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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

xterra said:
In the course of the story it becomes apparent that Dr. Hammond was already in 1993 trying to distance himself from his own words." [quoted from footnote 10 the link given above.]

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Way back in 2004, before I had any real sense of all this at all, before I had any sense of false memories and therapeutic coercion, and I was just some lad trying to decipher the meaning and reliability of many of these claims, I began reading these extremely bizarre stories about The Process -- a cult that Hammond mentions in the Greenbaum Speech. Eventually, I would interview the people who actually made up The Process itself, but at that time I was more or less agnostic regarding what the facts would reveal. I emailed Hammond and asked:

>Why have you ended the cult research? Do you feel that the information
> >was flawed? Do you feel that it was too dangerous? Did you grow tired of
> >trying to convince others that something was amiss, or were there other
> >reasons?

This was his remarkable reply:

>I never really did cult research, but simply worked with some patients and
>consulted with other therapists who were working with them. By the latter
>part of 1992 I could see that it was becoming controversial and possibly an
>area of liability. It was exhausting, difficult work. Since it had never
>been more than a small part of my practice, I decided, why am I working
>this hard for the money when there are several other areas of specialty
>that I have where the work is much less gut-wrenching and the problems have
>a much more favorable prognosis than persons with extensive abuse histories?
 
Douglas

Whatever Hammond's reasons for engaging in, and subsequently withdrawing from, therapy in this area, my comments about the statement I quoted, especially the part in bold, remain true:

To say that therapists or other instructors are not responsible for verifying the accuracy of the information they teach is irresponsible.

If I had done that in my college-teaching career, I wouldn't have had one, not for very long, anyway.
 
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xterra said:
Douglas, whatever Hammond's reasons for engaging in, and subsequently withdrawing from, therapy in this area, my comments about the statement I quoted, especially the part in bold, remain true:

To say that therapists or other instructors are not responsible for verifying the accuracy they teach is irresponsible. If I had done that in my college-teaching career, I wouldn't have had one.
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I agree entirely. Ironically, Byington (aka Weindorf) claims at the beginning of 22 Faces that Hammond "verified" the existence of Greenbaum, demonstrating that she doesn't really know the meaning of the word at all.
I think Hammond's reply to me is remarkable, not as a refutation of his clear irresponsibility, but when it's juxtaposed against the bold statements made in the Greenbaum speech -- all his tough-guy posturing that, dammit, he's going to speak out, and if the Satanists come after him, well, he'll deal with it. By 2004, he's essentially saying that it's not making money, it's liability, and he's out. Does this sound like a man who feels it's him against the Satanic "Them" who threaten to devour our minds if we don't now take a stand? (<=== Rhetorical question for the readership, of course.)
 
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Great info on Hammond and "Dr. Green", Doug. Good to see that Kerr Cuhulain's article on Witchvox on the subject can be supported.

Unfortunately, now I'm down the rabbit hole of David Shurter's Rabbit Hole. If I'm reading hsi blog right he's implicating Michael Aquino of the temple of Set in his SRA claims.

I'm sure you've all seen by now Judy's latest post. She's going to publish some letter of support from a former Lt Utah AG, Reed M. Richards, and is claiming that she's had an 8 hour consultation with the AG's office, and that she "consults with them to this very day."

Can you imagine 8 hours of having to sit through her whackadoodle garbage?
 
I've heard of David Shurter, I wish I could remember in what context. Is he one of Noreen Gosch's dodgy friends?
 
ac2012 said:
Great info on Hammond and "Dr. Green", Doug. Good to see that Kerr Cuhulain's article on Witchvox on the subject can be supported.

Unfortunately, now I'm down the rabbit hole of David Shurter's Rabbit Hole. If I'm reading hsi blog right he's implicating Michael Aquino of the temple of Set in his SRA claims.

I'm sure you've all seen by now Judy's latest post. She's going to publish some letter of support from a former Lt Utah AG, Reed M. Richards, and is claiming that she's had an 8 hour consultation with the AG's office, and that she "consults with them to this very day."

