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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

Hardly anything about sexual abuse from the Eastern religions, either. Yes, there have been some. Gurus with a tantric belief system, etc. With those few exceptions, almost no sexual abuse from the heathens.

Not giving tantra any credence whatsoever, the reason for this is probably that consensuality (is that a word?) Is a very important part of the "philosophy". So since there should be no coercion the question of abuse is moot. On a more secular note...probably makes for some kinky fun times. :D
 
Not giving tantra any credence whatsoever, the reason for this is probably that consensuality (is that a word?) Is a very important part of the "philosophy". So since there should be no coercion the question of abuse is moot. On a more secular note...probably makes for some kinky fun times. :D
I don't know. As they become more and more popular, there does seem to be an increased probability of sexual improprieties. I guess the difference is that in the West you don't have to make it big to be a sex offender (I think the hypothesis that the same thing could be at play as in the West has to be considered, though: it may also be about how you are looking for the signal). Presently, in this country (USA) the one in the public eye seems to be Bikram Choudhury (though you could argue he's not a religious guru) with various sexual harassment and sexual assault allegations. Apparently, many Bikram associated studios are removing their association with the man because of this.

And, by the way, in India, in common usage, "tantra" seems to refer to the more "witchy" types of folk, not necessarily to anything sexual.
 
Just this week, Dr Phil was promoting the use of psychics in missing persons cases. Now this?!

The man is a menace, alright. Disgusting.

Okay, no one can claim Dr. Phil is a good Christian!


Witchcraft is a belief that predates Christianity. Animists, for example, often believe in demonic possession and supernatural curses. Murdering/executing witches started among pagans. In fact, the Church in early medieval times condemned witch accusers. Many Christian kings and priests condemned the persecution of alleged witches and sorcerers.

Witchcraft ‘murders’ are quite common in aboriginal, pagan peoples even today. Many witchcraft murders occur in animist communities. The concept of witchcraft is often associated with the concept of jinx. If a people near a particular person are suffering misfortune, then the people near by will try to kill that person to get rid of the ‘curse’. The tribe may not even think the jinx does it on purpose. If the person didn’t plan it, then he is possessed. ‘Possessed people’ get killed, too. When witch hysteria starts to spread, the Church tends to hop on this animist bandwagon

The tide turned in the late medieval period. Towards the very end of the medieval period, just previous to the ‘Enlightenment’, there was a witch hysteria that by far exceeded anything witchcraft hysteria by pagans. The churches of the day, both Catholic AND Protestant, promoted the trial, imprisonment, torture and execution of witches for supernatural crimes. With the help of the Church, sincere Christians burned and hanged tens of thousands of people on the basis of magical crimes.

The Christian supported persecution far exceeded anything done before maybe because advances in technology and secular. The ‘burning times’ occurred very soon after Gutenbergs ‘invention’ of the printing press. Books on how to find and torment witches were widely circulated. The invention of a very efficient printing press (not the first printing press) impacted society much like the internet does today.


Further, the law was purposely slanted to find witches. The secular laws were twisted so that someone could be condemned for witchcraft for evidence that had been previously unacceptable. Evidence could be the testimony of someone being tortured. Evidence could be someone else bad dream. This started a chain reaction that soon generated tens of thousands of convictions.

I suspect that much of the resurgence in ‘witchcraft’ accusations is being driven by the Internet. Again, churches and mosques are jumping on the’witch-hunt’ bandwagon. I don’t think this will get very far unless the secular law starts to accommodate the witch hunters.

There were also translations of the Bible which talked about witches. There isn’t a word in Hebrew that precisely corresponds to the supernatural witch. The Bible condemns psychics, which are people who openly claim to have supernatural powers. The Bible condemns pagan priests, who claimed supernatural powers. However, this concept was more like heresy than supernatural witchcraft.

