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E.U. tells USA what it wants

dudalb said:
EJ has endlessly said his quarrel is not with the US but with the Bush Adminsitration, but I see he is already finding reasons to hate the US under an Obama Administration. Can't say I am surprised in the least.
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Evidence?
 
RandFan said:
It wasn't invented by any one person. Vladimir K. Zworykin and Philo T. Farnsworth (an American) were instrumental in the invention of the TV. And Philo won the right to say that in court.
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I notice hat you provided not support for your assertion. In reality the inventor of television was John Logie Baird. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logie_Baird, and http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/baird_logie.shtml '...Baird was a Scottish engineer, most famous for being the first person to demonstrate a working television. ...' I can understand people trying to take credit for the work of others but its not very sceptical is it?

No one person really but it is largely attributed to Tim Berners-Lee working for CERN however the foundation for the web predate Lee and the commercialization of the web was thoroughly American and Al Gore actually did have something to do with that.
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At least you managed to mention the inventor this time. Congratulations. See '...The inventor of the world wide web, Tim Berners-Lee, has been awarded a knighthood for his pioneering work. ...' from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3357073.stm.

Antonio Meucci but Bell Labs working in America brought the invention to the masses by innovating many other critical aspects.
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Possibly but once agin you fail to provide any evidence for your assertion. The actual inventor was born in Scotland.

See '...Born 3 March 1847
Edinburgh, Scotland, UK...'
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell He eventually was granted American citizenship.

The USA did eventually catch up in some areas such as rocketry where it employed Nazis who had supervised slave labour and the deaths of thousands of people at Peenemunde.
 
Skeptic said:
The story -- as presented by E J Armstrong -- is "EU tells USA how evil and stupid it is, but will take its money".

Of course, that's *his* view of the EU's claim. It is not necessarily what the EU is saying.
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Once again your mendacity is evident. You put some words of your own invention into quotes and then pretend they are mine.

You were well known for that type of anti-sceptical activity before and I see that you are keeping up your sad MO.

I am happy to highlight that you are still at it and that your quotes simply cannot be believed.

Pip pip
 
fuelair said:
E. J. you miss the important point for many of us. We do not necessarily support the torture etc. but no other country is going to tell us how to handle the problem (and get any noticible results)- we started that by voting the rascals out.
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Perhaps I have indeed missed something.

Where have you requested that the US torturers be arrested for their crimes against humanity? I must indeed have missed it but am very happy to be put right. Perhaps you can direct me to all those posts?

If you want to know what other countries are going to do about the US torturers then I simply issue an invitation to all the people who authorised, set up, managed and carried out the US torture programme to visit the UK and other EU states. Then we'll see how its handled, because it seems you have no intention of doing anything other than letting them get away with it.

When the torturers reach our shores you simply won't have any say in the matter.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
I notice hat you provided not support for your assertion.
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Television wasn't invented by a single person.

Television History

Television was not invented by a single inventor, instead many people working together and alone over the years, contributed to the evolution of television.
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You are ignorant of history, obviously and you didn't bother to read my link.

At least you managed to mention the inventor this time.
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Doesn't change my point. Doesn't change it at all. Guess why America doesn't have to pu .us at the end of the URL? Now, guess why the UK has to pu .uk at the end?

Never mind Edison, America has innovated and put into use most of the great inventions of the last century including the phone. Bell Labs is in the US. So is Sillicon Valley.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
Indeed. Let's dispense with people trying to deny inventors their proper recognition.
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Did you even read my link or are you simply sticking your fingers in your ears and humming?

Here's another link that tells the same story.

Who is the invento of Television?

On December 2, 1922, in Sorbonne, France, Edwin Belin, an Englishman, who held the patent for the transmission of photographs by wire as well as fiber optics and radar, demonstrated a mechanical scanning device that was an early precursor to modern television. Belin’s machine took flashes of light and directed them at a selenium element connected to an electronic device that produced sound waves. These sound waves could be received in another location and remodulated into flashes of light on a mirror.

The credit as to who was the inventor of modern television really comes down to two different people in two different places both working on the same problem at about the same time: Vladimir Kosma Zworykin, a Russian-born American inventor working for Westinghouse, and Philo Taylor Farnsworth, a privately backed farm boy from the state of Utah.
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Here's a hint E.J. You don't use the technology that Belin developed. You DO use the technology developed by Farnsworth.
 
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RandFan said:
Television wasn't invented by a single person.
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Television was invented by John Logie Baird. Please see my links above.

