Mubarak has resigned!!!!!!!

[Toontown]

And this is my litmus test for identifying a ideologically-driven moonbat. The old "Milton Friedman as the devil that destroyed Chile" schtick, so completely divorced from reality it borders on mental illness.

What's the mpg of a moonbat when being driven by an ideologue? I'll bet they don't get very far on a tank of mythology. Because I see a lot of moonbat filling stations on the internet.

 

[A'isha]

There you go. Damned if we do step in. Damned if we don't.

Even setting aside the fact that a direct invasion where there are no popular uprisings happening is quite a bit different from aiding existing mass uprisings, the reason we didn't intervene in the 1991 revolts was not because of people on the left, but people on the right. Such as some guy named Dick Cheney.

Even if the troops have left the region.

Except they hadn't actually left the region yet. They hadn't even left Iraq yet, when the revolts happened.

 

[Thunder]

Cherry pick? When has Iraq, or any Arab country for that matter, not been a complete mess?

how has Egypt been a complete mess for the last 30 years?

how was Libya been a complete mess?

how has Saudi Arabia been a complete mess?

how has Kuwait been a complete mess?

how has Syria been a complete mess?

 

[leftysergeant]

Sub-Saharan Africa was a mess of warring tribes, slavery and cannibalism, long before Europeans got involved.

The fact is colonialism was only ever possible because the colonials were either willing participants, or because they were millenia behind development-wise. Hint: Nationalism is a late-18th century European invention.

 

[WildCat]

Interestingly enough, after Saddam was toppled, there was another attempt to make Friedman's crap work, again, at the point of a bayonet.

I wonder how long it will be before someone comes up with the bright idea that Western powers need to rescue Egypt with loans with the same stupid strings attached to them, like privatizing infrastructure and letting foreign companies own the national resources.

Thank you for proving my point about the litmus test!

 

[Virus]

how has Egypt been a complete mess for the last 30 years?

how was Libya been a complete mess?

how has Saudi Arabia been a complete mess?

how has Kuwait been a complete mess?

how has Syria been a complete mess?

You're kidding aren't you? You can't possibly be that ignorant.

 

[Thunder]

You're kidding aren't you? You can't possibly be that ignorant.

Saudi Arabia seems to have been pretty stable over the last 30 years.

As has Kuwait (at least before Saddam's invasion and after it was removed).

How has Libya not been stable?

I guess Syria has not been that stable...


what evidence do you have for Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Libya being a complete mess?

you can add Oman, Qatar, and Bharain to the question.

..honestly, I know that you won't be able to provide any evidence to back up your silly assertion. maybe you should stop making such broad generalizations.

 

[Virus]

Saudi Arabia seems to have been pretty stable over the last 30 years.

As has Kuwait (at least before Saddam's invasion and after it was removed).

How has Libya not been stable?

I guess Syria has not been that stable...


what evidence do you have for Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Libya being a complete mess?

you can add Oman, Qatar, and Bharain to the question.

..honestly, I know that you won't be able to provide any evidence to back up your silly assertion. maybe you should stop making such broad generalizations.

Just because they have a modicum of stability doesn't mean they aren't a mess. And that modicum of stability only exists due to alliances with the US which binds them together into a pax Americana. Which you're against.

 

[Thunder]

Just because they have a modicum of stability doesn't mean they aren't a mess.

so they are stable AND they are a mess.

gotcha.

 

[Debaser]

So if no-one minds me taking this off-topic for a while and dicussing Egypt and its present state...whither the (secret) police?

Anyone have an idea what's happened to them since they left the scene near the beginning (and probably acted as agents provocateur in the violence that flared)? What happens to them?

Disband and you get Iraq, a suddenly unemployed and thereby disaffected group ready to wreak revenge on the people who caused them to lose their status. A group who, in this instance, see another part of Mubarak's state apparatus, the armed forces, getting the glory and yet they who were similarly loyal getting the 'rough' end of the stick.

Keep them together and try to normalise their role, and the people see those who carried out the day-to-day harrasments still in power, still getting a wage, still the same old same old. All that struggle and no change.

Either way, that's a powderkeg.

Could be the next big hurdle the country faces.

 

[Virus]

I said they had a "modicum of stability". They still have enormous problems with corruption, nepotism, overpopulation, poor education, poor economic development and illiteracy to name just a few things.

 

[Virus]

Could be the next big hurdle the country faces.

The country is about to find out their problems run much deeper than Mubarak.

That's a very deep rabbit hole, and the Arab track-record of solving problems they continually pile upon themselves has been.... what's the word I'm looking for? Catastrophic.

 

[Darth Rotor]

The paper this morning described the military moving into the political power vacuum as either a coup or a junta. The question is: what next?

 

[geni]

Just because they have a modicum of stability doesn't mean they aren't a mess. And that modicum of stability only exists due to alliances with the US which binds them together into a pax Americana. Which you're against.

I wasn't aware that Libya spent much time in alliance with the US. I seem to recall some exchanges of bombing raids and the like in the 80s. Despite this libya has a modicum of stability much to the regret of any who actualy has to talk to Gaddafi.

 

[geni]

The country is about to find out their problems run much deeper than Mubarak.

He's been running the place for the last 30 years. It seems likely that he has something to do with it's current social and economic situation.

That's a very deep rabbit hole, and the Arab track-record of solving problems they continually pile upon themselves has been.... what's the word I'm looking for? Catastrophic.

The crusaders might dissagree.

 

[Thunder]

The country is about to find out their problems run much deeper than Mubarak.

says who?

oh yeah.....you.

 

[Thunder]

Just because they have a modicum of stability doesn't mean they aren't a mess. And that modicum of stability only exists due to alliances with the US which binds them together into a pax Americana. Which you're against.

Libya has an alliance with the USA?

hmm..

 

[NWO Sentryman]

He's been running the place for the last 30 years. It seems likely that he has something to do with it's current social and economic situation.



The crusaders might dissagree.

I thought the Crusades were focused on Judea itself.

 

[I Ratant]

One of them was derailed into France to kill all the Albigensians. Pretty much accomplished that, but mostly they failed miserably in the Middle East.

 

[gumboot]

err....that was long before they were members of the EU or the EU even existed, Wildcat.

I'm pretty sure joining the EU doesn't work like confessional. It doesn't magically wipe the slate clean. Europeans are always rather quick to dredge up crimes that the USA committed generations ago. Europe's criminal record is far more extensive.