Control of the weather was seen more as proof that the prophets were talking to God. In the Bible, the Prophets seem to have a direct in with the god of the storm. Ahab persecuted Elijah because he thought Elijah caused the drought. Ahab was pagan, accusing Elijah of witchcraft. It was the God of the Hebrews who was thought of as a ‘Devil’, not Baal of Tyre. Elijah didn’t believe that the priests of Baal had magic powers. It was the Hebrew Prophets who were accused of supernatural witchcraft, not the pagan priests.

Someone should tell the religious leaders.


Make no mistake, though. The belief in supernatural witchcraft is very fungible. Christians can easily


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt
‘Christianisation and Early Middle Ages[edit]
The Councils of Elvira (306), Ancyra (314), and Trullo (692) imposed certain ecclesiastical penances for devil-worship. This mild approach represented the view of the Church for many centuries. The general desire of the Catholic Church's clergy to check fanaticism about witchcraft and necromancy is shown in the decrees of the Council of Paderborn, which, in 785, explicitly outlawed condemning people as witches and condemned to death anyone who burnt a witch.
The Lombard code of 643 states:
"Let nobody presume to kill a foreign serving maid or female servant as a witch, for it is not possible, nor ought to be believed by Christian minds."[15]
This conforms to the teachings of the Canon Episcopi of circa 900 AD (alleged to date from 314 AD), which, following the thoughts of Augustine of Hippo, stated that witchcraft did not exist and that to teach that it was a reality was, itself, false and heterodox teaching. The Council of Frankfurt in 794, called by Charlemagne, was also very explicit in condemning "the persecution of alleged witches and wizards", calling the belief in witchcraft "superstitious", and ordering the death penalty for those who presumed to burn witches.[16]
Other examples include an Irish synod in 800,[17] and a sermon by Agobard of Lyons (810).[18]
King Kálmán (Coloman) of Hungary, in Decree 57 of his First Legislative Book (published in 1100 AD), banned witch hunting because he said, "witches do not exist".[19] The "Decretum" of Burchard, Bishop of Worms (about 1020), and especially its 19th book, often known separately as the "Corrector", is another work of great importance. Burchard was writing against the superstitious belief in magical potions, for instance, that may produce impotence or abortion. These were also condemned by several Church Fathers.[20] But he altogether rejected the possibility of many of the alleged powers with which witches were popularly credited. Such, for example, were nocturnal riding through the air, the changing of a person's disposition from love to hate, the control of thunder, rain, and sunshine, the transformation of a man into an animal, the intercourse of incubi and succubi with human beings and other such superstitions. Not only the attempt to practice such things, but the very belief in their possibility, is treated by Burchard as false and superstitious.
Pope Gregory VII, in 1080, wrote to King Harald III of Denmark forbidding witches to be put to death upon presumption of their having caused storms or failure of crops or pestilence. Neither were these the only examples of an effort to prevent unjust suspicion to which such poor creatures might be exposed.[note 1]
On many different occasions, ecclesiastics who spoke with authority did their best to disabuse the people of their superstitious belief in witchcraft. This, for instance, is the general purport of the book, Contra insulsam vulgi opinionem de grandine et tonitruis ("Against the foolish belief of the common sort concerning hail and thunder"), written by Agobard (d. 841), Archbishop of Lyons.[21] A comparable situation in Russia is suggested in a sermon by Serapion of Vladimir (written in 1274/5), where the popular superstition of witches causing crop failures is denounced.[22]’’


http://www.pctii.org/cyberj/cyberj10/onyinah.html
‘As was done in the past, protection from witchcraft activities has become a common concern.* Formerly such protection was sought from the priests of the gods or from sorcerers and medicine men.* From the early part of the twentieth century, however, a variety of exorcistic activities (anti-witchcraft shrine) have dominated African states.* Even when the colonial regimes suppressed witchcraft activities because they thought they hampered progress, they re-emerged within the Ingenious African Churches and later in a form of movement within the classical Pentecostal churches.[if !supportFootnotes][13][endif]* As soon as one of these movements expends itself, another of a similar nature springs up with a larger following.** As a result, at present, almost all churches include exorcistic activities, referred to as ‘deliverance’[if !supportFootnotes][14][endif] in their programmes, since failure to do so amounts to losing members to churches that include such activities.* Thus some scholars now observe the ‘Pentecostalisation’ of Christianity in Africa.[if !supportFootnotes][15][endif]’
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Recovered Memory Therapy used in troubled teen facilities

Lifespan Integration is an example of one of the newer Repressed/Recovered Memory therapeutic models.

