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Executive Order vs Decree

No, from one of my links.




have a look at the names it may give you a clue.



Like your claims about Bush instigating the coup orthe CIA being involved. You have treid to say he has notpassed laws under a decree. You are wrong. He did and they affect the populace of Venezuela.



I have not dropped it so yet again you have told lies. I have asked you to take a look at the list I gae you and see if you can guess. It's childs play surely?



says the man who used wiki and UK based media. You, DC, are a hypocrite




Do you think it was? I don't.

Was the land reform law done under decree?

You also missed this.



You conveniently seem to be missing more and more of my posts.

you are a liar.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/3825
here you found the list. and this is the link i gave you.....
liar.

and now tell me exactly what law did apply to small busssines owners.

and your attempt to derail, the referndum, was ansered. it is not the same.
if you want more details about the details, make a new thread.

can you now backup your claim?
i guess not.
 
you are a liar.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/3825
here you found the list. and this is the link i gave you.....
liar.

You know. When you lie it is easy to show. I googled for that list I did not even see it on your link. Please prove I used a link you gave to me? Are you claiming that you gave me that page or just that website?

DC said:
and now tell me exactly what law did apply to small busssines owners.

I have already told you it is in the title. I am not going to hold your hand. One more try.

DC said:
and your attempt to derail, the referndum, was ansered. it is not the same. if you want more details about the details, make a new thread.

Not a derail. It was a decree was it not? He has asked the people of Venezuela to vote on the Term Limits twice in one term has he not?

DC said:
can you now backup your claim?
i guess not.

What claim?

PS You missed again. Was the land reform law done under decree?
 
You know. When you lie it is easy to show. I googled for that list I did not even see it on your link. Please prove I used a link you gave to me? Are you claiming that you gave me that page or just that website?



I have already told you it is in the title. I am not going to hold your hand. One more try.



Not a derail. It was a decree was it not? He has asked the people of Venezuela to vote on the Term Limits twice in one term has he not?



What claim?

PS You missed again. Was the land reform law done under decree?


more lies and still no backup for your claims...

take your time to find something to backup your claim.
 
more lies and still no backup for your claims...

take your time to find something to backup your claim.

Your handwaves are getting shorter.

I have already backed up any claim I have made. You just refuse to see it.

Pick one of the laws above. It should be easy it is in the title.

And again. Was the land reform law done under decree?
 
Your handwaves are getting shorter.

I have already backed up any claim I have made. You just refuse to see it.

Pick one of the laws above. It should be easy it is in the title.

And again. Was the land reform law done under decree?

you are a liar, and you did quote stuff from articles that was not sourced in the article nor in the blog you also quoted. Nor do you have a clue about what law they talked, you still did not provide the text of the law, so we could take a look if your claims or quotes are correct.

after you backed up your stuff, we can go further to the Landreform. this will be very interesting.

but first backup your stuff
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Changing names for the purpose of insults is considered uncivil. Please refrain. In fact, a little more civility all around might save more threads from AAH.
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you are a liar, and you did quote stuff from articles that was not sourced in the article nor in the blog you also quoted. Nor do you have a clue about what law they talked, you still did not provide the text of the law, so we could take a look if your claims or quotes are correct.

after you backed up your stuff, we can go further to the Landreform. this will be very interesting.

but first backup your stuff
Edited by Tricky: 
<Edited for civility>

Changing names for the purpose of insults is considered uncivil. Please refrain. In fact, a little more civility all around might save more threads from AAH.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

Now now, you have to get tetchy when I show you have lied. This shows you have already lost the argument.

I gave you a list of the laws from a google search I did. You claimed it was from a link you gave me. This was at best a mistake but more likely a lie as you never gave me a link to that page. You may have thought you gave me a link to that website but if you think I have never seen that site before then you are sadly mistaken or niaive.

This OP was asking about Executive order versus decrees. You were trying to insinuate that they were the same and other showed you they were not.

You then asked what laws Chevez passed under decree. I showed you them. You admited he passed them. I showed you that they affected the populace and you started gibbering and missing out questions you could not answer. Then you have to resort to namecalling. Game over.

Chavez passed laws under decree. One of them affected small business. One of them affected intelligence and how the populace had to interact with the relevant agencies/militia. I gave you the list so you could see the laws. You could not even tell from the titles which one affected small business. That is not my problem. You are moving your position and then claiming I have made grand claims. I have showed you everything you needed to know from blogs from other links and from Chavez own words. You, in the past, have linked to wiki, govt propoganda sites, western media etc etc. You the have the nerve to accuse me of using biased western media when I am using things like al jazeera!!

As you seem to be incapable of reading things correctly, here is the decree affecting small business.

Decree No. 6,215 - Law for the Promotion and Development of Small and Medium Industry and Units of Social Production

You will note I have bolded the important parts.

Now, was the land reform passed under a decree?
 