Can you imagine 8 hours of having to sit through her whackadoodle garbage?
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Do you have Shurter's book?
I'll contact Reed Richards, see what he has to say about this.
Here's a nice summary of the Ritual Abuse investigations in Utah in the '90s: http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_rep04.htm (see the hyperlink within this link to find an analysis of the Utah task force's report)
Even the grossly irresponsible ABC4 coverage of 22 Faces still at least mentioned something Judy never does -- the investigations amounted to nothing except for strong suspicions that the reports of the abuse were the result of paranoid conspiracies passed on from ignorant and/or idiotic therapists.
It is quite possible that Richards spoke to Judy in the course of this investigation, as I'm sure she was involved in the panic then (and she hasn't grown up at all since). It's also possible (if you give her the benefit of the doubt) that she doesn't know what it means to be a "consultant" and actually thinks that being questioned in a dead-end investigation constitutes some type of official contract between herself and the AG's office. I say this gives her the benefit of the doubt because it exonerates her from willful deception, though it doesn't say much for her intelligence... which there clearly isn't much to be said for to begin with.
 
douglas mesner said:
Do you have Shurter's book?
I'll contact Reed Richards, see what he has to say about this.
Here's a nice summary of the Ritual Abuse investigations in Utah in the '90s: (see the hyperlink within this link to find an analysis of the Utah task force's report)
Even the grossly irresponsible ABC4 coverage of 22 Faces still at least mentioned something Judy never does -- the investigations amounted to nothing except for strong suspicions that the reports of the abuse were the result of paranoid conspiracies passed on from ignorant and/or idiotic therapists.
It is quite possible that Richards spoke to Judy in the course of this investigation, as I'm sure she was involved in the panic then (and she hasn't grown up at all since). It's also possible (if you give her the benefit of the doubt) that she doesn't know what it means to be a "consultant" and actually thinks that being questioned in a dead-end investigation constitutes some type of official contract between herself and the AG's office. I say this gives her the benefit of the doubt because it exonerates her from willful deception, though it doesn't say much for her intelligence... which there clearly isn't much to be said for to begin with.
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No, I haven't bought Shurter's book. I'm not compelled to spend the money as of yet, and I'm already wasting enough time on this stuff as is.

At his blog, I see a list of horrible things that all happened in Omaha in 1983. This is starting to look like "The Ultimate Evil" - a string of very tenuously connected, if at all - murders, rapes, disappearances, etc. Strawberry, I do believe he mentions Noreen Gosch or her son.

He seems like someone willing to converse, at least, from his postings on the amazon 22 Faces comments section. But who knows - he might go all "Felicity" if questioned too much. He mentioned "ample evidence" of SRA in his comments, so I'd like to know exactly what that is.

I also suspect that the times Judy has tried to insinuate herself in the Utah task force's investigations is enough to convince her she's a "consultant", and that's how she'll try to spin it. Richards's letter could even just be a "thank you for giving us your information, Regards" - but in her mind that means she's on staff.

Let us know what you come up with re: Reed Richards (sorry but I keep seeing the Fantastic Four in my mind's eye).
 
Strawberry said:
Here's another interesting link on the subject, but if Judy Byinton is still reading she shouldn't open it. I have it on good authority that whenever a true Christian clicks on this link a demon jumps out of the computer at them...

http://theisticsatanism.com/asp/sra.html#culture
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Good link. However, I'd like offer some info regarding a quote from the site:

"Although the SRA scare has been discredited in the eyes of the people who matter most (e.g. most police departments, social workers, psychotherapists, and relevant academic experts), there are lots of uneducated people who still do believe in SRA and Satanic conspiracy theories - which still do give rise to quite a bit of general cultural paranoia."

I'd take issue with the word "uneducated". There are MDs and PhDs attached to this, along with a lot of MSWs. The fact that Judy constantly pumps her connections to ISSTD, which is seen as credible in the psych community and which offers continuing ed credits to therapists as they get drawn into this conspiracy, is concerning. Again, an ISSTD member got DID to stay in the DSM, despite protests by a number of researchers. But here's what is more concerning:

A PANEL DISCUSSION (longer and more widely attended than a mere workshop) from their annual conference in Oct:

"Therapists Reporting Histories of Ritual Abuse Trauma: Preliminary Results on Beneficial and Detrimental Treatment Approaches Lacter, Sinason"

http://www.isst-d.org/annual_conference/2012/index.htm

(The "Integrating Science" at the top is interesting since their peer reviewed papers make it into so few respectable journals. That does not stop them from publishing for each other and appearing legit to the average MSW, who form the bulk of therapists in the USA.)

The 1,000+ member ISSTD, which could affect tens of thousands of patients with whom these therapists interact, does nothing to stop the Satanic Abuse conspiracy. In fact, it gives some people promoting it a high profile status. (Ross is another one who gets to pump his stuff with these folk.)
 
