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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

Orphia Nay said:
A hearty welcome to the thread, Dancing David! :) Thanks for joining us. Your insightful comments are much appreciated.

The quote above is what I'd like to address first. I'm encouraged that you think it may be possible to get DID removed, even if it might be three versions away.

Secondly, do you have any thoughts on how DID should be diagnosed/labelled?

In my layman's opinion, it's a mess of iatrogenic problems and playacting, on top of underlying real, less "sexy" problems. Not sure how to say that in medical terms. :o
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I would say that the issue is that people who use the DSM often use labels solely for convenience. I have known some fine doctors (two at least) who used the Borderline diagnosis in the presence of an active and florid Axis I.

The consumers I worked with who favored the diagnosis of 'MMPD' were both major substance abusers. One with a likely seizure disorder, some disassociation and strange OCD complexes.

Then some clinicians are hung up on it, another consumer I worked with had a panic attack at PSR and one of my coworkers labelled it as an 'alter coming out', which I thought was ridiculous.

Then there was a consumer I worked with at the ED, whose family in the interview denied any past history of mental illness, which was quite false.

People are people and sometimes they are less than reliable historians.
 
Are the facts correct?

I am considering sending the following letter to the Utah Attorney General. Before I do so, I wish to be certain that I am not making false statements.

If you read this and see nothing incorrect, please do not respond.

On the other hand, if you see errors of fact, as opposed to opinions, please tell me.

xterra

Mr. Mark Shurtleff
Attorney General
State of Utah
(via email)

Dear Mr. Shurtleff:

I believe that the prestige and honesty of the Utah Attorney General's office are being placed in jeopardy.

Recently, a book entitled Twenty-Two Faces was published by Ms. Judy Byington Weindorf. This is the allegedly true story of a victim of Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) and Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), also known as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD).

SRA was sensationalized in the 1980s, and discredited by the mid-1990s. Ms. Byington was practicing as a licensed social worker during that time.

It is not conceivable that she was then, or is now, unaware of the withdrawal of support for these diagnoses, withdrawal that was disseminated widely through the psychological and social work community in newspapers, newsletters and professional journals, as were the studies showing that supposedly “recovered” memories of widespread systematic child abuse, molestation, torture, and even murder were false and were induced by the so-called therapists.

As part of her defense of her book, Ms. Byington has been stating that she was, and remains, a consultant to the Attorney General on SRA, DID. and MPD. Several people whom I know have recently queried the Department of Professional Licensing about Ms. Byington. One of them received an email message from Craig Barlow, Chief of the Children's Justice Division. Mr Barlow characterized Ms. Byington's claim as “a lie.” (I can have my acquaintance verify this, as I am sure Mr. Barlow would do also.)

According to her own statements, Ms. Byington has been giving seminars and webinars on the treatment of D.I.D. resulting from Satanic Ritual Abuse. I believe that she has also been offering fee-based counseling sessions. I do not know if the latter is legal or not; she is not currently licensed in Utah, which state is, I believe, her residence.

Ms. Byington has been told online that the Attorney General's office denies her being a consultant. Her response has been to say that the person(s) making that statement merely don't know about her; they are in some other part of your organization. The truth, she says, will be revealed in her next book.

Quite apart from the veracity of her statements, Ms. Byington's implying such a relationship cannot be anything but detrimental to your Office.

I will be happy to direct your staff to online connections and discussions related to these matters.

I should make it clear that the contents of this letter contain my personal opinion. Although I am sending this through the email system of the State University, my letter does not represent the opinion of the State University, nor the College where I taught, nor my Department.
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xterra said:
I am considering sending the following letter to the Utah Attorney General. Before I do so, I wish to be certain that I am not making false statements.

If you read this and see nothing incorrect, please do not respond.

On the other hand, if you see errors of fact, as opposed to opinions, please tell me.

xterra
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"As part of her defense of her book, Ms. Byington has been stating that she was, and remains, a consultant to the Attorney General on SRA, DID. and MPD. Several people whom I know have recently queried the Department of Professional Licensing about Ms. Byington. One of them received an email message from Craig Barlow, Chief of the Children's Justice Division. Mr Barlow characterized Ms. Byington's claim as “a lie.” (I can have my acquaintance verify this, as I am sure Mr. Barlow would do also.)"
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As I understand it, these are two separate offices. Barlow works for the AG and that office was queried directly (Orphia?) for clarification purposes only, not for prosecution.

To help build a felony prosecution, you need to contact

http://www.dopl.utah.gov/investigations/complaint.html
You don't have to live in Utah and the form is real simple to fill out online.

Case#: 62402

There is evidence she is soliciting people for her "therapy".

