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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
Apparently:
2. You will not post anything that is pornographic, obscene, or contains excessive reference to violence and/or explicit sexual acts. This includes representational artwork as well as photographic or video media and includes linking directly to such content from the Forum.
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In the meantime, Pornhub and thousands of pornographic websites are operating. My evidence is that. Your evidence is a bunch of prudes and religious zealots whining about it.
 
acbytesla said:
In the meantime, Pornhub and thousands of pornographic websites are operating. My evidence is that. Your evidence is a bunch of prudes and religious zealots whining about it.
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Okay, I think we are done. No engagement, no evidence - nothing.
 
Poem said:
Now go back and answer the questions I actually asked you.
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What questions were that? You mean that gish gallop?
Poem said:
Or are we done?
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That's up to you.
Poem said:
Name one poster who has suggested Blue looks underage. Are you actually following the thread in detail?
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You're the one that brought Bonnie Blue into this. The discussion is about underage porn. Why did you do that unless you were suggesting she looked underage? Wasn't that what you were implying?
 
Legacy of twenty-first century society: adults pleasuring themselves to what looks like children getting sexually abused and raped.

QED.
 
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Poem said:
Legacy of twenty-first century society: adults pleasuring themselves to what looks like children getting sexually abused and raped.

QED.
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Except that is totally false.

But you're going to believe what the zealots tell you. I'm going to believe what I've actually seen. But if you want to convince anyone, all you have to do is go find it. I gave you two starting links. You can also search for"barely legal pornography" on Google and share the links. I think you'll be hard pressed to find any that fit your description.
 
Legacy of the 20th century. Millions killed in needless religious wars. Just how many Jews were gassed? What happened to Anne Frank?
 
Poem said:
Legacy of twenty-first century society: adults pleasuring themselves to what looks like children getting sexually abused and raped.

QED.
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Adults pleasuring themselves are the problem? I thought you said the problem was kids seeing it. It appears you've just left slip, that that was just a pretense for what you really object to, which is adults having the freedom to access legal porn in private.
 
Myriad said:
Adults pleasuring themselves are the problem? I thought you said the problem was kids seeing it. It appears you've just left slip, that that was just a pretense for what you really object to, which is adults having the freedom to access legal porn in private.
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Actually that mask slipped a few weeks back. I don't recall the post, but it amounted to all porn is bad and icky full stop, and the whole Helen Lovejoy bit was just a pretense to try and give his position some unearned moral high ground.
 
Myriad said:
Adults pleasuring themselves are the problem? I thought you said the problem was kids seeing it. It appears you've just left slip, that that was just a pretense for what you really object to, which is adults having the freedom to access legal porn in private.
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Yep. This isn't about protecting children. It's about pompous prudes attempting desperately to enforce their lifestyle on others.

I asked him for evidence that viewing porn does damage to the viewer and we've basically received a suspect non peer reviewed study suggesting that there may be a correlation (not causation) between pornography watching by women and divorce rates. And little else. I don't value the opinions of people with agendas. That is always suspect. And even if they don't have agendas, they are still, only opinions. Nothing about these people makes their opinions more valuable than the opinions of others.

I'm in my mid 60s. I've occasionally looked at porn from my mid teens until today. And I have never been interested in children sexually. What's amazing to me the large amount of actual child abuse attributed to the clergy going back at least a hundred years. Probably 2 thousand years. But that can't be proven that I'm aware of, This is not the result of pornography. What seems to be clear, is those individuals are attracted to children. Not adults pretending to be children. But children. And that is highly illegal and can only be found through social media. Not on Pornhub, Redtube, Xvideos and similar sites.

Now, if Poem or others want to make illegal non-consensual (actual scenes deliberately made to look like rape) I could get on board with that. But that differs from obvious role playing. It isn't my cup of tea, but I know that one of the most popular female fantasies is the rape or forcible sex scene.
 
Poem said:
Legacy of twenty-first century society: adults pleasuring themselves to what looks like children getting sexually abused and raped.

