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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

douglas mesner said:
Thanks Orphia. This is exactly as I suspected. I, too, emailed the AG's office, but they haven't replied to me yet, probably because I'm asking more of them. I acknowledge their previous email and even quote from it, but I inform them that Byington aka Weindorf nonetheless persists, and I provided a recent quote from Amazon. I wanted to know if they could do something more than just re-affirm by email. I asked if, as a citizen, one might file an official complaint on the basis that this smacks of opportunistic fraud designed to profit Byington in book sales and increased business to her Trauma Center.I see that you forwarded the email to me. Thank you so much. I will place this one online as well for reference. I should also forward this on to Dr. Phil's people just to make clear, yet again, what they are tying their own credibility to.
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Excellent idea, Doug! I'd like to see the Utah AGs make a public statement about these lies, and perhaps apply some sort of legal sanctions on Judy Byington.

I must stress, this is not about personalities. It's about the victims. Sanctions would deter other FMS "therapists" from lying, and possibly protect their poor patients.

As it stands, Judy Byington is gaining credibility by claiming this association, and vulnerable people might get sucked in to the FMS hellhole if they believe her.
 
Strawberry said:
Yes, let's talk tactics. We can already see on Amazon that this scam is by no means limited to the States. There are people giving favourable reviews from Australia, Canada and Britain, and I wouldn't be surprised if its going on in my own country, (Ireland), too.

Maybe we could start by getting together a list of all the regulatory bodies in the various countries which make up the english speaking world, if this hasn't been done already. Once we have contact details compiled for those who should be policing the professional therapists in their countries we can start with other ideas like petitions, letter writing or whatever else.
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Which favourable review(s) are from Australia? I'd like to take on a new challenge.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Which favourable review(s) are from Australia? I'd like to take on a new challenge.
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Dr Robert Rich, who gave a five star review to the book Xterra linked to on the previous page, is from Australia. I'm not sure if anyone from Australia has commented on Byington's book.
 
Strawberry said:
Yes, let's talk tactics. We can already see on Amazon that this scam is by no means limited to the States. There are people giving favourable reviews from Australia, Canada and Britain, and I wouldn't be surprised if its going on in my own country, (Ireland), too.

Maybe we could start by getting together a list of all the regulatory bodies in the various countries which make up the english speaking world, if this hasn't been done already. Once we have contact details compiled for those who should be policing the professional therapists in their countries we can start with other ideas like petitions, letter writing or whatever else.
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Yes, I think this is a good start. Science is quite clear on this issue -- yet these quacks continue unhindered. It is insane that some regulatory hammer wasn't brought down long ago to ensure mental health practice followed best available empirical data. Here we are in the 21st century with witch-hunters selling paranoid delusions as psychological care when it is the very opposite.
Maybe I should get email addresses from those of you who are interested and perhaps we can set up a Google doc or private forum, at least so we don't pile raw information into a discussion thread. You can private message me through this forum with your email address and I can add you to a Google doc, if that's something that works for most people...?
 
Guys, another suggestion. How about we set up a facebook group on this subject? I know a few of us are already fb friends, and obviously a facebook group gives us the opportunity to add other people and indeed for other people to find us who might not find us on this forum.
 
xterra said:
Folks, we are not done with this, whatever happens to Judy Byington.

Altus included a reference to a paper by Sinason and Lacter. Here is a link to a book with a chapter by Sinason and another by Lacter:

http://tinyurl.com/bq3l2hd

Check the reviews; the first was written by a licensed clinical social worker, the second (I qupte from the signature on the review) by "Wanda Karriker, Ph.D. (Author of Morning, Come Quickly)"

xterra
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Link to review: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1VAL8...e=UTF8&ASIN=B00582MGES&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=

This appears to be Dr Robert (Bob) Rich, a psychologist and hypnotist working in the Yarra Valley, Victoria, Australia.
http://mooramoora.org.au/bobrich/psych/services.html

Lionking (another Aussie who may be reading this thread), have you heard of this guy?
 
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Strawberry said:
Guys, another suggestion. How about we set up a facebook group on this subject? I know a few of us are already fb friends, and obviously a facebook group gives us the opportunity to add other people and indeed for other people to find us who might not find us on this forum.
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Very good. I'm all for it.

Though I'm not sure if we're Facebook friends or not...

I can be found at: http://www.facebook.com/doug.mesner
 
I'm already fb friends with you and Orphia, and possibly a couple more posters in here. I'll go set up the group now if someone can think of a name. We want people who've been affected by this to find us through the fb search engine, so we'd want recovered memory or false memory in the title.
 
Strawberry said:
I'm already fb friends with you and Orphia, and possibly a couple more posters in here. I'll go set up the group now if someone can think of a name. We want people who've been affected by this to find us through the fb search engine, so we'd want recovered memory or false memory in the title.
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Maybe as a counter-balance to SMART:

Stop
Therapeutic
Undermining of
Psychological
Integrity,
Dammit
 
Strawberry said:
I'm already fb friends with you and Orphia, and possibly a couple more posters in here. I'll go set up the group now if someone can think of a name. We want people who've been affected by this to find us through the fb search engine, so we'd want recovered memory or false memory in the title.
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Yeah, something simple:

False Memory Syndrome Action Network

Stop Recovered Memory Therapy
 
Strawberry said:
I'm already fb friends with you and Orphia, and possibly a couple more posters in here. I'll go set up the group now if someone can think of a name. We want people who've been affected by this to find us through the fb search engine, so we'd want recovered memory or false memory in the title.
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I detest FB and don't plan to get an account. Is there some platform other than FB that would work? I do use G+ but realize others don't. :confused:

High five to Orphia!
 
douglas mesner said:
Maybe as a counter-balance to SMART:

Stop
Therapeutic
Undermining of
Psychological
Integrity,
Dammit
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I'd be wary of using a negative acronym. Not a good marketing move. Also "False Memory" has been talked to death, "confabulated" seems a bit more on target and goes with Loftus' research. Just my two cents. Brick used "SMART" for a reason. Not something we have to do tonight.

