Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

[Orphia Nay]

I agree! We need to get DID removed from the DSM.

And I am concerned about including FMS in the name because even though I am a contact for the FMSF the mere mention of FMS on the internet attracts the crazies like zombie moths to a satanic ritual bug bulb.

Cheers, Roma.

I really like the name, and think if we get too many crazies we should make it a closed group, and only let in big names amongst the DID crazies.

 

[Strawberry]

I agree! We need to get DID removed from the DSM.

And I am concerned about including FMS in the name because even though I am a contact for the FMSF the mere mention of FMS on the internet attracts the crazies like zombie moths to a satanic ritual bug bulb.

A small number of crazies on the page would be a good thing. If we start getting over run or if they become a distraction, I'll just remove them and change the group to closed.

 

[Orphia Nay]

You might also want to consider contacting the licensing office in UT. They have prosecuted such folk in the past.

The more people who file a complaint, the better chance there is that something will be done about this. You don't have to live in Utah and the form is real simple to fill out online. http://www.dopl.utah.gov/investigations/complaint.html

Case#: 62402

There is evidence she is soliciting people for her "therapy".

She uses her URL in any news story. She has not had a licence in 10 years and yet you see a statement like this on her site...scroll down a bit. How many more Jennys is she harming? http://22faces.com/contact/

She was also holding a seminar for which she was charging $50 on November 17th http://www.survivorship.org/webinars.html
Multiple Personality Formation and Functioning Webinar
This event is on 17 November 2012
“Multiple Personality Formation and Functioning”
Webinar by Judy Byington, MSW, LCSW, ret
An online webinar for survivors and professionals

And she admitted to doing a therapy session with Hill (forward to 15:38) http://kcpw.org/blog/cityviews/2012...man-multiple-personalitiesbullets-and-belles/
It would be helpful to cite specifics in the complaint.

When enough people complained a "life coach" in UT got slapped with a felony charge. What Judy is doing is so much more harmful than life-coaching. But nothing will be done if people don't complain. They only act on the complaints they receive...the more they get for a case, the more likely it is to get attention. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695229159/Therapy-coach-facing-charges-in-Utah-County.html?pg=all

Thanks very much for all that, Altus!

I just fired off an email to DOPL@utah.gov :

Judy Byington, MSW, LCSW retired is still giving therapy sessions.

She admits to giving a therapy session with Jenny Hill in July/August of this year, in this interview:

http://kcpw.org/blog/cityviews/2012...man-multiple-personalitiesbullets-and-belles/

(Listen at around 15:38 of the interview.)

Ms Byington has also been charging for webinar sessions:
http://www.survivorship.org/whatsnew.html

http://22faces.com/one-hour-webinars/

Ms Byington's most recent license (116473-3502) expired on September 30, 2000.


I hope you can put a stop to further examples of her behaviour. She is promoting the much-criticised sham psychology of Dissociative Identity Disorder and "Satanic Ritual Abuse", and her potential patients need to be protected.

Yours faithfully

 

[douglas mesner]

I detest FB and don't plan to get an account. Is there some platform other than FB that would work? I do use G+ but realize others don't.

High five to Orphia!

Maybe we should set up in G+ as well?

 

[Orphia Nay]

I detest FB and don't plan to get an account. Is there some platform other than FB that would work? I do use G+ but realize others don't.

High five to Orphia!

Hi Altus!

I understand your reticence at joining the evil beast that is the book of face, but it can be a force for good, like atheism.

29 members so far! Great work, guys!

http://www.facebook.com/groups/397091250367628/

 

[Orphia Nay]

Reading Wikipedia's page on the DSM, I find:

"The fifth edition ("DSM-5") is currently in consultation, planning and preparation, due for publication in May 2013.[1] The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD), produced by the World Health Organization (WHO), is another commonly used manual which includes criteria for mental disorders. This is in fact the official diagnostic system for mental disorders in the US, but is used more widely in Europe and other parts of the world."

I can't find any mention of Dissociative Identity Disorder in the ICD, after a bit of a search. It's certainly not in the "dissociative disorders" section:

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2010/en#/F44

If I knew how to pressure the DSM, I'd point out that fact, assuming I'm right.

ETA: Aw, damn, the ICD still lists Multiple Personality Disorder.