QED.
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Myriad said:
Adults pleasuring themselves are the problem? I thought you said the problem was kids seeing it. It appears you've just left slip, that that was just a pretense for what you really object to, which is adults having the freedom to access legal porn in private.
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acbytesla said:
Yep. This isn't about protecting children. It's about pompous prudes attempting desperately to enforce their lifestyle on others.
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Yep. It's painfully obvious, that.

What I find fascinating is the meta angle. Is he aware that he's talking nonsense, and keeps on doing that nevertheless, keeps on doing that deliberately, in order to make his case against pornography? Much like an advocate does in court, makes the best case they can? Or does he buy his own bull, and actually believe that he's talking sense? (Don't mean that as snark. I actually find myself wondering about that.)

(That was brief enough, that short paragraph. And a one-off. And it's no more off-topic than OP's repeatedly asking his interlocutors, most markedly acbytesla, whether they've been desensitized by porn. Still. Spoilered.)
 
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Myriad said:
Adults pleasuring themselves are the problem? I thought you said the problem was kids seeing it. It appears you've just left slip, that that was just a pretense for what you really object to, which is adults having the freedom to access legal porn in private.
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An accusation from someone who not only thinks porn featuring what looks like a child is just fine but that adults pleasuring themselves to it is too? Have you been following? - have you noted the fact that in the UK doing so would put you on the sex offenders list?

Has it crossed your mind that I am not pointing the finger at a single problem?
 
Darat said:
Yep - in the UK it is entirely legal - there is simply no classification of "barely legal" - it is either legal or not.

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Just did a quick check for DVDs available in the UK, asked DuckDuckGo search for "UK sellers of pornographic DVDs", the first choice was this one:
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On the page that came up, there was a search option, I type "barley" into the search option, this was the result - pixelization added by me:

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Those are legally available in the UK with a BBFC classification that makes them legal to sell as DVDs.
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As I stated, "Hustler Barely Legal Vol. 3" does not have a rating on the BBFC website so if it is being sold on the yourchoicedvd site, then it is doing so illegally (and would need to be sold at a shop in person if it did have an R18 rating). I can't read your other example.

ETA: Actually, I am pretty sure this is a magazine - and not a DVD.
 
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Poem said:
As I stated, "Hustler Barely Legal Vol. 3" does not have a rating on the BBFC website so if it is being sold on the yourchoicedvd site, then it is doing so illegally (and would need to be sold at a shop in person if it did have an R18 rating). I can't read your other example.

ETA: Actually, I am pretty sure this is a magazine - and not a DVD.
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It could be either. Hustler, just like Playboy and Penthouse started out publishing magazines. But as time went on they expanded to home video.
 
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Poem said:
An accusation from someone who not only thinks porn featuring what looks like a child is just fine but that adults pleasuring themselves to it is too? Have you been following? - have you noted the fact that in the UK doing so would put you on the sex offenders list?
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Seems like your only recourse is to go to some other forum and try to convince them to ban this forum as part of the problem.

Well, get to it, and good luck.
 
Ooh I'm back, because I found a bunch more Young Harlots! There's a site listing BBFC cuts demanded to get ratings!
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Most of the BBFC DVD rating release cuts seem to be for choking, urination and putting potentially unsafe things in potentially unsafe places. Which seems to extend to a belief that five is too many fingers.

They are a lot more prudish than I expected! There was one where they cut a scene implying doing something quite rude with an amputee and the comment was pretty floridly grossed out by the idea. 'simply not suitable for home viewing' or similar. An example of one that was flatly banned was one where the entire premise was guys being kidnapped. They basically said it's not like you can cut the premise and you're only allowed to do nonconsent if it's roleplay and you've done it like a narrative instead. You're out.

I did find a few dialog cuts for things like 'talking about being 12 and liking lollipops' but going by some of these titles you have to get pretty far away from mere 'student cosplay' to get in trouble, and 'barely legal' continues to mean 'legal' and not 'pretend-underage.'

It remains pretty funny that you can have a DVD titled "Young Tight Girls: Back to Porn College" released after cleaning it up to the tune of:
Cuts of 0m 7s were required to change the title to remove the suggestion that the content might feature material likley to encourage an interest in under-age sex.​
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It doesn't say what the title originally was.
 
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