She uses her URL in any news story. She has not had a licence in 10 years and yet you see a statement like this on her site...scroll down a bit. How many more Jennys is she harming? http://22faces.com/contact/

She was also holding a seminar for which she was charging $50 on November 17th http://www.survivorship.org/webinars.html
Multiple Personality Formation and Functioning Webinar
This event is on 17 November 2012
“Multiple Personality Formation and Functioning”
Webinar by Judy Byington, MSW, LCSW, ret
An online webinar for survivors and professionals

And she admitted to doing a therapy session with Hill (forward to 15:38) http://kcpw.org/blog/cityviews/2012-...ts-and-belles/
It would be helpful to cite specifics in the complaint.

When enough people complained a "life coach" in UT got slapped with a felony charge. What Judy is doing is so much more harmful than life-coaching. But nothing will be done if people don't complain. They only act on the complaints they receive...the more they get for a case, the more likely it is to get attention. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...ty.html?pg=all
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I too invite noting of and clarification on potential errors of the above.
 
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Altus said:
As I understand it, these are two separate offices. Barlow works for the AG and that office was queried directly (Orphia?) for clarification purposes only, not for prosecution.

To help build a felony prosecution, you need to contact

http://www.dopl.utah.gov/investigations/complaint.html
You don't have to live in Utah and the form is real simple to fill out online.
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Altus,

Thanks for pointing out my error with respect to professional licensing and the Attorney General's Office; I will revise that part of the letter.

I am not interested in building a criminal case against her at this point. I merely want her to stop falsely claiming that she is operating under the aegis of the Utah Attorney General's Office.

I am hoping the AG takes decisive action to refute that claim and to put her on notice not to continue it. However, I will not suggest an action; the people in the AG office know what to do.

If this happens, I believe that complaints will be more effective. As long as Byington can claim without contradiction that she is consulting with the AG office, she's put up a strong palisade between herself and censure by the State of Utah.

xterra
 
Latest from Byington:

Judy Byington said:
Even though I have never had any contact with Mr. Craig Barlow of the Utah Attorney General's office, on November 30 2012 I talked with him about Mr. Misicko's claims that I had never consulted with the Utah AG office about satanic crime. Mr. Barlow admitted he knew nothing about my years of consultation with his co-worker Utah Attorney General Special Investigations Chief Captain Charles Haussler (now retired). This should not be news to Mr. Misicko. Captain Haussler's name as well as others at the Utah AG office with whom I have consulted on their investigations of the eight satanic covens in Utah, are on page 421 of "Twenty-Two Faces."
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I put a link to expert testimony given by Ross in 2011 where he was a testifying for the defense on behalf of a serial rapist. This is ironic, as the DID proponents always like to paint this as a battle of victims against perpetrators -- their side supposedly being the victims in every case

See: Testimony of Dr. Colin Ross, State of Texas v. Billy Joe Harris
http://www.dysgenics.com/evidence/

Famed psychiatrist and conspiracy theorist, Colin Ross, gives expert testimony in defense of serial rapist Billy Joe Harris in Texas, September 20, 2011. Harris's defense, supported by Ross, is that Harris suffers from the controversial diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), previously known as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). To augment his insanity plea, Harris convulses and yells in the courtroom, however, in a March telephone call from the Jackson County Jail, he is caught asking his girlfriend whether she enjoyed the show he had put on in court earlier that day.

During his testimony, Harris claims extra-terrestrials removed one of his testicles because they wanted his sperm.

Harris also claims he ate his own feces before a visit from the state's psychiatrist. Harris said he had been eating feces since 1976.

He also said many of the items found in his home by Texas Rangers that connect him to the break-ins were bought by the personality Bobby from a crack-addicted transvestite at a store near Crockett.

The 54-year-old Missouri City man also said the personality Thomas Simpson was learning to build bombs so he could blow up a building.

"I stopped him," Harris said. "He doesn't know how to make the bombs yet. When he does, I'll have to change my religion from Southern Baptist to Muslim, and I will be the leader of all leaders."

"Dr. Ross got him to come out," he said. "I didn't know about him."

http://m.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2011/sep/19/sl_twilight_rapist_092011_152557/

"He's clearly telling stories that are not true, but I don't think he's faking the dissociative identify disorder, I could be wrong," Ross determines.

http://m.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2011/sep/20/sl_twilight_rapist_day5_092111_152687/

The district attorney asked Ross if he made any attempt to determine if Harris was lying about the stories he told.

Ross admitted he did not.

Bell asked if Ross had any personal knowledge of who actually answered the test questions.

Ross said he did not.

"If you were able to get someone off with a multiple personality defense, you would be in high demand as an expert witness wouldn't you?" Bell asked.

"It's possible," Ross said.