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ac2012 said:
I also suspect that the times Judy has tried to insinuate herself in the Utah task force's investigations is enough to convince her she's a "consultant", and that's how she'll try to spin it. Richards's letter could even just be a "thank you for giving us your information, Regards" - but in her mind that means she's on staff.
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And yet, when asked, instead of attempting to elucidate her alleged role as might be expected in the above scenario she laughably claims that they are denying her role in order to maintain her undercover status (or self-servingly refers us to her next book).

Maybe she's truly delusional enough so that a part of her really believes she's a bona fide consultant but clearly there must be a part of her which understands to some degree how ridiculous she is being or else she would not be so evasive and absurd in her responses to inquiries about this.
 
ac2012 said:
Unfortunately, now I'm down the rabbit hole of David Shurter's Rabbit Hole. If I'm reading hsi blog right he's implicating Michael Aquino of the temple of Set in his SRA claims.

I'm sure you've all seen by now Judy's latest post. She's going to publish some letter of support from a former Lt Utah AG, Reed M. Richards, and is claiming that she's had an 8 hour consultation with the AG's office, and that she "consults with them to this very day."
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David is a broken person. I think he's got a restraining order out on him by his own mother. He just goes off. I was in a dentist chair yesterday reading Judy's reply to his post on my phone. No Jenny was not dead and no she, Judy, was not a Satanist, as David had written. The bizarre nature of the exchange had me suppressing laughter to the point of tears. When the woman working on me returned after a brief trip down the hall, I had to explain the tears were from nothing she had done to me.

Hopefully, Doug can get to the bottom of the Reed stuff. Saw the post that she "consults with them to this very day". In light of the AG statement, this is just mind-boggling. If Phil's folk are following this forum, I doubt they have any interest at this point in her stuff---wilder things have happened. But, she's pretty much trashed herself for all to see.

I do think Doug's article and this forum helped bring her antics to screeching halt and encouraged her to hang herself with her own words. She was getting a bewildering amount of coverage until the article and the forum...now, she's got one lie on her calendar about a library book signing today http://22faces.com/events-calendar/ The library in question does not have an event on their website calendar. http://www.viridiancenter.org/ev/index.htm
 
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Folks, we are not done with this, whatever happens to Judy Byington.

Altus included a reference to a paper by Sinason and Lacter. Here is a link to a book with a chapter by Sinason and another by Lacter:

http://tinyurl.com/bq3l2hd

Check the reviews; the first was written by a licensed clinical social worker, the second (I qupte from the signature on the review) by "Wanda Karriker, Ph.D. (Author of Morning, Come Quickly)"

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I see Judy's now, rather bizarrely, denying the contents of her own book. In 22 Faces Jenny Hill runs away from her for two years because she saw the "mark of Cain" on her and thought she was a Satanist. Yet on Amazon Judy claims Jenny never thought she was a Satanist.

I wish I could post on Amazon. Those of you who can post there, can you try and get her to say when exactly did she (or Jenny) report the eyewitness account of Kathleen Shea's murder, and to whom?
 
xterra said:
Folks, we are not done with this, whatever happens to Judy Byington.

Altus included a reference to a paper by Sinason and Lacter. Here is a link to a book with a chapter by Sinason and another by Lacter:

http://tinyurl.com/bq3l2hd

Check the reviews; the first was written by a licensed clinical social worker, the second (I qupte from the signature on the review) by "Wanda Karriker, Ph.D. (Author of Morning, Come Quickly)"

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Interesting that one of the reviewers, Shamai Currim PhD, a therapist from Canada, also gave "22" 5-stars. This stuff travels the world and nobody in the profession calls these folks to task. They still practice and treat and teach others how to do so. They can literally earn credits listening to each others' conspiracies.
 
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Another score for the team!

Last night I emailed back to the Utah Attorney General's office about the following statement by Judy Byington:

"Another lie repeated over and over is that I have not been a consultant to the Utah AG office. If one is so concerned about that they will have to wait and read my next book, "Saints, Sinners and Satan." It goes into specific detail and includes copy of a 1994 support letter about that relationshp written by Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards. He penned the letter after my 4 hour consult with him on 8 satanic covens the Utah AG office are following. I continue those consults with them today."

