Executive Order vs Decree

[funk de fino]

http://www.conapri.org/english/ArticleDetailIV.asp?articleid=316533&CategoryId2=16036

The individuals who constituted a PYMI or a UPS are the subjects of this law.
and not the general populace, like you claimed.

Who starts new business? Venezuelan citizens. Any who want to start a new business or have a business already are affectd by this law. I said this law affected small business and they are started and run by members of the general populace are they not?

I have already supplied you with a decree that affected everyone in the country.

 

[funk de fino]

small business owners.

Are they all foreigners that start them?

 

[timhau]

I want my million dollars. I saw a thread named "Executive Order vs. Decree" on the forum front page, and it listed funk de fino as the latest contributor. I said to myself: "This sounds like a thread that Dictator Cheney would start."

I want my million dollars.

 

[DC]

ok im off to work now, tonight we can talk about the Landreforms, make sure you informed yourself, so you dont claim wrong things again

 

[funk de fino]

aah now its back to the law that is not law.
it does not apply to the general populace because it is not law.

it did when it was.

The "ruling by decree Dictator" overstepped his powers and had to go a step back.

he made a huge mistake and realised this was a mistake so he had to go back and amend it and then rescind it. Under great pressure.

i dont know how this helps you.

Because it was a decree that was passed by Chavez that affected the general populace. You asked for proof of this and I gave you it. You tried to deny it and now you accept it cause it was rescinded?

Is this decree law now in venezuela?

I never said it was did I? I said it was a decree he passed.

 

[funk de fino]

ok im off to work now, tonight we can talk about the Landreforms, make sure you informed yourself, so you dont claim wrong things again

All you need to do is tell me if it was a decree?

 

[funk de fino]

I want my million dollars. I saw a thread named "Executive Order vs. Decree" on the forum front page, and it listed funk de fino as the latest contributor. I said to myself: "This sounds like a thread that Dictator Cheney would start."

I want my million dollars.

capitalist pig, we should all get a million dollars

 

[Beerina]

I was unaware the general public went to jail for violating an executive order.

 

[DC]

Who starts new business? Venezuelan citizens. Any who want to start a new business or have a business already are affectd by this law. I said this law affected small business and they are started and run by members of the general populace are they not?

I have already supplied you with a decree that affected everyone in the country.

with that twist, i can also say, Executive Order 13233 is also applying to the general populace. it is limiting acces to Information. Who wants information? the General populace.

the law that would have affected everyone in the country is not a law.
because he overstepped the line that was drawn to limit his powers.

 

[DC]

All you need to do is tell me if it was a decree?

Mission Zamora was enabled with a decree.

who does it apply to? the landowners or the general populace?

does it apply to all Landowners?

 

[DC]

I was unaware the general public went to jail for violating an executive order.

I was unaware the Venezuelan general populace is in jail.

 

[funk de fino]

with that twist, i can also say, Executive Order 13233 is also applying to the general populace. it is limiting acces to Information. Who wants information? the General populace.

I am not defending or supporting executive orders. try again.

the law that would have affected everyone in the country is not a law. because he overstepped the line that was drawn to limit his powers.

He passed it. Yes or No?

He tried to amend it but because of outcry he had to rescind it. If there had been no outcry and dissent he would have left it in place. you are dodging.

 

[DC]

An EO cannot overturn established law and an EO can and has been overturned by the courts. A decree has the full weight of law behind it and cannot be overturned by any court.

In Venezuela, a Decree can be overturned by the National Assembly, the Supreme Court and by a referendum, a referendum can be started by every Venezuelan who has a right to vote.

 

[DC]

I am not defending or supporting executive orders. try again.



He passed it. Yes or No?

He tried to amend it but because of outcry he had to rescind it. If there had been no outcry and dissent he would have left it in place. you are dodging.

yes

How do you know what chavez would have done when there would not have been an outcry?

 

[funk de fino]

Mission Zamora was enabled with a decree.

So he passes laws by decree.

who does it apply to? the landowners or the general populace?

It initially applied to state land, then to private landowners. Those private landowners are part of the general populace. Anyone who has private land can be affected by that decree.

does it apply to all Landowners?

see above.

I was unaware the Venezuelan general populace is in jail.

Some of them are.

 

[DC]

So he passes laws by decree.



It initially applied to state land, then to private landowners. Those private landowners are part of the general populace. Anyone who has private land can be affected by that decree.



see above.



Some of them are.

i told you, inform yourself

your post is factually wrong.

 

[DC]

But i must say i liked the Bolivian way more. they asked the people what the upper limit of land one can own, should be.

 

[funk de fino]

In Venezuela, a Decree can be overturned by the National Assembly, the Supreme Court and by a referendum, a referendum can be started by every Venezuelan who has a right to vote.

I have already shown you where he said he would ignore the Supreme court and a referendum.

yes

Thats all you had to say. he passed a decree that affeted every citizen in venezuela. Thank you.

How do you know what chavez would have done when there would not have been an outcry?

Why did he pass it in the first place?

 

[DC]

I have already shown you where he said he would ignore the Supreme court and a referendum.

yes and i debunked that twist of yours.

Venezuela's Supreme Court today suspended a referendum scheduled for Feb. 2 on President Hugo Chávez's rule, dealing a blow to the broad coalition of government opponents who had hoped that the vote, though nonbinding, might force him to resign.

Thats all you had to say. he passed a decree that affeted every citizen in venezuela. Thank you.



Why did he pass it in the first place?

How should i know why he passed it?
did he lie when he claimed it to be a misstake?

 

[funk de fino]

i told you, inform yourself

your post is factually wrong.

No. It is not. I will bold the important part for you.

Anyone who has private land can be affected by that decree

Not all will be, or even is, but all could be, depending on what land they own, how much, if it is fallow, if Chavez thinks it was stolen or not hundreds of years ago.