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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

Altus said:
Thought it was me. Must be Satan...or the ISSTD ;)
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Well, that *********** sucks. We had nearly 200 members and a whole load of stuff in the files uploaded by Doug, not to mention all the discussion threads.

There doesn't seem to be any way to contact facebook about it either.
 
Strawberry said:
Well, that *********** sucks. We had nearly 200 members and a whole load of stuff in the files uploaded by Doug, not to mention all the discussion threads.

There doesn't seem to be any way to contact facebook about it either.
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I see the group listed with members. Maybe it's just a connection glitch. I emailed Doug.
 
Strawberry said:
Is facebook glitching for me, or has our group disappeared?
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I was an admin, but I got no notification.
If I had to guess, I would say that the Littlest Supersoldier, Neil Brick, cried and ranted and raved to whoever he could full-time. That's what he did when my article about his conference was posted on Examiner. He harassed them constantly till they pulled it. I would have thought that if the little fella's tender feelings were so hurt, FB might have at least messaged the administrators. As it is, I'm looking for a contact, but I'm only finding resources for those who feel aggrieved by content posted, not for those who have lost content due to some overgrown infant who, though he might make himself and his delusions public, doesn't have the spine to stand-up to any public scrutiny
 
douglas mesner said:
I was an admin, but I got no notification.
If I had to guess, I would say that the Littlest Supersoldier, Neil Brick, cried and ranted and raved to whoever he could full-time. That's what he did when my article about his conference was posted on Examiner. He harassed them constantly till they pulled it. I would have thought that if the little fella's tender feelings were so hurt, FB might have at least messaged the administrators. As it is, I'm looking for a contact, but I'm only finding resources for those who feel aggrieved by content posted, not for those who have lost content due to some overgrown infant who, though he might make himself and his delusions public, doesn't have the spine to stand-up to any public scrutiny
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Same story here, I got no notification just suddenly the page was gone. And like yourself I can't see any way to contact them unless you're complaining about someone else's content.
 
I've reported it under the report a bug section, but unfortunately they reply to you by e mail, and the e mail addy facebook has for me is defunct.

Doug, can you go into the report a bug section and report that the group has disappeared, please?
 
Put on my skepti-hat, it could be technical. From what I've read, FB redirects when they take a group down. Plus, it's a weekend. Maybe I'm wrong, but FB is screwy all by its lonesome. G+ lover here!

I hold off signing up for FB for years and finally do...within 24 hrs *poof* to the group I did it for. Too phreakin' phunny.

I've lost my FB virginity for nothing. Zuckerberg said he loved me. <sniff>
 
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Strawberry said:
I've reported it under the report a bug section, but unfortunately they reply to you by e mail, and the e mail addy facebook has for me is defunct.

Doug, can you go into the report a bug section and report that the group has disappeared, please?
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Done
 
The Facebook Team info+28b6l6y.aeaus5dkoa@support.facebook.com

3:51 PM (1 hour ago)

to doug
Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to report this to us. We're sorry to hear you're experiencing an issue using Facebook. While we aren't responding to every report, we may reach out to you for more information as we investigate this.

To receive more information about on-going issues and updates when we fix reported problems, check out our Known Issues Page:

https://www.facebook.com/KnownIssues

Thanks again for taking the time to help us improve Facebook.

Thanks,
The Facebook Team
 
Translation...

Hi,

Its the weekend, there's nobody here and this is an automated message. If you don't hear back from us by Monday hassle us some more.

Thanks

Gah. This makes me sick, they couldn't even notify us before they took the group down. How much crapper could their customer service get?
 
Strawberry said:
Translation...

Hi,

Its the weekend, there's nobody here and this is an automated message. If you don't hear back from us by Monday hassle us some more.

Thanks

Gah. This makes me sick, they couldn't even notify us before they took the group down. How much crapper could their customer service get?
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, there is no evidence they "took the group down" that's been given (unless it has and I missed it).

It could be tech glitch and they just don't work weekends. I had an ISP/Google glitch a couple of weekends back and it took longer than normal because it was a weekend. First I thought it was a friend's email problem and then mine, turned out it was neither. Monday all was fine. Just sayin'.

P.S. We're on JREF here. We've got real estate on this tread....why waste it over FB? We can PM about that. We had an excellent and well thought out post above. Let's discuss.
 
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Dancing David said:
Hi,
I have not been avoiding this thread, I just have not been reading it. Preparing for school , other threads, GalaxyZoo and Diablo III.

I find the goal of denouncing this crap in a garbage truck laudable and to be commended.

Just as a response to the PM I received:

- I do not know that the DID will be removed from the next version of the DSM when they get around to the revision after the current one. By the time they get to the DSM-VII it may be possible. The main reasons I do not think that it will be as likely too soon are as follows.
--The DSM has many very nice tight diagnosis and assessment criteria, it also has some terrible ones. The whole set of Personality Disorders is rather vague and sketchy but often useful as characterizations of categories of behavior. So while DID is most likely always going to be a set of other issues, it will be a while before it gets cleaned up.
--Doctors and other clinician are really bad at using the rule outs as a general group. There are clinicians who follow the guidelines and those who don't. So Borderline personality get diagnosed in the presence of Axis I frequently. Now in many cases this again just a way of communicating the person very poor coping skills.
--Good psychiatrists and good therapists and assessers will always consider medical conditions and the possible consequences. However not all practitioners are so careful and wise.
--Good psychiatrists and clinicians sometimes have to find a diagnostic label the consumer is comfortable with.