Maybe get evidence-based or science-based in there, since so much of this stuff seems to be case-study anecdotal stuff and theoretical woo that just plays out therapists' cognitive biases.
 
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Right, I've created the group and added Doug and Orphia. Its called False Memory Syndrome Action Network, and at the moment its set to open so anyone who wants to join can do so. If start getting plagued by trolls I can always change it to closed.

Altus said:
I detest FB and don't plan to get an account. Is there some platform other than FB that would work? I do use G+ but realize others don't. :confused:

High five to Orphia!
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It would be great to set up groups in other places too, get as much attention to this subject as possible.
 
douglas mesner said:
Yeah, something simple:

False Memory Syndrome Action Network

Stop Recovered Memory Therapy
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How about something like:

Bring
Evidence (and)
Science (to)
Therapy

This ISSTD has no credible research I could find. SRA is all rumor and fear mongering. By saying this is what we stand for, we create a new narrative that is positive and leaves them scrambling to meet the definition.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Another score for the team!

Last night I emailed back to the Utah Attorney General's office about the following statement by Judy Byington:

"Another lie repeated over and over is that I have not been a consultant to the Utah AG office. If one is so concerned about that they will have to wait and read my next book, "Saints, Sinners and Satan." It goes into specific detail and includes copy of a 1994 support letter about that relationshp written by Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards. He penned the letter after my 4 hour consult with him on 8 satanic covens the Utah AG office are following. I continue those consults with them today."

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1J8BM...d=Tx2LQIUNFLZLGJ6&store=books#Mx2PEOMNMYTBNT9


This is the reply I received:

"Orphia, Byington's statement is a lie. She may have talked to Reed Richards in 1994. He has not been in our office since January, 2001. Byington does not consult with the Utah AG's Office on any subject. I am the division chief of the Children's Justice Division in the AG's office. My division prosecutes cases of child sexual abuse. If Byington had any relationship with our office, I would be the contact person and I would know of her involvement. I know with complete confidence that she does not have a relationship with our office either formally or informally."
Craig Barlow
Division Chief.

:)
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Judy's reply?:


Judy Byington says:
Sorry folks, I don't know Craig Barlow, nor have I ever contacted his Children's Justice Division. I consult with someone else. If you want further information, you'll just have to wait to read, "Saints, Sinners and Satan."

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This would make a nice little story in the UT media.
 
I don't participate in social networks like Facebook,* so I would not be joining the group.

I will, however, write from my academic account to Mr. Barlow at the Utah AG's office to suggest that there be a public statement clarifying the (non-)involvement of Byington with the AG.

I want to second what others have written here: Sarcasm, negativity, name-calling, and similar tactics are remarkably ineffective in educating people. Deal with the facts, the assertions, the untruths, the misunderstandings.

Don't be led off-topic by ad-hominem attacks. They waste your time and energy, and not only don't they convince your opponents, they give the opponents ammunition against you.


xterra,** who is pleased to see Orphia Nay back in the fray (especially since she started this thread).



*I don't consider JREF a social network.

**ETA, Please don't capitalize my name.
 
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xterra said:
I will, however, write from my academic account to Mr. Barlow at the Utah AG's office to suggest that there be a public statement clarifying the (non-) involvement of Byington with the AG.

*I don't consider JREF a social network.

**ETA, Please don't capitalize my name.
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You might also want to consider contacting the licensing office in UT. They have prosecuted such folk in the past.

The more people who file a complaint, the better chance there is that something will be done about this. You don't have to live in Utah and the form is real simple to fill out online. http://www.dopl.utah.gov/investigations/complaint.html

Case#: 62402

There is evidence she is soliciting people for her "therapy".

She uses her URL in any news story. She has not had a licence in 10 years and yet you see a statement like this on her site...scroll down a bit. How many more Jennys is she harming? http://22faces.com/contact/

She was also holding a seminar for which she was charging $50 on November 17th http://www.survivorship.org/webinars.html
Multiple Personality Formation and Functioning Webinar
This event is on 17 November 2012
“Multiple Personality Formation and Functioning”
Webinar by Judy Byington, MSW, LCSW, ret
An online webinar for survivors and professionals

And she admitted to doing a therapy session with Hill (forward to 15:38) http://kcpw.org/blog/cityviews/2012...man-multiple-personalitiesbullets-and-belles/
It would be helpful to cite specifics in the complaint.

When enough people complained a "life coach" in UT got slapped with a felony charge. What Judy is doing is so much more harmful than life-coaching. But nothing will be done if people don't complain. They only act on the complaints they receive...the more they get for a case, the more likely it is to get attention. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695229159/Therapy-coach-facing-charges-in-Utah-County.html?pg=all
 
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Orphia Nay said:
Great idea, Strawberry, and great names, Doug!

I think the main goal of the group should be to get DID removed from the DSM.
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I agree! We need to get DID removed from the DSM.

And I am concerned about including FMS in the name because even though I am a contact for the FMSF the mere mention of FMS on the internet attracts the crazies like zombie moths to a satanic ritual bug bulb.
 
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