"LI is body-based, and combines active imagination, the juxtaposition of ego states in time, and a visual time line of memories to facilitate neural integration and rapid healing. During the integrating phase of the protocol, the client ‘views’ a memory image for each year of his or her life. The Lifespan Integration technique causes memories to surface spontaneously, and because of how memories are held neurologically, each memory which surfaces is related to the emotional theme or issue being targeted. [...]

Excerpt of a client's review of LI therapy and the clinician who practiced it:


Some of you might be interested in knowing that Norm Thibault (scroll down a bit), formerly of Liahona Academy and Cross Creek Programs is practicing Lifespan Integration on at-risk adolescents at Three Points Center in Utah.

Three Points Center looks like an ordinary, reputable treatment facility, but it is part of a network of abusive programs (including Liahona) that make up the Troubled Teen Industry. It's located at the site of the former Cross Creek Programs which was shut down due to abuse allegations and lawsuits, with key staff members from Cross Creek and from other facilities in the same network. This practice -- opening a "new" program after one has been shut down, and selecting staff from the same group of people who work within the network -- is extremely common among these facilities.

Three Points Center, like many other Troubled Teen facilities, also subscribes to the Reactive Attachment Disorder diagnosis, which is perhaps even more highly criticized than Dissociative Identity Disorder, and the notably dangerous Attachment Therapy. (The horrific beating endured by Bobby Vernon, which left him in a vegetative state, was a direct result of his foster parents' use of attachment therapy and their rabid belief in Satanic Ritual Abuse)

Jean Mercer, an advocate fighting against dangerous forms of therapy, had this to say about RAD:

(source)

Jean Mercer said:
"The material in this clip conveys to the public a view of Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD) that belongs to 'fringe' therapists and is not shared by professionals with serious training in psychology," Mercer wrote ABC. "In addition, this view has been used to support the use of potentially harmful interventions with children ... The opening scenes of the clip appear to show a method called 'holding therapy' or 'attachment therapy', which was strongly rejected in 2006 by a joint task force of the American Psychological Association (APA) and the American Professional Society on Abuse of Children (APSAC). This method has been associated with child deaths and injuries."


Also, in 2014 Trinity Hunt Partners, owners of the notorious Castlewood Treatment Center, acquired Family Help and Wellness, a company which currently owns 11 Troubled Teen/Tough Love facilities, many of which are confirmed as abusive.

A bit more about that in this post.
 
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Thank you, Dismember, for your work trying to bring this abuse to light.

I appreciate the kind words, Orphia. I know we all want to see abuse, in all its forms, eradicated.

What really drew me in were the striking parallels between that problem and this one. The same elements that got me interested in this issue also exist in the Tough Love/Troubled Teen industry. I see it as a variation of the same problem.

Edited to add that the former program residents I spoke with were very familiar with Mercy Multiplied (known as "Mercy Ministries" until a few months ago). Apparently Mercy Multiplied is pretty widely known and recognized as part of this abusive industry.
 
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No I didn't. I didn't think it would do any good. The lack of response to your email seems to be confirmation of my opinion.

There appears to be too much ambiguity about Haussler's position, and too much doubt about whether Mark Shurtleff himself would be willing to make a statement, which is what I think would be required. Such an appeal requires an unequivocal. irrefutable argument and statement of fact.*

in addition, the dismissal by the Department of Professional Licensing of the complaints against Byington weakens any such argument. [...]

