Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[arthwollipot]

Want to know what the harms of legal porn are? - read the above. Legalise porn and normalise the sexual abuse of kids. Let's not be naive about what is going on with this content: adults are ORGASMING TO WHAT LOOKS LIKE SEX WITH A CHILD.

Good grief.

It doesn't look like sex with a child. It looks like sex with a sexually mature person. The only people who could think that they look like sexually immature people are people who have no clue what bodies look like. Seriously, you should watch some so you know just what the hell you are talking about.

Second, you still haven't explained why it is harmful, or in what ways. You have just asserted that it is, without going into exactly what harms are caused by it. "Harm" is a very vague term that you are steadfastly refusing to specify.

Consumers of said content are without bias? No such person is going to admit the uncomfortable truth.

There is no uncomfortable truth. At worst you can say that adults are getting off on what appears to be sexual activity between much younger adults, which, yes, can be considered kinda creepy, but it's not sex with children.

 

[Poem]

It doesn't look like sex with a child. It looks like sex with a sexually mature person. The only people who could think that they look like sexually immature people are people who have no clue what bodies look like. Seriously, you should watch some so you know just what the hell you are talking about.

The entire BBFC board are without experience of what young bodies look like?

Second, you still haven't explained why it is harmful, or in what ways. You have just asserted that it is, without going into exactly what harms are caused by it. "Harm" is a very vague term that you are steadfastly refusing to specify.

What I have done is to point to UK LAW which deems it ILLEGAL. Again, people are masturbating to content that is aligned (in mind at least) with child porn. The onus is on you to show why it does not do harm.

There is no uncomfortable truth. At worst you can say that adults are getting off on what appears to be sexual activity between much younger adults, which, yes, can be considered kinda creepy, but it's not sex with children.

If it is not actually turning the consumer into a paedophile, then it is fuelling content that normalises sex with children. The Harms Of Porn 101 - QED.

We absolutely do know that people, particularly the young, are acting out what they watch.

Start quoting some people with expertise that are rebutting that and you will be taken seriously. Stop citing yourself as an expert.

 

[Poem]

Art has swerved responding to the facts of UK law - laws which deem consumers of the porn described above, porn Art affirms they consume, as sex offenders.

This thread has turned toxic.

 

[Poem]

Seriously, you should watch some so you know just what the hell you are talking about.

I'll give you a chance to take that back.

Rule 1:
You will not post anything that can be considered to be potentially criminal. The posting of computer viruses, child pornography, or links to computer viruses or child pornography is strictly prohibited. As are posts made under circumstances indicating a considered likelihood of inciting a violent or felonious act, or an intention or knowledge that its content will be used for, or in furtherance of, any criminal purpose. (Such posts will be moved offline and referred to the appropriate authorities.)

Rape culture: a society or environment whose prevailing social attitudes have the effect of normalizing or trivializing sexual assault and abuse.

 

[acbytesla]

The entire BBFC board are without experience of what young bodies look like?

What I have done is to point to UK LAW which deems it ILLEGAL. Again, people are masturbating to content that is aligned (in mind at least) with child porn. The onus is on you to show why it does not do harm.

If it is not actually turning the consumer into a paedophile, then it is fuelling content that normalises sex with children. The harms of porn 101 - QED.

We absolutely do know that people, particularly the young, are acting out what they watch.

Start quoting some people with expertise that are rebutting that and you will be taken seriously. Stop citing yourself as an expert.

You keep talking about UK law and the so called experts on the board. And yet all these things that you say is illegal are not just available in the UK, they are ubiquitous. So that means what you say is illegal is wrong. Or it's a paper law. Which is a law on the books but ignored and un-enforced. Either way, the effect is the same.

I'm afraid you're tilting at windmills Don.

 

[Poem]

Absent fathers?

Moral outrage over Bonnie Blue’s porn empire misses the point: this is hardcore economics
(The Guardian, 5 Aug 2025)

Ironically, the biggest short-term beneficiary of such a storm may be Bonnie/Tia herself, already a dab hand at posting rage-bait videos expertly calibrated to provoke women who already can’t stand her (and are willing to explain why at length to their own followers on their own social media channels). Being hated is great for business, she explains chirpily: the more women publicly denounce her, the more their sons and husbands will Google her. Her real skill is in monetising both lust and rage, crossing the internet’s two most powerful streams to capture its most lucrative currency: attention.

 

[Poem]

You keep talking about UK law and the so called experts on the board. And yet all these things that you say is illegal are not just available in the UK, they are ubiquitous. So that means what you say is illegal is wrong. Or it's a paper law. Which is a law on the books but ignored and un-enforced. Either way, the effect is the same.

I'm afraid you're tilting at windmills Don.

Are UK consumers of such content on DVD sex offenders? Yes or no? Again, your cynical, reckless entitlement is noted.

 

[acbytesla]

I'll give you a chance to take that back.

