E.U. tells USA what it wants

A clearer signal that would also have a direct effect in reducing torture in the world would be if "the EU" stopped making torture equipment and selling it to anyone with the money.

Your suggestion is nothing more (at best) than gesture politics and wouldn't stop one person in the world being tortured.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
Are you serious when you suggest that to be pro american is to be pro torture?
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If you can quote me saying any such thing, please do. You seem to be the one asserting that defending the USA is the same as backing torture.
 
EJ has endlessly said his quarrel is not with the US but with the Bush Adminsitration, but I see he is already finding reasons to hate the US under an Obama Administration. Can't say I am surprised in the least.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
You do know who invented television don't you? Apparently not.
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It wasn't invented by any one person. Vladimir K. Zworykin and Philo T. Farnsworth (an American) were instrumental in the invention of the TV. And Philo won the right to say that in court.

You do know who invented the WWW don't you? Apparently not.
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No one person really but it is largely attributed to Tim Berners-Lee working for CERN however the foundation for the web predate Lee and the commercialization of the web was thoroughly American and Al Gore actually did have something to do with that.

You do know who invented the telephone, don't you? Apparently not.
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Antonio Meucci but Bell Labs working in America brought the invention to the masses by innovating many other critical aspects.
 
The story -- as presented by E J Armstrong -- is "EU tells USA how evil and stupid it is, but will take its money".

Of course, that's *his* view of the EU's claim. It is not necessarily what the EU is saying.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
I feel responsible for your apoplexy and apologise for daring to mention the torture policies of the USA.

In penance I have already draughted a letter to all human rights organisations around the world telling them to stop mentioning the US torture programme because Tailgater doesn't like it.

PS

What other things would you like human rights activists to stop mentioning?

PPS

What was it US founding fathers complained of?

Ah yes -

'... For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences...'

You must get really annoyed when you read the Declaration of Independence. How dare they complain about things the US now does as a matter of might.
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E. J. you miss the important point for many of us. We do not necessarily support the torture etc. but no other country is going to tell us how to handle the problem (and get any noticible results)- we started that by voting the rascals out.
 
fuelair said:
E. J. you miss the important point for many of us. We do not necessarily support the torture etc. but no other country is going to tell us how to handle the problem (and get any noticible results)- we started that by voting the rascals out.
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fuelair said:
E. J. you miss the important point for many of us. We do not necessarily support the torture etc. but no other country is going to tell us how to handle the problem (and get any noticible results)- we started that by voting the rascals out.
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Which is just what we told you to do ...
 
ravdin said:
Ah, more American bashing.

Don't go there. Otherwise I'll be forced to gloat about how our country is the best on the planet, and if it weren't for the USA, yours would almost certainly be a province of the Third Reich or the Soviet Empire.

You can also type away at your computer, send messages over the internet, perhaps chat on the phone later today, watch your TV, drive in your mass produced car, and wonder what else Americans have ever done for you.
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You know, I'm just catching up on this thread so someone may have pointed this out by now, and it's opening a can of worms as a wheen of people can claim rights, but the telephone and the television were invented by Scots. And you'll be using them thanks to those childhood diseases cured by penicillin, thank you very much.

Have I reminded you about the US navy yet?


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Architect said:
You know, I'm just catching up on this thread so someone may have pointed this out by now, and it's opening a can of worms as a wheen of people can claim rights, but the telephone and the television were invented by Scots.
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No one person invented the television.

Television History

Television was not invented by a single inventor, instead many people working together and alone over the years, contributed to the evolution of television.
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So let's dispense with that meme.
 
Darat said:
A clearer signal that would also have a direct effect in reducing torture in the world would be if "the EU" stopped making torture equipment and selling it to anyone with the money.

Your suggestion is nothing more (at best) than gesture politics and wouldn't stop one person in the world being tortured.
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I agree the EU should stop its invilvement in the sales of torture equipment.

I disagree that the suggestion would only be gesture politics.

The USA is a country that has a standing policy on torturing people when it wants.

The EU is tainted by association and I think the document laying out its requirements for future relations between the Us and the EU should contain explicit demands on the US's torture programme. Unless it does the EU inevitably sends a message that it accepts torture (and thereby breaking the Geneva Conventions) by its friends.

If we are seen to condone the breaking of the Geneva conventions by the USA we lay our soldiers open to similar abuse and torture.
 
ravdin said:
If you can quote me saying any such thing, please do. You seem to be the one asserting that defending the USA is the same as backing torture.
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You complained that I was American bashing. Given that I was criticising the torture activities of the US government. How could I be bashing Americans unless you thought they were all torturers?
 
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