Bringing back this little blast from the past (::sigh:: if only I had a time machine) to point out that, 3 years later, I've since learned that Mark Shurtleff never met a scam he didn't like. It's no surprise that Byington is able to get away with so much mischief in Utah.

The Salty Droid, a blogger who investigates MLM scams (and uses some colorful language, so this might be considered NSFW) has been calling out Shurtleff's shenanigans for quite awhile: Mark Shurtleff: Orange is the New Green

...including Shurtleff's role in the Troubled Teen Industry: Mark Shurtleff: For the Children

ETA: The Droid's excellent work in calling out scammers makes him a frequent target for complaints, and his website goes down on a fairly regular basis. Here are archives of the posts I linked above (minus the embedded video): Orange is the New Green, For the Children
 
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travel to the developing world, in Indonesia witchcraft is a real thing in daily life, whether you are Hindu, Muslim or Christian,
drives me NUTS
 
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/accordingtomatthew/2016/06/the-satanic-temple-sent-observers-to-a-ritual-abuse-survivors-conference-this-is-what-they-found/


Combatting child sexual abuse and human trafficking are unquestionably noble causes. It is for this reason that Grey Faction is so offended and distraught at seeing efforts toward such being co-opted by self-aggrandizing conspiracists. Predictably, when one calls “********” on lunatic claims of a Satanic mind-control conspiracy, the believers in such conspiracies conveniently cry out that in doing so, one is casting aspersions upon abuse victims. In this way, the conspiracists use victims of abuse as human shields against critical inquiry into their irrational, harmful claims.

While it is disturbing that Rape Crisis Counselling Centers would be party to propagating the lunacy put forward by Survivorship, it is nothing short of outrageous that licensed Mental Health professionals are granted Continuing Education Units for attending Survivorship conferences. Our agencies of Mental Health oversight are failing us dramatically.
 
It truly is an outrage that anyone can get continuing education credits for attending one of these conferences.

13 signatures left on the petition to reach 1000!


For his part, Neil Brick has offered a "rebuttal" to our petition against him, which, unfortunately for him, only serves to affirm everything we've claimed to begin with. For instance, after objecting to our use of words such as "paranoid" to describe his narrative of Satanic Ritual Abuse and Government Mind-Control, Neil Brick goes on to explain that the electromagnetic beam-blocking hats his conference were selling were "sold for health reasons," and that Grey Faction blew "this one thing totally out of proportion to attack and insult the [...] ritual abuse conferences."


Neil Brick claims our complaint about him is "factually inaccurate," yet he doesn't actually contest a single fact. Rather, he does his pathetic best to justify his lunacy. For example, in reply to the fact that he claims to have raped and killed while under the influence of mind-control, Neil Brick explains (referring to himself, as always, in the third person), "Neil Brick does write about being forced as a small child to kill in a cult. This was against his will and many others have written about being forced to kill as children in cults and gangs." He goes on to assure readers, "It is incorrect to extrapolate this further as an issue of moral character or adult competency." However, when Neil Brick claims that he would rape and kill under the influence of mind-control, and when he expresses fear that people merely touching their faces today can "trigger" his mind-control programming, his adult competency most certainly must be brought to question.



P.S. LOL at the shielding socks picture on the main page!
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Combatting child sexual abuse and human trafficking are unquestionably noble causes. It is for this reason that Grey Faction is so offended and distraught at seeing efforts toward such being co-opted by self-aggrandizing conspiracists. Predictably, when one calls “********” on lunatic claims of a Satanic mind-control conspiracy, the believers in such conspiracies conveniently cry out that in doing so, one is casting aspersions upon abuse victims. In this way, the conspiracists use victims of abuse as human shields against critical inquiry into their irrational, harmful claims.