Now now, you have to get tetchy when I show you have lied. This shows you have already lost the argument.

I gave you a list of the laws from a google search I did. You claimed it was from a link you gave me. This was at best a mistake but more likely a lie as you never gave me a link to that page. You may have thought you gave me a link to that website but if you think I have never seen that site before then you are sadly mistaken or niaive.

This OP was asking about Executive order versus decrees. You were trying to insinuate that they were the same and other showed you they were not.

You then asked what laws Chevez passed under decree. I showed you them. You admited he passed them. I showed you that they affected the populace and you started gibbering and missing out questions you could not answer. Then you have to resort to namecalling. Game over.

Chavez passed laws under decree. One of them affected small business. One of them affected intelligence and how the populace had to interact with the relevant agencies/militia. I gave you the list so you could see the laws. You could not even tell from the titles which one affected small business. That is not my problem. You are moving your position and then claiming I have made grand claims. I have showed you everything you needed to know from blogs from other links and from Chavez own words. You, in the past, have linked to wiki, govt propoganda sites, western media etc etc. You the have the nerve to accuse me of using biased western media when I am using things like al jazeera!!

As you seem to be incapable of reading things correctly, here is the decree affecting small business.



You will note I have bolded the important parts.

Now, was the land reform passed under a decree?

ok lets assume you did google it.

you still do not provide the law itself. by its title it is not clear that it is applying to the general populace.

Law for the Promotion and Development of Small and Medium Industry and Units of Social Production

how is this law, applying to the general populance?
what is this law about? what does it require the general populace to do?

You claim it is applying to the general populace. So please provide the text to this law, so we can have a look if your claim is correct.

once you did that, we can go to the landreform :)
 
just in case you still did not find an english source for the laws.

CONAPRI might help :)
 
ok lets assume you did google it.

Thats not an apology.

DC said:
you still do not provide the law itself. by its title it is not clear that it is applying to the general populace.

Who owns small business? Who said I had to supply the law itself.

You are avoiding the facts in this post that he is passing decrees. Thats what I claimed and I have shown this. You admitted it. I have shown you that some of them apply to the populace of venezuela. Now you just keep moving the goalposts and asking for things that are not needed.

DC said:
how is this law, applying to the general populance?
what is this law about? what does it require the general populace to do?

You claim it is applying to the general populace. So please provide the text to this law, so we can have a look if your claim is correct.

It applies to small business/medium business which are owned by venezuelan citizens. Yes or no?

DC said:
once you did that, we can go to the landreform :)

Was land reform a decree?
 
just in case you still did not find an english source for the laws.

CONAPRI might help :)

I do not need you to show me links. I want you to do your own research. I know what it says. I know what it applies to.

Is Chavez trying to have a vote on term limits twice in one session?

Was the land reform a decree?
 
Thats not an apology.



Who owns small business? Who said I had to supply the law itself.

You are avoiding the facts in this post that he is passing decrees. Thats what I claimed and I have shown this. You admitted it. I have shown you that some of them apply to the populace of venezuela. Now you just keep moving the goalposts and asking for things that are not needed.



It applies to small business/medium business which are owned by venezuelan citizens. Yes or no?



Was land reform a decree?

I will not appology, because i dont belive a word you wrote about you googled it. but that doesnt mather.

i asked several times to provide the law. so we can see if your claim , that it is applying to the general populace, is correct or wrong.

and still you fail to prove your claim. Just post the law, i even told you where you can find it in english.

i got told here that "ruling by decree" is passing laws that do apply to the general populace.

and sofar you was not able to prove that.

prove your claim and we can go to the landreform.
i hope you informed you about the landreform, and did not just take the stuff from some unsourced news articles or blogs.
 
I do not need you to show me links. I want you to do your own research. I know what it says. I know what it applies to.

Is Chavez trying to have a vote on term limits twice in one session?

Was the land reform a decree?

no you have no clue what it says, because you never did read the full text of the law lol. or you would not claim such nonsence.....
 
I will not appology, because i dont belive a word you wrote about you googled it. but that doesnt mather.

If you did not give me a link to the page you said you did then it is you who lied. I showed you the page I used. Stop being childish.

DC said:
i asked several times to provide the law. so we can see if your claim , that it is applying to the general populace, is correct or wrong.

Who owns small business?

DC said:
and still you fail to prove your claim. Just post the law, i even told you where you can find it in english.

I do not need you to show me. I do not have to post it.

DC said:
i got told here that "ruling by decree" is passing laws that do apply to the general populace.

And I showed you decrees that apply to the populace. The Intelligence one that he revoked was one such decree.

DC said:
and sofar you was not able to prove that.

Yes, I have, and you just handwaved it away.

DC said:
prove your claim and we can go to the landreform.
i hope you informed you about the landreform, and did not just take the stuff from some unsourced news articles or blogs.

I have a link to the decree and I have another link to another page about that decree. It affects small business does it not?