 

[pakeha]

Judy's reply?:


Judy Byington says:
Sorry folks, I don't know Craig Barlow, nor have I ever contacted his Children's Justice Division. I consult with someone else. If you want further information, you'll just have to wait to read, "Saints, Sinners and Satan."

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This would make a nice little story in the UT media.

Interesting.
I wonder if mr Barlow would be willing to find out out, if he can, just who the woman's contact is, then?

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Barlow's strong response shows how disreputable DID/recovered memory/ritual abuse has become. A couple of decades ago it was unleashing Robespierre wannabes in courthouses all over the US.

Has anyone contacted Debbie Nathan? She has done a lot of writing about this.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Interesting.
I wonder if mr Barlow would be willing to find out out, if he can, just who the woman's contact is, then?

If Judy doesn't know who Craig Barlow is, that's just more evidence she has no involvement with the Utah AG's office.

I suspect she has no contact with them. At the most, she's had as much contact with them as I have - contacting them unsolicited.

Barlow's strong response shows how disreputable DID/recovered memory/ritual abuse has become. A couple of decades ago it was unleashing Robespierre wannabes in courthouses all over the US.

Indeed! Well said.

Has anyone contacted Debbie Nathan? She has done a lot of writing about this.

I don't know who Debbie Nathan is. Could you give us more info, please?

 

[xterra]

For information about Debbie Nathan, look at these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Nathan

http://debbienathan.com/

 

[Matthew Best]

Only parenthetically related, but may be of interest to everyone reading this:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/117839/panic-in-jerusalem?all=1

The accusation always begins with a single complaint and is always parent-driven. The children’s accounts contain fabulous or impossible elements—magic tunnels, bullets that find their target, walls and people that disappear, and so on. The conspiracies being alleged are far-reaching and highly improbable. There are untrained professionals involved driving the investigations. There are nearly always claims of video recording and of being forced to watch porn and adults having sex.

This history is relevant because, to borrow Lanning’s term, a multi-dimensional sex ring has never once been substantiated. Never, despite the enormity of the crimes in question, and despite the numbers of times they’ve been alleged, has any independently corroborated evidence been found. Many of the children who testified in these cases have, as adults, recanted their testimonies, and courts have, over the years, turned over convictions that were based purely on children’s testimonies.

 

[Altus]

Reading Wikipedia's page on the DSM, I find:

"The fifth edition ("DSM-5") is currently in consultation, planning and preparation, due for publication in May 2013.[1] The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD), produced by the World Health Organization (WHO), is another commonly used manual which includes criteria for mental disorders. This is in fact the official diagnostic system for mental disorders in the US, but is used more widely in Europe and other parts of the world."

I can't find any mention of Dissociative Identity Disorder in the ICD, after a bit of a search. It's certainly not in the "dissociative disorders" section:

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2010/en#/F44

If I knew how to pressure the DSM, I'd point out that fact, assuming I'm right.

ETA: Aw, damn, the ICD still lists Multiple Personality Disorder.

The DSM-5 will retain DID. Here is the head of the DSM-5 working group, David Spiegel, inducing alters in a patient. (3:57)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY8Ic7ombDs

And David Spiegel's report as head of the working group that DID should be continued to be included in the DSM-5:

SUMMARY
In conclusion, the work group recommends only
minor alterations of the diagnostic criteria for DID in
DSM-5

http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Anxie...d DD/Spiegel et al_Dissociative Disorders.pdf


The APA should be called to task on this!

 

[catsmate]

She's writing erotic fiction and can't spell "Trois" in that famous phrase.

There are a lot of truly crap writers in the field of erotica.

Am I reading this correctly, that "Felicity Lee," the tireless defender of children against Satanic Ritual Abuse...writes bondage porn??

And why not? It's an odd juxtaposition but not the oddest.

You know, I think that we should be incredibly wary of implying that BDSM is "depraved" or in any way wrong in and of itself. I don't think that that will help anybody with anything. I'm not even sure what "outing" Felicity with her real name is supposed to achieve. Or, indeed, what the majority of the childish squabbling that the Amazon review comments has turned in to is supposed to achieve.

Thank you. Someone's legal sexual preferences and/or writing really aren't necessarily very relevant to other parts of their life.

I think it's worth everybody taking a step back, taking a deep breath, and remembering that the point of the exercise is to provide information to uninformed spectators so that they can make informed decisions about the book and the contents thereof. It's to reduce the harm that this book and the industry that it's a part of cause. I don't see how anything that's been posted over there recently is supposed to accomplish that. Both sides seem as bad as each other.

