconductors are used in the manufacture of computer memory. This does not mean that a semiconductor has memory.
Semiconductors are used to make solid state diodes and transistors. These components are then wired together in such a way that they can be used to store and read data from them. You could build exactly the same circuits using old fasioned valves and ferrous core's. (And this is how it used to be done). This does not mean that iron has a memory, just that it can be magnatised.
I suggest that you do a whole bunch of reading at:
www.howstuffworks.com
O.
PS. rppa.
"Water is not a solid"
Just to be picky water is solid at 0K as are alot of other things, we normally think of as liquid or gas.
EDIT to add:
This is basically what Donks said.
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new drkitten said:Hans, your solid-state physics is obviously much deeper and more up-to-date than mine. Are there any semiconductors that aren't solids (and crystals at that)?
No, and yes. All semiconductors are solids, but not all are crystalline, at least not monocrystalline. For a semiconductor to work, a fixed atomic pattern is needed, which nearly always means a crystal lattice.
I'm trying to visualize how to put dopants into a water solution to create suitable electron donors in a stable fashion.... and failing miserably.
Yes. You should fail. Now, theoretically, you might have different layers of fluid using different kinds of charges, and thus have a semiconductor junction, but obviously such a structure could never be stable.
But I also remember being really surprised when the physicists started being able to produce lasers out of anything and everything including Jell-O, so I don't trust my intution in this instance.
Ahh, but lasers are different. All you need (understatement of the year
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Quite right, but such advanced logic is beyond Kumar. I don't expect Kumar to understand anything of this. Iin fact he has just shown he doesn't; I said that semiconductors were crystalline, and he proceeded to ask if alcohol and water could form a semiconductor.Orangutan said:
I simply answer because Kumar accidentially happened to ask a valid question, and so maybe somebody (but probably not Kumar) might benefit from a valid answer.
Hans
Thanks all for information. Let us try to find out,then. Can you mention here , how many types are there, by which we can store any memory? I think, apart from computer storage, photographic film, chemical reactions, colour transfer are some other types. Plsjust give name of type, by which memories can be stored?
Btw, can human memory be dependent of iron particles in blood--alike magnetic tape?
Btw, can human memory be dependent of iron particles in blood--alike magnetic tape?
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Kumar said:
Oh, oh! I know!
A stick in wet clay. Pigment on a rock face. Pigment on a tablet. Markings cut in a bone or antler. Knots on a string. Marks on rock, wood, shell, ivory. People have also learned to mash fibrous material, and squash it flat, then make various markings using pigment on this material, to store information on. I'm sure there are many more methods.
WRT your second paragraph, No.
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No.Kumar said:
Human memory is a function of the brain, not the blood.
EDIT: if memory was a function of the blood, it would raise some interesting questions about what happen following a blood transfusion....
MRC_Hans said:
What about so said as water crystals & water clusters?
As you know what I am trying, we may have to find something about memory tranfer on following substances:-
Water, alcohol, lactose, silicon/silica, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, colour transfer, atomic/molecular excitations & their persistance. I think, the only possibility can be thought as; specific energy photons from active substance, in specific pattern/spectrum are released during potentization process, transfered to carriers & persist there for long. I don't think any other posibility can be there in higher potencies. How this energy can be memorized in carriers, we may try to find out?
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geni said:
I wonder why you say this, in fact it perfectly explains the way homeopathic remedies work. It's the first time I read such a complete and thorough explanation. Photons, yes! It's the damn photons, how didn't anyone think about this before. The scientific community will undoubtedly hail this apocalyptic breakthrough with dithyrambs.
Kumar, for the n-th time, there is no point in trying to find out. There is no evidence that an effect exists. There is no evidence that information is being stored. Why the hell would someone go looking for a mechanism for something that does not exist?Kumar said:
What about so said as water crystals
You mean snowflakes? Or ice? You can carve ice or snow. It will retain its shape.
water clusters?
If water molecules "cluster" due to hydrogen bonding, the cluster does not persist for more than a tiny fraction of a second. There's nothing persistent there.
Water, alcohol, lactose, silicon/silica, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, colour transfer, atomic/molecular excitations & their persistance. I think, the only possibility can be thought as; specific energy photons from active substance, in specific pattern/spectrum are released during potentization process, transfered to carriers & persist there for long. I don't think any other posibility can be there in higher potencies. How this energy can be memorized in carriers, we may try to find out?
It can't.
You mean snowflakes? Or ice? You can carve ice or snow. It will retain its shape.
water clusters?
If water molecules "cluster" due to hydrogen bonding, the cluster does not persist for more than a tiny fraction of a second. There's nothing persistent there.
Water, alcohol, lactose, silicon/silica, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, colour transfer, atomic/molecular excitations & their persistance. I think, the only possibility can be thought as; specific energy photons from active substance, in specific pattern/spectrum are released during potentization process, transfered to carriers & persist there for long. I don't think any other posibility can be there in higher potencies. How this energy can be memorized in carriers, we may try to find out?
It can't.
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Kumar, GO READ A BOOK!!!!Kumar said:
Darat, can't we have one of those smilie-things that says this?
Rolfe.
