psi wheel experiment

[wardenclyffe]

I'm afraid I am unelligable for the challenge due to me being under the age of 18,and lacking media attention as well as the desire for it.

Your user profile says that you are 24. Are you really just 14? There are other cash challenges that require no media presence.

Ward

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I decided to do my own psi wheel experiments to see what would happen ....
thank you

Welcome to the forum but the mechanism by which psi wheels work are known, documented and have been discussed here before. You'd need some extremely rigid controls to rule out the effect of heat and since we know how the wheels work it is highly unlikely you could demonstrate what's been proved is not true. Just showing you get the spin in the direction you want is not enough to rule out the known mechanism for the wheels.

 

[Ladewig]

You could have done better. Why weather stripping? There still could have been a leak. Why not put it in a jar that was completely sealed, like a mason jar? You might also, for example, seal the edge with Vaseline. Also, try to avoid light changes and temperature changes.

Or put some water in a pie pan and place the overturned jar in the water.

 

[Exodus]

yeah,I exaggerated on my age a little,as I wasn't sure this forum had a age limit.

as I continue practicing and experimenting,I'm hoping to come up with more substantial evidence,perhaps by using an electronic thermometer,just to see if their are any significant changes that may cause movement.

regardless thank you everyone,hopefully I may have something to show for my work by the end of the month.

 

[Ladewig]

yeah,I exaggerated on my age a little,as I wasn't sure this forum had a age limit.

as I continue practicing and experimenting,I'm hoping to come up with more substantial evidence,perhaps by using an electronic thermometer,just to see if their are any significant changes that may cause movement.

regardless thank you everyone,hopefully I may have something to show for my work by the end of the month.

It is going to take a month to repeat a 20-minute test? Just seal the jar and make it move.

Oh and when you say you are looking for something to show for your work, please remember that each negative result needs to reported with the same thoroughness as each positive result.

 

[phunk]

It is going to take a month to repeat a 20-minute test? Just seal the jar and make it move.

Oh and when you say you are looking for something to show for your work, please remember that each negative result needs to reported with the same thoroughness as each positive result.

As well as recording the behavior of the wheel when you aren't trying to move it.

 

[dafydd]

I determined the direction of rotation before the experiment (randomely off the top of my head),If it did not make a full rotation in that direction by the end of a timer it was considered a failure.

as for weather stripping it was the best I had on hand at the time.I understand that it may be inaduequate,so I may run the experiment again with stricter controls.However I'm afraid I am unelligable for the challenge due to me being under the age of 18,and lacking media attention as well as the desire for it.

Moving a paper wheel with your mind? What is the point of that? When you can lie down and cook breakfast with telekinesis let us know.

 

[dafydd]

thank you high riser.Now the only problem is to find one large enough to place a respectable wheel in.Nontheless I will try this and record my results.

All your results. When I was a teenager I became convinced that I could dowse with a pendulum. I used to shuffle a pack of cards and try and guess the top card. I was sure I was onto something until I started recording all my results. No more than predicted by chance, 1 in 52 right.

 

[Loss Leader]

perhaps,I am well open to the idea I'm delusional.I merely posted this to get your feedback on as well as to see where I should go from here.

I am glad to hear you are interested in testing.

However, there is a reason the thing is called a psi wheel: it moves very, very easily. That way, people who suspect they're psychic can sit and point at it and pretend that whatever movement they see was caused by their minds.

I suggest you abandon the little piece of paper sitting on a needle completely. Almost undetectable changes in air currents can cause the thing to spin. And air currents, even in closed systems, are constantly changing.

Try to make a little toy car roll backwards and forwards inside a bell jar. Try to move a paper clip. Do anything other than make a spinning piece of paper spin some more.

 

[Brown]

PK wheel demo

Psychic motors

In addition to the threads already mentioned, there's also:

PK wheel video

 

[realpaladin]

I have one of these on my desk. It is completely sealed and it is extremely low pressure (I can't really say vacuum, but it should be as close to it as possible).
On a nice bright day it spins like mad.
It is called a a lightmill or Radiometer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer
That article also explains how it moves without air currents or even in the absence of light.