I do not have to supply anything to you and even when I do you handwave it or call me a liar for using your sources even though you did not give me them. Very hypocritical when you look at your sources, they are nothing better than any of mine.
 
no you have no clue what it says, because you never did read the full text of the law lol. or you would not claim such nonsence.....

Oh yes I do.

Is Chavez trying to have a vote on term limits twice in one session?

Was the land reform a decree?
 
Oh yes I do.

Is Chavez trying to have a vote on term limits twice in one session?

Was the land reform a decree?

Law for Promotion and Development of the Small and Medium Industry and Social Production Units

The law is based on a communal empowerment development framework through the PYMI and Social Production Units (UPS) as a source for self sustainable development. These production schemes must be conceived in a social production model. Its main goal is to promote and finance PYMIs and UPSs in order to produce goods and services that satisfy the community’s needs and also considering social, cultural, exchange and solidarity distribution values. To achieve this goal, the law tries to adapt the National Institute for Small and Middle Size Industry’s (Inapymi) structure to the new socio-productive model and to do so, there are two support systems: the information system for small and middle size industries and social property units and the Unique Booth, which will work through a technology platform that allows a suitable access to these field’s interested parties.


To certificate that the public resources are managed and administrated in a suitable manner. Additionally to these plans, the law also creates the PYMI Observatory.


Some of this law’s purposes are: to develope the installed capacity of PYMIs and UPSs. Grant technical assistance and financing on all their phases. Promote PYMIs and UPSs access to goods and services as well as work executions. Guarantee financing through the mechanisms provided for by the law. Regulate Inapymi functions.


The individuals who constituted a PYMI or a UPS are the subjects of this law.


The law defines PYMIs as: “all legally organized unit in order to develop an economic productive model through the transformation of raw materials into consumables, into manufactured or semi-manufactured industrial goods directed to the community’s needs satisfaction”. (Art.5. Number 1).


The law classifies PYMIs in the following categories: Small industry, up to 50 workers/ Annual Turnover up to 100.000 TU and the Middle sized industry, up to 100 workers/ Annual Turnover up to 250.000 TU.


Social UPSs are defined as: “Group of social and participative nature such as: cooperatives, communal councils, family productive units and any other association whatsoever that may arise from the community and which purpose is to carry out any productive economic, financial or legal trade activity, through a planned, coordinated and voluntary work, as an expression of consciousness and commitment to the people, contributing therefore to the community development, where the collective benefit prevails over the production of capital and guaranteeing benefit distributions among its members, finally influencing positively on the communities’ sustainable development”. (Art. 5, Number 2).


The law provides the PYMIs and UPS’s duties regarding the promotion of production integration mechanisms, worker training, production levels improvement and the employees' life quality, environment protection, cooperation with public institutions, community inclusion, cooperative joint work, raw materials, equipment, and domestic engines use, internal consumption.


The law foresees the creation of finance measures and mechanisms for PYMI
and UPSs. On the other hand, the President may grant a preferential tax to capital profit’s obtained on Investment projects between the PYMI and UPSs, either domestic or foreign, that include the purchase of goods or the service rendering producing joint investments. There may also be a total or partial exoneration of domestic taxes generated by said activities without colliding with the disposition set forth by the law on investment issues.


Article 13th states that the Ministry for Popular Empowerment which is competent in issues such as communal economy, will promote the creation of associative nets that allow the participation of great industries on the development of joint programs for integral improvement and which will ease the incorporation of PYMIs and UPS within an industrial complementarity and cooperation.


The law foresees a National Strategic Plan of PYMI and UPS development in order to orientate their management. The law also contemplates the creation of a Planning Committee which will define said plan and will be responsible for law compliance.

http://www.conapri.org/english/ArticleDetailIV.asp?articleid=316533&CategoryId2=16036

The individuals who constituted a PYMI or a UPS are the subjects of this law.
and not the general populace, like you claimed.
 
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/3534

In a surprise announcement, Venezuela’s President Chavez said that the recently implemented law on the National Intelligence System contained several “errors” and would be revised. The law had received much criticism from the opposition and from human rights groups, for violating constitutional guarantees.

“For example, article 16 of the law, is a mistake and it is not a small mistake,” said Chavez on Saturday, during the swearing-in ceremony for his party’s candidates for the November regional elections. Chavez said the intelligence services cannot oblige someone to inform on someone else. Such an act would be an “overstepping” of the intelligence service’s boundaries. “I assume responsibility” for having made this error, added Chavez.

This law directly affected all citizens of veuezuela. He had to change it and recscind it under great pressure. It was a decree.
 
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/3534





This law directly affected all citizens of veuezuela. He had to change it and recscind it under great pressure. It was a decree.

aah now its back to the law that is not law.
it does not apply to the general populace because it is not law.

The "ruling by decree Dictator" overstepped his powers and had to go a step back.

i dont know how this helps you.

Is this decree law now in venezuela?
 

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