Rule 1:
You will not post anything that can be considered to be potentially criminal. The posting of computer viruses, child pornography, or links to computer viruses or child pornography is strictly prohibited. As are posts made under circumstances indicating a considered likelihood of inciting a violent or felonious act, or an intention or knowledge that its content will be used for, or in furtherance of, any criminal purpose. (Such posts will be moved offline and referred to the appropriate authorities.)

Rape culture: a society or environment whose prevailing social attitudes have the effect of normalizing or trivializing sexual assault and abuse.

And yet his post did not do any of that. You obviously not only don't understand the law, but the rules.

 

[Poem]

And yet his post did not do any of that. You obviously not only don't understand the law, but the rules.

You are so far behind in substantiating your myriad assertions, including this one, I've lost count. Start with Michael Sheath and his supposed faith.

a considered likelihood of inciting a violent or felonious act, or an intention or knowledge that its content will be used for, or in furtherance of, any criminal purpose.

 

[acbytesla]

You are so far behind in substantiating your myriad assertions I've lost count. Start with with Michael Sheath and his supposed faith.

I am so far behind in substantiating my assertions? You give me a chuckle. You keep pointing out statements of people that say the Sun doesn't exist. While in the meantime, I'm pointing at the Sun and saying, "there it is."

I can't help you if you refuse to look at it.

 

[acbytesla]

Are UK consumers of such content on DVD sex offenders? Yes or no? Again, your cynical, reckless entitlement is noted.

I'm cynical that I'm a realist? Seriously?

 

[Poem]

I am so far behind in substantiating my assertions? You give me a chuckle. You keep pointing out statements of people that say the Sun doesn't exist. While in the meantime, I'm pointing at the Sun and saying, "there it is."

I can't help you if you refuse to look at it.

I know you won't engage with the following, so I am wasting my time...

Are you denying that the UK has made such porn (actors that appear to be under 18) illegal? See #4.289 - the relevant section being:

(5)“Child”, subject to subsection (6), means a person under the age of 18.
(6)Where an image shows a person the image is to be treated as an image of a child if—
(a)the impression conveyed by the image is that the person shown is a child, or
(b)the predominant impression conveyed is that the person shown is a child despite the fact that some of the physical characteristics shown are not those of a child.

Address the specifics of the language used.

 

[Poem]

I'm cynical that I'm a realist? Seriously?

Swerved again. Myriad.

 

[Poem]

Art and acbytesla refuse to answer straightforward questions about UK laws designed to protect children from sex offenders. Watching the material being discussed (as they do) is equated with the possession of indecent child images (see Darat's post #4.289).

@Lithrael too. Anyone else?

 

[acbytesla]

I know you won't engage with the following, so I am wasting my time...

Are you denying that the UK has made such porn (actors that appear to be under 18) illegal? See #4.289 - the relevant section being:

(5)“Child”, subject to subsection (6), means a person under the age of 18.
(6)Where an image shows a person the image is to be treated as an image of a child if—
(a)the impression conveyed by the image is that the person shown is a child, or
(b)the predominant impression conveyed is that the person shown is a child despite the fact that some of the physical characteristics shown are not those of a child.

Address the specifics of the language used.

You're right, I won't. I don't need to. You keep pointing at words on a page that says what is available all around you is illegal. Even if you're right, it's irrelevant and no one cares.

 

[Poem]

Bit like saying rape has been effectively decriminalised in the UK (it has, see Vera Baird).

 

[acbytesla]

Bit like saying rape has been effectively decriminalised in the UK (it has, see Vera Baird).

They're adults and it is consensual. That's not rape.

 

[Poem]

is missing my point....obviously.

 

[Lithrael]

Again, under UK law you, @acbytesla and @Lithrael would be deemed sex offenders

No, because I have not consumed any content any more suggestive than material that has been rated by the BBFC and legally published on DVD.

It does not matter what the consumer thinks looks young - if the BBFC deems it so, then legally it is. We know Bonnie Blue's classroom content is out.

Bonnie Blue's classroom content looks exactly like content that has been rated by the BBFC and legally published on DVD. I even found commentary on cuts made to get legal ratings on such material. Sixth form classroom settings and school uniform costumes on 18+ performers pass muster with the BBFC.

You've just completely ignored evidence that flatly contradicts the 'school uniform, classroom, young performers, illegal' idea, choosing instead to continue arguing as if it were true. God, it's like talking to Vixen.

 

[Poem]

Yes.

Your reply to:

The scene is intentionally attempting to portray a school-age orgy.

@Helen: you think this is a trivial matter?

And @theprestige - you thumbed Helen's response - I'll ask you both:

Are you denying that the UK has made such porn (actors that appear to be under 18) illegal? See #4.289 - the relevant section being:

(5)“Child”, subject to subsection (6), means a person under the age of 18.
(6)Where an image shows a person the image is to be treated as an image of a child if—
(a)the impression conveyed by the image is that the person shown is a child, or
(b)the predominant impression conveyed is that the person shown is a child despite the fact that some of the physical characteristics shown are not those of a child.

Again, under UK law, consumers of this material are deemed sex offenders.