 

[dafydd]

I have one of these on my desk. It is completely sealed and it is extremely low pressure (I can't really say vacuum, but it should be as close to it as possible).
On a nice bright day it spins like mad.
It is called a a lightmill or Radiometer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer
That article also explains how it moves without air currents or even in the absence of light.

[qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Crookes_radiometer.jpg[/qimg]

I've got one of those.

 

[Psi Baba]

Exodus, try this experiment: rather than attempting to rotate the psi wheel, see if you can use your mind to get it to remain still for a certain period of time, say 15 to 30 minutes or so. If you fail at getting to remain still, you might want to reconsider the validity of "successes" in attempts to make it move.

 

[satakas]

Wheels don't have corners.

actually they do. according to archimedes...

 

[Musibrique]

1) You could have done better. Why weather stripping? There still could have been a leak. Why not put it in a jar that was completely sealed, like a mason jar? You might also, for example, seal the edge with Vaseline. 2) Also, try to avoid light changes and temperature changes.

3) After you are sure it's stable, flip a coin, previously deciding heads would mean you'd try and turn it clockwise, and tails counter-clockwise. Give yourself a minute of mental effort to try and move it, and record the result (approximate number of total degrees rotated in which direction). Wait maybe at least 10 minutes between tries.

4) If you get consistent results better than chance, get press coverage, then apply for the million dollars.

1) What an excellent advise Mr. Scott !

2) The light/temperature changes can in no way affect the psi-wheel. I conducted experiments where I exposed the psi-wheels under bright, artificial light conditions and none made a single movement. In addition, I left a psi-wheel in a room for 24 hours and it didn't move either.

3) What if the coin is biased? Wouldn't a biased coin invalidate the data?

4) How exactly do you calculate "better than chance" with psi-wheels? As a novice statistician, I cannot understand this concept.

 

[Weak Kitten]

Exodus, try this experiment: rather than attempting to rotate the psi wheel, see if you can use your mind to get it to remain still for a certain period of time, say 15 to 30 minutes or so. If you fail at getting to remain still, you might want to reconsider the validity of "successes" in attempts to make it move.

This is an excellent suggestion and would not require your sealing the wheel in any way. If you can keep the wheel from tuning in spite of air movement and heat differentials it would be a good start.

Nice thinking outside the box Psi Baba.

 

[Musibrique]

This is an excellent suggestion and would not require your sealing the wheel in any way. If you can keep the wheel from tuning in spite of air movement and heat differentials it would be a good start.

Nice thinking outside the box Psi Baba.

I believe the magnitude of such telekinetic force required to stop the psi-wheel from moving depends on how effective the air, convection torque, etc. currents are. A weak telekinetic force may be able to move a psi-wheel, but not strong enough to stop it from conventional currents.

 

[Weak Kitten]

I believe the magnitude of such telekinetic force required to stop the psi-wheel from moving depends on how effective the air, convection torque, etc. currents are. A weak telekinetic force may be able to move a psi-wheel, but not strong enough to stop it from conventional currents.

If it doesn't have enough force to stop motion it surely doesn't have enough to reverse the rotation of the wheel.

 

[oody]

If it doesn't have enough force to stop motion it surely doesn't have enough to reverse the rotation of the wheel.

I'd say maintaining a counter-force that perfectly counteracts naturally occurring forces would require considerably more precision than simply spinning the wheel, which could be done with a quite imprecise application of force.

A parallel might be a rendezvous-type maneuver for an Apollo or Gemini spacecraft: maintaining a stable position is difficult, while any fool could fire any rocket on the thing to set it spinning around some axis.

 

[wardenclyffe]

Are Musibrique and Exodus the same person? If so, the mods should straighten that out before we get too far. If Exodus just forgot the password or something, it should be an easy fix.

Ward