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1J8BM...d=Tx2LQIUNFLZLGJ6&store=books#Mx2PEOMNMYTBNT9


This is the reply I received:

"Orphia, Byington's statement is a lie. She may have talked to Reed Richards in 1994. He has not been in our office since January, 2001. Byington does not consult with the Utah AG's Office on any subject. I am the division chief of the Children's Justice Division in the AG's office. My division prosecutes cases of child sexual abuse. If Byington had any relationship with our office, I would be the contact person and I would know of her involvement. I know with complete confidence that she does not have a relationship with our office either formally or informally."
Craig Barlow
Division Chief.

:)
 
xterra said:
Folks, we are not done with this, whatever happens to Judy Byington.
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I could not agree me, and I can't stress this enough. This asinine book, 22 Faces, is just a window into a larger -- much larger -- problem. The ISSTD likes to present itself with a veneer of scientific credibility, and tries to keep its lunacy buried as best it can, but 22 Faces -- with endorsements from ISSTD past presidents Colin Ross and Joyana Silberg, along with Judy's claim that Lacter and Sinason actually used the book in their co-presentation on Ritual Abuse at this year's ISSTD annual conference -- gives ample evidence, I think, that this anti-therapeutic, anti-rational, conspiracy-theory-driven quackery pervades dissociative studies. Outright delusional organizations like S.M.A.R.T. (Stop Mind-control And Ritual abuse Today) (...a tortured acronym if there ever was one) and Survivorship -- both headed up by a LICENSED THERAPIST, Neil Brick, who claims to have been a brain-washed Illuminati/Masonic/CIA assassin, peddle paranoia to the vulnerable in need of proper mental health care. I would love help in considering an action plan. I would like to forward a type of public policy initiative for which, perhaps with a high volume of signatories, we can pressure licensing boards to be rid of their delusion-mongering professional disgraces who have run rampant unchecked for far too long.
Who wants to talk tactic?
 
Orphia Nay said:
"Orphia, Byington's statement is a lie. She may have talked to Reed Richards in 1994. He has not been in our office since January, 2001. Byington does not consult with the Utah AG's Office on any subject. I am the division chief of the Children's Justice Division in the AG's office. My division prosecutes cases of child sexual abuse. If Byington had any relationship with our office, I would be the contact person and I would know of her involvement. I know with complete confidence that she does not have a relationship with our office either formally or informally."
Craig Barlow
Division Chief.

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Thanks Orphia. This is exactly as I suspected. I, too, emailed the AG's office, but they haven't replied to me yet, probably because I'm asking more of them. I acknowledge their previous email and even quote from it, but I inform them that Byington aka Weindorf nonetheless persists, and I provided a recent quote from Amazon. I wanted to know if they could do something more than just re-affirm by email. I asked if, as a citizen, one might file an official complaint on the basis that this smacks of opportunistic fraud designed to profit Byington in book sales and increased business to her Trauma Center.
I see that you forwarded the email to me. Thank you so much. I will place this one online as well for reference. I should also forward this on to Dr. Phil's people just to make clear, yet again, what they are tying their own credibility to.
 
douglas mesner said:
I could not agree me, and I can't stress this enough. This asinine book, 22 Faces, is just a window into a larger -- much larger -- problem. The ISSTD likes to present itself with a veneer of scientific credibility, and tries to keep its lunacy buried as best it can, but 22 Faces -- with endorsements from ISSTD past presidents Colin Ross and Joyana Silberg, along with Judy's claim that Lacter and Sinason actually used the book in their co-presentation on Ritual Abuse at this year's ISSTD annual conference -- gives ample evidence, I think, that this anti-therapeutic, anti-rational, conspiracy-theory-driven quackery pervades dissociative studies. Outright delusional organizations like S.M.A.R.T. (Stop Mind-control And Ritual abuse Today) (...a tortured acronym if there ever was one) and Survivorship -- both headed up by a LICENSED THERAPIST, Neil Brick, who claims to have been a brain-washed Illuminati/Masonic/CIA assassin, peddle paranoia to the vulnerable in need of proper mental health care. I would love help in considering an action plan. I would like to forward a type of public policy initiative for which, perhaps with a high volume of signatories, we can pressure licensing boards to be rid of their delusion-mongering professional disgraces who have run rampant unchecked for far too long.
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Yes, let's talk tactics. We can already see on Amazon that this scam is by no means limited to the States. There are people giving favourable reviews from Australia, Canada and Britain, and I wouldn't be surprised if its going on in my own country, (Ireland), too.

Maybe we could start by getting together a list of all the regulatory bodies in the various countries which make up the english speaking world, if this hasn't been done already. Once we have contact details compiled for those who should be policing the professional therapists in their countries we can start with other ideas like petitions, letter writing or whatever else.
 
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