Other issues than influence this crazy boatload of detritus and trash: related to the standards of licensing and practice
-lack of standards nation wide for who can practice what sort of behavior and call it counseling/therapy
-lack of enforcement of existing laws and regulations
-people who are not licensed or allowed to practice under law who do so anyhow
-practitioners who are licensed in one area but over step the boundaries and violate all sorts of ethical standards and best practice

More issues that influence this mountain of delusion and misperceptions:
-the single study effect, one study poorly done and poorly documented gets repeated frequently and spread
-the misattribution effect, a study or series of studies gets cited out of context and erroneous conclusions are drawn
-client shopping effect, people with substance abuse disorders, diagnoses that they don't like will look for people who feed their addictions and/or aggrandize them
-the personality disorder payoff, all PDs have one major benefit, the individual gets off the hook for personal responsibility and accountability, they get other people to take care of them
-con people and scam artists who exploit the vulnerable
-the sensation journalism effect.

The solution, exactly what is happening, people talking about it and moving the public perceptions of these events.
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DD, Are you in the profession? I understand there was some move afoot to bring more science into the DSM this time around. There are also politics, as I understand it. If they'd give some thought to less biased people to head their working groups (like someone who does not have a history of inducing MPD through hypnosis for DID) perhaps things will change. No?
 
Dancing David said:
Hi,
I have not been avoiding this thread, I just have not been reading it. Preparing for school , other threads, GalaxyZoo and Diablo III.

I find the goal of denouncing this crap in a garbage truck laudable and to be commended.

Just as a response to the PM I received:

- I do not know that the DID will be removed from the next version of the DSM when they get around to the revision after the current one. By the time they get to the DSM-VII it may be possible. The main reasons I do not think that it will be as likely too soon are as follows.
--The DSM has many very nice tight diagnosis and assessment criteria, it also has some terrible ones. The whole set of Personality Disorders is rather vague and sketchy but often useful as characterizations of categories of behavior. So while DID is most likely always going to be a set of other issues, it will be a while before it gets cleaned up.

<respectful snip>
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A hearty welcome to the thread, Dancing David! :) Thanks for joining us. Your insightful comments are much appreciated.

The quote above is what I'd like to address first. I'm encouraged that you think it may be possible to get DID removed, even if it might be three versions away.

Secondly, do you have any thoughts on how DID should be diagnosed/labelled?

In my layman's opinion, it's a mess of iatrogenic problems and playacting, on top of underlying real, less "sexy" problems. Not sure how to say that in medical terms. :o
 
Altus said:
Put on my skepti-hat, it could be technical. From what I've read, FB redirects when they take a group down. Plus, it's a weekend. Maybe I'm wrong, but FB is screwy all by its lonesome. G+ lover here!

I hold off signing up for FB for years and finally do...within 24 hrs *poof* to the group I did it for. Too phreakin' phunny.

I've lost my FB virginity for nothing. Zuckerberg said he loved me. <sniff>
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I blame you for breaking it. ;)

Facebook couldn't handle The Awesome That Is Altus! :)
 
Altus said:
P.S. We're on JREF here. We've got real estate on this tread....why waste it over FB? We can PM about that. We had an excellent and well thought out post above. Let's discuss.
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Well we know that Randi won't take us down, bless his skeptical heart :p
 
Roma said:
That's the one that makes me angry.

When Dr.Colin Ross left (fled) the country he gave all of his MPD/DID patients to a Dr.Eric Ellis up here in Winnipeg.
I spoke to Ellis a couple of years later when it occurred to me that the "therapy" I had endured under the care of Ross had traumatized me and I needed help. Someone at the FMS Foundation told me that Ellis was a member so I felt comfortable going over to speak with him. I had no idea he was connected to Ross until that day and I asked him why if he was member of the False Memory Syndrom Foundation he was still treating Ross' old patients for MPD/DID, you know, since they weren't MPD/DID.
Dr.Ellis responded that none of those patients actually had MPD/DID, they were all suffering from false memory syndrom, but they liked their diagnosis and they had made friends in their support groups.
I couldn't leave Ellis' office fast enough. He couldn't understand the ethical problem of giving a patient an incorrect diagnosis just because that's the diagnosis they wanted. He couldn't understand that with an incorrect diagnosis comes an incorrect treatment and the patient's true presenting problem never gets addressed and treated so then the patient has no hope of getting better, and in the case of MPD/DID will only deteriorate.
I know that psych patients will shop around until they find a therapist who will give them the diagnosis they are looking for, therapists know that too, but it's not ethical.
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Yes Roma, I agree with you. It is unethical in many ways and your feelings are very understandable. My experience was very different than your your but I agree. I once made a client very angry, when I did their assessment I changed a label from 'Borderline tendencies' to 'Narcissistic tendencies', as I felt that it was more appropriate. When the therapist later agreed with me to the client, it caused a row.

However I was actually also thinking of a consumer, not associated with me, who I stood behind in the line at a pharmacy. They were talking about how they needed a refill of the 'my stomach medicine', which turned out to be an antidepressant.

Now my main concern in your story is that the clients more likely had other diagnosis that should have been the focus of treatment.
 
Altus said:
DD, Are you in the profession? I understand there was some move afoot to bring more science into the DSM this time around. There are also politics, as I understand it. If they'd give some thought to less biased people to head their working groups (like someone who does not have a history of inducing MPD through hypnosis for DID) perhaps things will change. No?
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I was an outreach case manager, a PSR clinician, a DV counselor and a crisis clinician for 15 years.

Eventually the DSM will change, but if there are clinicians who like to use the label of DID it will stay in the manual. Which is why it is likely to stay in the DSM-VI and perhaps to be revised in the DSM-VII.

There are some other odd ones as well, like the fugue disorder, which really is sort of vague and likely to always be the result of something else.
 
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