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psi wheel experiment

Musibrique said:
Why are you putting words in my mouth which I never said? I never claim my experiments support the conclusion that psi-wheels are due to psi or the paranormal. All I was trying to do in my experiments is test the psi-wheel=radiometer assumption.
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You would have to create a partial vacuum in the room to do that experiment.
 
realpaladin said:
A) Let me be nice here and say that you meant that it *did* move freely and easily before the test. That was what I asked.

Now, let's say this all happened as you claim. What next?

B) Buy a webcam? Claim the MDC?

Thing is, we are talking about 'say so' here and all everyone can do here is help you out with ways to improve your testing.

C) But *your* testing does not mean anything (you may be biased and therefore every test will only confirm that).

D) So the next step would be to get a webcam (who doesn't have a webcam these days? They are cheap as chips and most laptops/tablets give you one whether you want or not. Also there is software so you can use your phone as a 'remote webcam') and repeat the test I guess.
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A) If you read my previous posts, you would see that my meaning actually generalized that artificial light cannot cause the psi-wheel to spin like if it were a radiometer. I find your statement a bit ambiguous, but if you were asking a question, then yes it did move freely and easily.

B) Problem is, I never claim anything paranormal in this thread, so there's no reason to apply for the prize.

C) Can you please explain to me how my bias can affect my experiments when the wheels are covered by glass bowls and artificial light hitting them?

D) How about a video camera from my phone? I think that one will work.
 
dafydd said:
You would have to create a partial vacuum in the room to do that experiment.
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Is it really necessary? People who use psi-wheels generally cover it with a glass bowl, so wouldn't a glass bowl be enough to test whether or not light can affect the wheel?

"You started at it for 24 hrs?"

Yeah I did. Jk!

I just left it there for 24 hours while I was somewhere else.
 
Musibrique said:
Is it really necessary? People who use psi-wheels generally cover it with a glass bowl, so wouldn't a glass bowl be enough to test whether or not light can affect the wheel?

"You started at it for 24 hrs?"

Yeah I did. Jk!

I just left it there for 24 hours while I was somewhere else.
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A Crookes' Radiometer works because of the partial vacuum inside the bulb.

''The air pressure inside the bulb needs to strike a balance between too low and too high. A strong vacuum inside the bulb does not permit motion, because there are not enough air molecules to cause the air currents that propel the vanes and transfer heat to the outside before both sides of each vane reach thermal equilibrium by heat conduction through the vane material. High inside pressure inhibits motion because the temperature differences are not enough to push the vanes through the higher concentration of air: there is too much air resistance for "eddy currents" to occur, and any slight air movement caused by the temperature difference is damped by the higher pressure before the currents can "wrap around" to the other side.''
 
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dafydd said:
A Crookes' Radiometer works because of the partial vacuum inside the bulb.

''The air pressure inside the bulb needs to strike a balance between too low and too high. A strong vacuum inside the bulb does not permit motion, because there are not enough air molecules to cause the air currents that propel the vanes and transfer heat to the outside before both sides of each vane reach thermal equilibrium by heat conduction through the vane material. High inside pressure inhibits motion because the temperature differences are not enough to push the vanes through the higher concentration of air: there is too much air resistance for "eddy currents" to occur, and any slight air movement caused by the temperature difference is damped by the higher pressure before the currents can "wrap around" to the other side.''
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Ah, that makes sense :rolleyes:.

But I have 1 question for you: Do you believe a psi-wheel is a Crooke's Radiometer despite the fact that it's not in a vacuum?
 
My fault... I mentioned mine because I wanted to make a point of the fact that there are lots of ways things can move about.

For a psi-wheel to be believable, you would need to systematically eliminate all of them, except for the psi power.

So ideally the psi-wheel would be encased in full vacuum, completely covered from light, non-magnetic, on a level surface, built completely balanced and using an advanced method of measuring movement.

And I probably have overlooked something at that....
 
Musibrique said:
You are correct; however, convection can only occur inside a sealed container when...

1) The surface is heated
2) The psi-wheel is inside a huge glass container
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Or the ambient temperature changes. I 'm not sure what you are up to here. Do you want this psi nonsense to be real?
 
dafydd said:
Or the ambient temperature changes. I 'm not sure what you are up to here. Do you want this psi nonsense to be real?
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My impression is that he does, but he's attempting to disguise it.

Could be wrong, of course, but it seems to point that way.
 
dafydd said:
Or the ambient temperature changes. I 'm not sure what you are up to here. Do you want this psi nonsense to be real?
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I don't know how you bring up this conclusion when I clearly said I'm not advocating psi in psi-wheels. Thanks for answering my question by the way.
 
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Garrette said:
My impression is that he does, but he's attempting to disguise it.

Could be wrong, of course, but it seems to point that way.
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Judging by the look of this, I'm assuming the JREF Forum is a place for discrimination.

arthwollipot, Nope.
 
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Musibrique said:
Judging by the look of this, I'm assuming the JREF Forum is a place for discrimination.
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Discrimination? :confused:

We get a lot of new posters coming here purporting to be skeptics while in actuality intending to push their own brand of woo, so I wouldn't take it too personally.

If this is not the case with you, it'll be apparent soon enough.
 
AdMan said:
Discrimination? :confused:

We get a lot of new posters coming here purporting to be skeptics while in actuality intending to push their own brand of woo, so I wouldn't take it too personally.

If this is not the case with you, it'll be apparent soon enough.
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Well that clearly explains everything!

I guess new posters in this forum are quickly subject to woo-woo, right?
 
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