Ross himself is questioned regarding his own conspiracy theories of Government Mind Control and the validity of DID. Ultimately, Ross's testimony is excluded.
 
ac2012 said:
Latest from Byington:
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I wonder if she even actually spoke with Barlow on the 30th and, if so, how did this conversation come about? Notice how now she strictly falls back on a few names she talked to in the distant past (one retired, one not with the office since 2001)? What of this claim that she is a "consultant" to this day? Now it's only a question of whether she "had never consulted with the Utah AG office about satanic crime." And her website previously claimed she has been a consultant for them since 2006, did it not? Her contact, Richards, left in 2001 and the other name she offers is retired? There clearly are NOT open investigations regarding these alleged 8 covens, and the investigations carried out in the 90s, when they may have wasted their time talking to Byington/Weindorf resulted in nothing.
Well, I'm going to follow up with Barlow. As I said, I wouldn't be surprised, given her history, if she hasn't spoken to him at all, but I seriously hope the State of Utah is moved to charge her with fraud given her refusal to give up this tale of being an AG consultant.
 
Okay -- in her book it says "Since 2006 she has worked with Utah Attorney General Special Investigations Section Chief Charles Haussler."
How is this possible if he's retired? Is she trying to demonstrate that she has not been misrepresenting herself, or is she trying to make us believe that she only lied a little bit?
 
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Still does:

"Since 2006, Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah Attorney General’s office of Special Investigations."

Second paragraph from the bottom:

http://www.freezepage.com/1354502854HRGIEWXXWG
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Hold onto that freezepage!!!

Douglas, please give me a page reference for this so I can include it in my letter:

"Since 2006 she has worked with Utah Attorney General Special Investigations Section Chief Charles Haussler."
 
xterra said:
Hold onto that freezepage!!!

Douglas, please give me a page reference for this so I can include it in my letter:

"Since 2006 she has worked with Utah Attorney General Special Investigations Section Chief Charles Haussler."
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Well, according to Judy it's page 421. Unfortunately, I have the Kindle version of the book and there actually isn't a way to correlate Kindle version to page number (which, as somebody who was writing a review for a magazine, I was shocked and disappointed to learn), so I can only take her fairly worthless word for it. I imagine she might have at least gotten that right. That particular quote is definitely in the book though. At the end, in the About The Author section, so it's not a quote she can walk away from.
 
xterra said:
Hold onto that freezepage!!!

Douglas, please give me a page reference for this so I can include it in my letter:

"Since 2006 she has worked with Utah Attorney General Special Investigations Section Chief Charles Haussler."
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xterra, I can't give you a page number, but here are screencaps of those pages from the Kindle edition (starting with the last paragraph of the first page). Maybe these will help in lieu of actual page numbers.

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/3272/22facesuag1.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/8671/22facesuag2.png

ETA: The "location" number is shown at the bottom of each page, so it's searchable in a Kindle edition. Not as convenient as looking up a page number while flipping through it at the bookstore, but still easy enough to confirm.
 
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Dismember said:
xterra, I can't give you a page number, but here are screencaps of those pages from the Kindle edition (starting with the last paragraph of the first page). Maybe these will help in lieu of actual page numbers.

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/3272/22facesuag1.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/8671/22facesuag2.png

ETA: The "location" number is shown at the bottom of each page, so it's searchable in a Kindle edition. Not as convenient as looking up a page number while flipping through it at the bookstore, but still easy enough to confirm.
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It's location 5997 that has the quote I referenced.
 
Dismember said:
xterra, I can't give you a page number, but here are screencaps of those pages from the Kindle edition (starting with the last paragraph of the first page). Maybe these will help in lieu of actual page numbers.

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/3272/22facesuag1.png
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Dismember, is there a time-frame (year) referenced in the surrounding pages from this link? The reason I ask is because Judy does not have a license to practice therapy and here makes herself out to be Jenny's some-times therapist. Thanks!
 
Is it possible to get in touch with the people she claims she's been in contact with? Captain Haussler and the "others" that are apparently also referenced by name? It might be worth getting their side of the story, particularly if they'd allow the reprinting of their words in a public forum. Even just knowing when Haussler retired would be a start.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Is it possible to get in touch with the people she claims she's been in contact with? Captain Haussler and the "others" that are apparently also referenced by name? It might be worth getting their side of the story, particularly if they'd allow the reprinting of their words in a public forum. Even just knowing when Haussler retired would be a start.
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I think Doug is...

douglas mesner said:
Well, I'm going to follow up with Barlow. .
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cosmicaug said:
Any progress on the Facebook group front?
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My understanding was, Strawberry and Doug are working on it as FB folk do not appear to work weekends, which means they've probably been open only two hours in Menlo Park at this point. And all those folks have to might have to catch up on their own FB accounts first thing Monday ;-)

I'm very interested too. We were rocking with nearly 200 folk and some great skeptic and research names in the mix before the string broke. I can still see the group and 197 member listing...just can't connect. Hopefully, it gets resolved soon.
 
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Altus said:
Dismember, is there a time-frame (year) referenced in the surrounding pages from this link? The reason I ask is because Judy does not have a license to practice therapy and here makes herself out to be Jenny's some-times therapist. Thanks!
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Judy is unclear on the timeline, but I don't see anything to confirm that she was treating Jenny after her license expired. That specific part of the book describes events that took place between 1994 and 2000.
 
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