has anyone acutally been killed in satanic ritual abuse

[RelentlessPunishment]

I don't know much about it but it's something that fascinates me too.

Perhaps it's an urban myth, but I've heard it said that Richard Ramirez is the only killer known to have killed as part of his Satanic beliefs, although Wikipedia doesn't say anything about any Satanism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez

And I don't really know what this article is, but it explores his Satanism a bit and I think it was published in a criminology journal of some sort:

http://www.nyu.edu/classes/keefer/ww1/grise.html

I guess it's not really "Satanic Ritual Abuse", but perhaps it's significant that his killing spree took place at the height of the paranod craze about Satanic child abuse of children.

 

[Mark R]

I attended a catholic high school between 1989 - 1990, which was during the mass hysteria America was having over Satanism and ritual murders. What I remember was how the lack of evidence was evidence of these rituals.

One of my teachers had experience helping the police investigate satanic murders. Or so she claimed. This experience was confirmed by other teachers who mentioned her as a reliable source on satanic crimes.

Anyways, according to her, one reason satanists were not caught practicing human sacrifice (which were being committed outdoors) is they would have lookouts stationed all around the area. When the police would raid the area, the lookouts would provide enough warning for everyone to get away and leave no evidence of a crime.

I know....it sounds like a scene so bad you would expect to find it in a movie on the SyFy channel. But she honestly believed it and she got other teachers to believe it as well. So the fact that there was no evidence of satanic ritual involving human sacrifice was evidence that there was a vast and powerful network of satanists.

This was the evidence used to scare the crap out of the students to be afraid of being kidnapped and sacrificed.

This is why religion is like a gateway drug. Once you drink the Kool-Aid, nothing else seems crazy in comparison.

 

[Bikewer]

Back then, we actually got a training film along the lines of "How to spot Satanic Activity". Some self-promoting ex copper had produced a bunch of films and was out on the lecture circuit....
Really, seriously bad. Tons of the sort of "lore" that was floating around at the time but short on actual evidence.
As I recall, about the best they could come up with was a couple of murders committed in a drug-induced fog by idiots wearing pentagram T-shirts.....

 

[ponderingturtle]

The thing about satanists is that they're all "self-styled"; including what has been referred to as "LaVeyans". LaVey wrote a book which described his own personal "Satanic" theosophy and ritual, but that doesn't make his satanist club more or less "authentic" or authoritative than any other group of self-styled "satanists".

This makes them sound just like christians.

 

[sophia8]

Back then, we actually got a training film along the lines of "How to spot Satanic Activity". Some self-promoting ex copper had produced a bunch of films and was out on the lecture circuit...

Probably the same ex-cop who produced a list of "Satanic Holidays" , on which Satanists were expected to perform their horrid rituals. The list I saw (around 1991) was much longer than the one in the link - it consisted of over 100 dates. How on earth Satanists managed to spend every third or fourth day torturing, raping, murdering, engaging in 'Satanic Revels' AND find time to go to work, do their laundry etc, I'll never know.

But seriously, the nonsense that even intelligent people swallowed about SRA astounded me at the time. For example, somebody who claimed to be an "ex-witch" went on TV and said that she had procured children for abuse by luring them into a closed room and drugging them with lighted candles laced with LSD*; this was on a big panel discussion show and not one person stood up and said that couldn't have happened.
Another popular SRA claim at that time was that 4,000 babies were sacrificed in satanic rituals in Britain every year. This was based on numbers pulled out of somebody's posterior, ie, there were 500 active Satanic covens in the country; they all celebrated the major Satanic feasts by sacrificing a baby; there are eight Satanic feasts a year; 500 x 8 = 4,000. QED (sic)
This claim was repeated in Parliament, by a perfectly sane politician (yes, I know, sic again...)

*Or heroin - she repeated the story in press interviews several times and kept mixing up the two drugs. She also claimed in some of these interviews that the candles were made from baby fat.

 

[Checkmite]

I read the link you referenced, which is a bit thin on details. It starts off describing a "Satanic sect," but then goes on to describe the people involved as "goths." It's not clear to me if the people involved self-identified as Satanists, or if that was an inference the prosecution made from them self-identifying as goth, at least not from the link you posted.

More details here. They did self-identify as satanists.

 

[wakawakawaka]

I attended a catholic high school between 1989 - 1990, which was during the mass hysteria America was having over Satanism and ritual murders. What I remember was how the lack of evidence was evidence of these rituals.

One of my teachers had experience helping the police investigate satanic murders. Or so she claimed. This experience was confirmed by other teachers who mentioned her as a reliable source on satanic crimes.

Anyways, according to her, one reason satanists were not caught practicing human sacrifice (which were being committed outdoors) is they would have lookouts stationed all around the area. When the police would raid the area, the lookouts would provide enough warning for everyone to get away and leave no evidence of a crime.

I know....it sounds like a scene so bad you would expect to find it in a movie on the SyFy channel. But she honestly believed it and she got other teachers to believe it as well. So the fact that there was no evidence of satanic ritual involving human sacrifice was evidence that there was a vast and powerful network of satanists.

This was the evidence used to scare the crap out of the students to be afraid of being kidnapped and sacrificed.

This is why religion is like a gateway drug. Once you drink the Kool-Aid, nothing else seems crazy in comparison.

I think tis book was written during that time...

 

[westprog]

This makes them sound just like christians.

No, there is such a thing as organised religion. There are such things as churches, and bishops, and doctrinal wrangles. That's why the real abuse cases included priests who had an infrastructure to enable their behaviour. There's no such equivalent in Satanism.

 

[westprog]

This is why religion is like a gateway drug. Once you drink the Kool-Aid, nothing else seems crazy in comparison.

There were plenty of secular and atheist believers in the whole thing. The evangelicals were strong believers in the ritual abuse thing, but they didn't have the influence on the social workers and police that would have enabled the hysteria to have teeth. Many of the people driving the insanity were explicitly anti-religious.