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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
And nobody here is guaranteeing that all barely legal type content watched on the likes of Pornhub et al is legal. No one.
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Poem said:
Because we don't want to end up fuelling child abuse. Did you really need me to say that? Perhaps there has been a crossed wire?
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So legal IDs kept by porn producers is not enough?
 
Poem said:
Art has swerved responding to the facts of UK law
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I don't know anything about UK law. I don't even live in the UK. Why would I argue from a position of ignorance?

Performers in legal porn do not look underage. That's it. Your entire argument is dead.

Poem said:
And nobody here is guaranteeing that all barely legal type content watched on the likes of Pornhub et al is legal. No one.
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How could anybody possibly guarantee that? PornHub et al comply with all legal requirements - they prohibit such content through their Ts and Cs, and they take every step they can to remove it when it appears. That's all anyone can ask. The perfect is not the enemy of the good. It's called the Nirvana Fallacy - that unless what you do is a guarantee of 100% perfection, it is useless. It's a fallacy.

Lithrael said:
IMO, nobody in Bonnie Blue's video looks noticably younger than the young lady at the lower right here.
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Who in no way looks underage.
 
theprestige said:
The last several pages have been devoted to explaining this to you.
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Is anyone going to own up to masturbating to what looks like a child? All the while know that they are getting turned on by what looks like a child, they will rationalise that, since said actor is (probably) not underage, then they aren't being turned on by a child. Doublethink.

Again, when presented with an obvious opportunity to articulate why you have described porn as pernicious, you pass.
 
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arthwollipot said:
I don't know anything about UK law. I don't even live in the UK. Why would I argue from a position of ignorance?
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Darat made you aware and I have made you aware. You should be troubled by it.
arthwollipot said:
Performers in legal porn do not look underage. That's it. Your entire argument is dead.
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Rationalisation. Consumer will be masturbating to what can only be described as a child. That is why the UK bans it.
arthwollipot said:
How could anybody possibly guarantee that? PornHub et al comply with all legal requirements - they prohibit such content through their Ts and Cs, and they take every step they can to remove it when it appears. That's all anyone can ask. The perfect is not the enemy of the good. It's called the Nirvana Fallacy - that unless what you do is a guarantee of 100% perfection, it is useless. It's a fallacy.
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No citation as usual. Pornhub remain morally bankrupt. They deserve, as the FTC have stated, to be CRIPPLED BY THEIR FINANICIAL LIABILITIES
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Who in no way looks underage.
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You mean - consumer won't let themself think they are masturbating to an image of a child.
 
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Poem said:
Is anyone going to own up to masturbating to what looks like a child? All the while know that they are getting turned on by what looks like a child, they will rationalise that, since said actor is (probably) not underage, then they aren't being turned on by a child. Doublethink.

Again, when presented with an obvious opportunity to articulate why you have described porn as pernicious, you pass.
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Apparently you don't know what a child looks like, But sigh, that's your issue.
 
BBFC Classification Guidelines - The following content is not acceptable:
● material (including dialogue) likely to encourage an interest in sexually abusive activity, which may include adults role-playing as non-adults

That would and does include the Bonnie Blue content.
 
Poem said:
Just. stop. this. doublethink. it. is. embarrassing.And knowing there is a difference between consensual sex and rape.
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Laughing. You really don't know what words mean.

Knowing the the difference between a child and a sexually mature young adult is not "doublethink." And neither is knowing the difference between consensual sex and rape.

"Doublethink," coined by George Orwell in 1984, is the mental capacity to simultaneously hold two contradictory beliefs as true, actively forgetting inconvenient facts and accepting deliberate lies as truth.

You were right about one thing though. You should be embarrassed.
 
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Poem said:
BBFC Classification Guidelines - The following content is not acceptable:
● material (including dialogue) likely to encourage an interest in sexually abusive activity, which may include adults role-playing as non-adults

That would and does include the Bonnie Blue content.
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You are dismissing a lot of evidence that what they mean here is not what you think they mean.

Genuinely and sincerely, from the cuts demanded to get rated, from the content cleared, the only thing the BBFC wants is that the 'characters' could plausibly be 18+. This means sixth form student characters are ok because plenty of those are 18.

If anyone in the film was said or directly implied to be underage, that dialog would need to be cut to achieve a rating.

The 'student' costumes and setting are not, by themselves, enough to qualify as "likely to encourage an interest in sexually abusive activity." This is crystal clear from BBFC rated, legal content.
 
Not to mention that Poem has called me out and accused me by name, by pure association apparantly, as I've already mentioned in the thread what I watch and it's not that. All I know about their personal bugbear is from either general pornographic media literacy or the search results, DVD covers, reviews and thumbnails looked up for this thread.

I will admit to having a bit of a thing for one particular guy who was always in a school uniform despite being in his early twenties, but he was too busy trying to kill Doctor Who to bother to get any of his kit off for us until his last episode.
 
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Lithrael said:
Not to mention that Poem has called me out and accused me by name, by pure association apparantly, as I've already mentioned in the thread what I watch and it's not that. All I know about their personal bugbear is from either general pornographic media literacy or the search results, DVD covers, reviews and thumbnails looked up for this thread.

I will admit to having a bit of a thing for one particular guy who was always in a school uniform despite being in his early twenties, but he was too busy trying to kill Doctor Who to bother to get any of his kit off for us until his last episode.
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Did you miss the posts where I called myself out?
 
arthwollipot said:
They don't look like children. Your argument is dead.
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Did the Nazis rationalise genocide by dehumanisation, teaching their children that the Jews were Untermenschen? This is where the legalisation of porn finds us staring into the abyss.
 
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Poem said:
Did the Nazis rationalise genocide by dehumanisation, teaching their children that the Jews were Untermenschen? This is where the legalisation of porn finds us staring into the abyss.
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You really are desperate making such an absurd claim.
 
That the UK de facto deems nearly every internet porn consumer as a sex offender should be sobering. That this has not been enforced just proves the OP.

And before anyone accuses me of pointing the finger, Darat got there first.
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In the UK it is illegal to produce or consume any pornography that depicts the participants as being under 18 regardless of the participants actual age. To do so could lead to you being imprisoned for up to 10 years, heavy fines and being for the rest of your life on the "sex offenders" list.
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