Quite some time ago in this very thread I think I brought up the existence of this exact problem as I encountered it in a child abuse survivor support group I once spent some time with. This was not a group dedicated to satanic cults, ritual abuse, alien abductions or any such thing - it was strictly a child abuse support group. The entire purpose of such a setting is to provide a place for people to tell their stories and otherwise express themselves on relevant topics without worrying about being "judged", or made to feel their honesty was being questioned. It is, I've come to think, an irreparable vulnerability by nature of such groups and programs that occasionally people will post things they've read about cults and government sexual abuse conspiracies, or highly suspect "treatments" and "therapies", and these things go largely unchallenged because no abuse survivor wants to be the one to risk coming off looking like they're being a jerk toward another abuse survivor.
 
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... It is, I've come to think, an irreparable vulnerability by nature of such groups and programs that occasionally people will post things they've read about cults and government sexual abuse conspiracies, or highly suspect "treatments" and "therapies", and these things go largely unchallenged because no abuse survivor wants to be the one to risk coming off looking like they're being a jerk toward another abuse survivor.

That is sad, for truth likes nothing more than a challenge to better reveal its plumage.
 
The entire purpose of such a setting is to provide a place for people to tell their stories and otherwise express themselves on relevant topics without worrying about being "judged", or made to feel their honesty was being questioned. It is, I've come to think, an irreparable vulnerability by nature of such groups and programs that occasionally people will post things they've read about cults and government sexual abuse conspiracies, or highly suspect "treatments" and "therapies", and these things go largely unchallenged because no abuse survivor wants to be the one to risk coming off looking like they're being a jerk toward another abuse survivor.

This is why people promoting the "safe space" and "trigger warning" movements have far overstepped by trying to insist on such restrictions and censorship in public interactions. The "safe space" concept was, and is, valuable in a therapeutic group setting where vulnerable people are sorting through issues and/or trying to heal from psychologically traumatic events. I doubt anyone would deny that such "safe" places are sometimes necessary and helpful. In that context it is appropriate to suspend judgement and keep skepticism to ourselves.

When deeply misguided social justice advocates attempt to encroach on public discourse and even legal investigative procedures by proclaiming that skepticism and a thorough investigation "re-victimizes" accusers or self-identified victims, they leave the door wide open for the Neil Bricks and Alison Millers of the world. :mad:
 
This is why people promoting the "safe space" and "trigger warning" movements have far overstepped by trying to insist on such restrictions and censorship in public interactions. The "safe space" concept was, and is, valuable in a therapeutic group setting where vulnerable people are sorting through issues and/or trying to heal from psychologically traumatic events. I doubt anyone would deny that such "safe" places are sometimes necessary and helpful. In that context it is appropriate to suspend judgement and keep skepticism to ourselves.

When deeply misguided social justice advocates attempt to encroach on public discourse and even legal investigative procedures by proclaiming that skepticism and a thorough investigation "re-victimizes" accusers or self-identified victims, they leave the door wide open for the Neil Bricks and Alison Millers of the world. :mad:

QFT.
 
Hi all. I actually joined this forum because of this thread. I can't remember exactly what google search led me to this, might have been sylvia browne's son, but just spent a week reading everything. First question, is the facebook group still up and active? 2nd, did Robert ever do the Q&A he was planning? Are there any interesting updates? Is the crazy argument still going on over at Amazon?
 
This is why people promoting the "safe space" and "trigger warning" movements have far overstepped by trying to insist on such restrictions and censorship in public interactions. The "safe space" concept was, and is, valuable in a therapeutic group setting where vulnerable people are sorting through issues and/or trying to heal from psychologically traumatic events. I doubt anyone would deny that such "safe" places are sometimes necessary and helpful. In that context it is appropriate to suspend judgement and keep skepticism to ourselves.

When deeply misguided social justice advocates attempt to encroach on public discourse and even legal investigative procedures by proclaiming that skepticism and a thorough investigation "re-victimizes" accusers or self-identified victims, they leave the door wide open for the Neil Bricks and Alison Millers of the world. :mad:

Salud! Well said.
 

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