Well said.

 

[Altus]

catsmate1, We're back on track with Judy Byington's "book"

 

[douglas mesner]

I don't know who Debbie Nathan is. Could you give us more info, please?

Debbie Nathan recently put out the book that debunked the book Sybil, the MPD fable that kicked off the whole fad. In fact I see she's already part of our Facebook Group.
The Facebook Group is a good place where people can find us and reach out, but I definitely want to move forward and start putting together something of a stock complaint/letter/petition to licensing boards -- though many of them may need to be specifically modeled in reference to different ethical codes

 

[Roma]

...The Facebook Group is a good place where people can find us and reach out, but I definitely want to move forward and start putting together something of a stock complaint/letter/petition to licensing boards -- though many of them may need to be specifically modeled in reference to different ethical codes

Doug I remember an old facebook/human rights lawyer friend of yours who told me that what Colin Ross did to me was a violation of the Helsinki Accord. Here's a link to the Helsinki Code of Ethics, it may be helpful since this DID fraud is an international problem.

http://www.wma.net/en/30publications/10policies/b3/17c.pdf

 

[Altus]

Debbie Nathan recently put out the book that debunked the book Sybil, the MPD fable that kicked off the whole fad. In fact I see she's already part of our Facebook Group.
The Facebook Group is a good place where people can find us and reach out, but I definitely want to move forward and start putting together something of a stock complaint/letter/petition to licensing boards -- though many of them may need to be specifically modeled in reference to different ethical codes

I realize you are going full-blast over on FB, Doug, 64 peeps in a matter of no time and some great folk to boot: Radford, Loftus, Barden. Woot!

I'm trying to think through your post. Is this something the boards address only when there is a violation...and how do you get around the squirrely nature of naming? None of these therapists admits to RMT or False Memories. Everyone swears it's REAL! Parts therapy is getting your "younger parts" to talk and when your younger parts talk somehow they recall trauma. How do you nail it so they don't get off the hook by calling this stuff something else? They all end up in the same place...the ISSTD is famous for re-branding everything...same chit, different decade.

Crap, looks like I am gonna have to join freakin' FB! Damn you, Zuckerburg! http://www.facebook.com/groups/397091250367628/

 

[Orphia Nay]

For information about Debbie Nathan, look at these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Nathan

http://debbienathan.com/

Thank you very much! I've just ordered Sybil Exposed.

Debbie Nathan recently put out the book that debunked the book Sybil, the MPD fable that kicked off the whole fad. In fact I see she's already part of our Facebook Group.

Woot!

The Facebook Group is a good place where people can find us and reach out, but I definitely want to move forward and start putting together something of a stock complaint/letter/petition to licensing boards -- though many of them may need to be specifically modeled in reference to different ethical codes

Brilliant idea, Doug!

The DSM-5 will retain DID. Here is the head of the DSM-5 working group, David Spiegel, inducing alters in a patient. (3:57)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY8Ic7ombDs

And David Spiegel's report as head of the working group that DID should be continued to be included in the DSM-5:

SUMMARY
In conclusion, the work group recommends only
minor alterations of the diagnostic criteria for DID in
DSM-5

http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Anxie...d DD/Spiegel et al_Dissociative Disorders.pdf


The APA should be called to task on this!

It may be too late for us to have any effect on the DSM-5, but we can always aim for the DSM-6.

I've invited two forumites who are knowledgeable in psychology to this thread and am hoping they'll give us some ideas how to petition the APA in relation to the DSM.

 

[Roma]

....None of these therapists admits to RMT or False Memories./[/url]

One of the best ways to publically and safely expose those "therapists" is to refer to court transcipts if you can.
Dr.Christopher Barden is particuarly good at making those "therapists" tell the truth, under oath.

Another good way is to use anything that the lunatics had "published",
I was told by my old lawyer that if they published it then it's okay to publically quote it.

What they put up on Youtube is fair game too.

Those lunatics just love to talk and often slip up and the truth comes out, you just have to go through everything with a fine tooth comb.



*I am not a lawyer

 

[xterra]

Debbie Nathan recently put out the book that debunked the book Sybil, the MPD fable that kicked off the whole fad. In fact I see she's already part of our Facebook Group.

Douglas,

Invite her here, please.