You are ignorant of history, obviously and you didn't bother to read my link.
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I see that you to are finding it difficult to post without hurling personal abuse. I told you about making assertions without providing a single bit of evidence to support. I have already challenged you to support one claim today and as yet you have failed to do so. Now you are at it again so I will have to teach you yet another lesson.

I challenge you to provide evidence that I am ignorant of history simply because I have provided links to support my claims? if you want to run away again feel free.

Doesn't change my point. Doesn't change it at all. Guess why America doesn't have to pu .us at the end of the URL? Now, guess why the UK has to pu .uk at the end?

Never mind Edison, America has innovated and put into use most of the great inventions of the last century including the phone. Bell Labs is in the US. So is Sillicon Valley.
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What has that got to do with anything - never mind with Tim Berners Lee inventing the world wide web?

Who denied what Edison did? You're the only one currently trying to deny inventors their due.

So the US has taken other people's inventions and exploited them? Who claimed they hadn't? What is your point? Is it jealousy?
 
RandFan said:
Did you even read my link or are you simply sticking your fingers in your ears and humming?

Here's another link that tells the same story.



Here's a hint E.J. You don't use the technology that Belin developed. You DO use the technology developed by Farnsworth.
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When are you going to support your latest allegation? We are all still waiting.

Who siad anything about subsequent developments in television? i quite clearly stated and supported my statement with links that John Logie Baird invented television.

'...John Logie Baird (August 13, 1888 – June 14, 1946) was a Scottish engineer and inventor of the world's first working television system. ...' from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logie_Baird

You simply can't rewrite history. I recommend that you actually read what wikipedia actually says. John Logie Baird was the inventor of the first working television system.

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When are you going to support your claim about me?
Please stop running away yet again. Or not, as you will.

I invite you to report me for daring to quote your published words. That's what you do isn't it?
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
Who siad anything about subsequent developments in television?
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If you want to play that game.

Since Marconi’s invention of wireless telegraphy in 1897, the imagination of many inventors have been sparked with the notion of sending images as well as sound, wirelessly. The first documented notion of sending components of pictures over a series of multiple circuits is credited to George Carey. Another inventor, W. E. Sawyer, suggested the possibility of sending an image over a single wire by rapidly scanning parts of the picture in succession.
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There are you inventors.

Sheesh.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
I invite you to report me for daring to quote your published words. That's what you do isn't it?
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You know, you are very dishonest. You have made claims against me but refuse to back them up. You then hound me with silly demands for me to support my claims. If you break the rules I will report you.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
What has that got to do with anything - never mind with Tim Berners Lee inventing the world wide web?
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Answer the question why and you will have your answer. That you can't figure it out is proof of your ignorance.
 
You know what E.J. I'm damn sick of you. You are dishonest and a real jerk. Welcome to ignore.

:) That felt good.

Bye.
 
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E.J.Armstrong said:
What do you have to say about the US torture programme? Are you another supporter?
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By "the US torture programme" you mean the 3 people waterboarded in 8 years of Bush? And none since 2003? Which was banned in 2006?
 
RandFan said:
If you want to play that game.
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What game? Showing that you were wrong yet again.

John Logie Baird invented television. Other people later worked on the concept.

There are you inventors.

Sheesh.
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John Logie Baird invented the world's first working television system as testified to in the links I provided. That you refuse to acknowledge that simple fact is frankly bizarre.

See '...John Logie Baird is the Scottish inventor who obtained the world's first real television picture in his laboratory in October, 1925, and demonstrated it to the British public on January 26, 1926. The image obtained was a small 30-line vertically-scanned red and black image, but it was television. Mechanical television based on Baird's systems dominated international television for the next few years into the early 30's....'
from http://www.mztv.com/newframe.asp?content=http://www.mztv.com/baird.html

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When are you going to provide evidence for your claim?
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
It would send a clear signal to the world that torture is unacceptable, whoever is responsible and that human rights are important.
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Yeah, and that's just the way to do it, too, by sending a do-it-or-else ultimatum to someone who's willing to sit down and talk. You must really admire George W. Bush to imitate him like that.

Did you learn nothing from this election? Do you know there was an election?
 
E.J., One more thing for you to stick your fingers in your ears and hum. Belin wasn't the first one to come up with the idea of TV. That's a fact you now painfuly know. The point is that not everyone who comes up with ideas can impliment them. Belin's iovation of someone elses idea wasn't usable by anyone. It took other pioneers to make it workable. The same with the phone and the internet and many other ideas. Lots of people came to America because it was a place to bring ideas to fruition. That's why so many of the inventions of the last century were brought to fruition in America.

But I know, you are too arrogant to get that.
 
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