Mubarak has resigned!!!!!!!

Thunder said:
I have the feeling that with the help of the USA and EU, something wonderful is going to happen in the Middle East.
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Sorry. It's just for a moment there I thought you suggested Europe might help someone.
 
Glenn Beck is telling his audience right now the leftest revolution has started. :eek:


Quick, get the tinfoil.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Glenn Beck is telling his audience right now the leftest revolution has started. :eek:


Quick, get the tinfoil.
:tinfoil :tinfoil :tinfoil
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I was tempted to turn on Beck earlier today. I caught his "It's all a Muslim Communist Secularist!!!" theory live a while back.

Good times, good times.


Congrats to Egypt. :) I seriously cried with happiness upon hearing the news.

relevant videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThvBJMzmSZI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POP2moMcj-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgw_zfLLvh8

ETA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCbpiOpLwFg
 
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gumboot said:
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Sorry. It's just for a moment there I thought you suggested Europe might help someone.
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The EU is the world's largest aid donor, if you include donations by individual member states.

Consider the US was closely associated with Mubarak, it's likely to taint any Egyptian faction it gets involved with.

The EU is more neutral, and without military ambitions. If Egyptians ask for help, the EU is a much safer candidate to provide it.

The only thing the US has going for it compared to the EU is its military, but Egypt has no need for military involvement.

I Ratant said:
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That was one (of many) blunders the Bushies committed in Iraq, when they disbanded all the civil authorities as B'aathists, and compounded the felony by dismissing the army, leaving nobody in control.
Which led to the collapse of the public utilities, with everything not welded and cemented in place being stolen because it wasn't guarded.
And the abandonment of the military bases let the thieves run off with all the artillery shells now being used as IEDs.
Bushie had -no- after-victory plan.
Egypt may be in the same situation, but there is still some manner of government to keep things going.
And the parliamentary system allows differing parties to align with a central goal.
What that goal may be... more democracy or another strong-man dictator, only time can reveal.
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It will be interesting to see how Iraq and Egypt develop next.

One government overthrown by an expensive military operation, followed by an extended occupation.
The other by an invasion of information - Al Jazeera's newscoverage from an Arab perspective, online social networking, wikileaks, etc. They all add up to expose governments in developing nations to more public scrutiny.
 
egslim said:
The EU is the world's largest aid donor, if you include donations by individual member states.
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Yes, I noticed the EU's "throw money at it" approach to fixing the world's problems. (Most of, let's not forget, which Europe itself caused). I understand this approach is uproariously successful in sub-Saharan Africa.

Oh wait.


egslim said:
Consider the US was closely associated with Mubarak, it's likely to taint any Egyptian faction it gets involved with.
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Almost certainly.


egslim said:
The EU is more neutral, and without military ambitions. If Egyptians ask for help, the EU is a much safer candidate to provide it.
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I was laughing at the notion that the EU might actually respond to any calls for help. The EU has a great track record for causing chaos. Fixing it? Not so much.


egslim said:
The only thing the US has going for it compared to the EU is its military, but Egypt has no need for military involvement.
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I think the main thing the US has going for it is they're more likely to actually try to help. Whether that help will be welcome, and whether that help will actually be helpful, well... that's another matter entirely.
 
I hope they stay in the streets long enough to ensure that someone other than that piece of crap VP is not installed as the new dictator. Maybe he will be pressured into stepping down as well and allowing a caretaker government to be formed under someone like el-Baradei.
 
Oh, boy.
gumboot said:
Yes, I noticed the EU's "throw money at it" approach to fixing the world's problems.
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Better throw money at a problem than bombs.

Seriously, what do you expect? Ultimately the solution to any developmentproblem is always up to the people themselves. Best an outsider can do is supply money, knowledge or technology.

The EU does all that. The only thing the US does but the EU doesn't, is bomb or invade countries. And I bet you Egyptians don't want that.

(Most of, let's not forget, which Europe itself caused). I understand this approach is uproariously successful in sub-Saharan Africa
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This is going completely off-topic, but you're talking rubbish.

Sub-Saharan Africa was a mess of warring tribes, slavery and cannibalism, long before Europeans got involved.

The fact is colonialism was only ever possible because the colonials were either willing participants, or because they were millenia behind development-wise. Hint: Nationalism is a late-18th century European invention.

I was laughing at the notion that the EU might actually respond to any calls for help. The EU has a great track record for causing chaos. Fixing it? Not so much.
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Ah.

So what is this great track record for causing chaos? Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

Or are you still referring to the colonial era? Because the EU didn't even exist back then.

I think the main thing the US has going for it is they're more likely to actually try to help. Whether that help will be welcome, and whether that help will actually be helpful, well... that's another matter entirely.
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With friends like that, who needs enemies? Unwelcome help, unhelpful or even harmful help is not good - it's bad.
 
Tricky said:
I have a co-worker from Egypt, and he wasn't particularly happy about this development. He agrees that Mubarak needed to leave, but when it happens fast like this, he is afraid it will cause a power vaccum and set various military leaders against each other. He thinks the violence is about to begin in earnest.
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more than 2 weeks is fast?
 
Thunder said:
I heard that Mubarak was the third longest running leader in Egytian history, going back 5,000 years. The other two were both Pharoahs.

That says a lot.
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Not true, Mohammed Ali in the 19th century ruled Egypt from 1805 to 1849. In 1811 he made his rule uncontested by masacring the Mamuluke chiftains at a banquet.
 
egslim said:
It will be interesting to see how Iraq and Egypt develop next.

One government overthrown by an expensive military operation, followed by an extended occupation.
The other by an invasion of information - Al Jazeera's newscoverage from an Arab perspective, online social networking, wikileaks, etc. They all add up to expose governments in developing nations to more public scrutiny.
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Still trying to falsely pretend Saddam's brutish regime and mass-murdering army and security forces could have been overthrown by unarmed protesters, I see.

Mubarak was overthrown, not by people in the streets, but by a U.S. -groomed military that responded to the people in the streets, instead of Mubarak.

Saddam's thugs, OTOH, brutally crushed the Shia and Kurds when they tried to rebel.
 
egslim said:
The EU is the world's largest aid donor, if you include donations by individual member states.

Consider the US was closely associated with Mubarak, it's likely to taint any Egyptian faction it gets involved with.

The EU is more neutral, and without military ambitions. If Egyptians ask for help, the EU is a much safer candidate to provide it.

The only thing the US has going for it compared to the EU is its military, but Egypt has no need for military involvement.


It will be interesting to see how Iraq and Egypt develop next.

One government overthrown by an expensive military operation, followed by an extended occupation.
The other by an invasion of information - Al Jazeera's newscoverage from an Arab perspective, online social networking, wikileaks, etc. They all add up to expose governments in developing nations to more public scrutiny.
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The history of the Middle East is not one of beneficence by the rulers, who tend to take on the aspect of godhood by fiat; they having the guns and the desire to reap the benefits of rule.
If Egypt can get a secular government, the rulers in those other countries that are dominated by religion may get tougher, to prevent their losing their positions.
Iraq's military would probably split along Sunni-Shiite lines, and nothing but more unhappiness occur.
Iran's military might back the Ayatollahs.
Diverting the "people's wishes" into dictatorship is really the norm over there.
 
leftysergeant said:
I hope they stay in the streets long enough to ensure that someone other than that piece of crap VP is not installed as the new dictator. Maybe he will be pressured into stepping down as well and allowing a caretaker government to be formed under someone like el-Baradei.
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Latest polls show that "piece of crap VP" has 4 times the support el Baradei has among Egyptians.
 
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