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Consciousness question

uruk said:
That's why I go to doctors. I want to live! LIVE! untill I die!

I want to clarify my statement about getting dead. Death and getting dead are two different things. "Death" is like having a college degree. "Getting dead" is having to sit through the godawful boring ceremony.
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Getting dead, if it's really painful, and/or long drawn out, I can do without. This is what I was referring to. ;)
 
Iacchus. Now that we've established that you seek out the help of doctors for obvious, pressing ailments with lethal consequences, let me ask you another question. Do you think these docotrs know what they are doing when they treat your wounds?
 
Iacchus said:
Getting dead, if it's really painful, and/or long drawn out, I can do without. This is what I was referring to. ;)
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But isn't that what life is? One long painful drawn out path to death?

Well, sometimes it seems that way to me. Like when I'm going through a colonoscopy proceedure, or sitting through a graduation ceremony.
 
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Iacchus. Now that we've established that you seek out the help of doctors for obvious, pressing ailments with lethal consequences, let me ask you another question. Do you think these docotrs know what they are doing when they treat your wounds?
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As I have already stated, the treating of "what ails you" is big business. I really do try to avoid doctors in this regard.
 
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Well I have to go with Iaachus on one aspect of doctors.
Doctors usually have huge school loan debts and horrendous insurance premiums to feed as well as a posh lifestyle that goes commensurate with all the effort put into a Ph.D and practice. But on the other hand, The insurance companies and doctors managed to get a malpractice suite cap passed down my hometown-a-ways claiming that when it passed the doctors would lower thier fees. Guess what. It's been over two years and the rates have gone up.


So it's either pay huge medical fees and get (relatively) quick top notch medical care, or wait for freakin' ever on a list to get, taxpayer paid, top notch medical care. you ain't got much of a choice.
 
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uruk said:
But isn't that what life is? One long painful drawn out path to death?

Well, sometimes it seems that way to me. Like when I'm going through a colonoscopy proceedure, or sitting through a graduation ceremony.
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Death is the conclusion to birth? It doesn't say much about why we're here does it? This is a problem I don't think can be resolved by going to the doctor. In fact, the doctors are not here to answer that.
 
Iacchus said:
Death is the conclusion to birth? It doesn't say much about why we're here does it? This is a problem I don't think can be resolved by going to the doctor. In fact, the doctors are not here to answer that.
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Death is the conclusion of birth. Your born, alot of stuff happens to you, then you die. There's not a damed thing we can do about it. (Well unless medical science and nanotechnology really makes an awesome breakthrough. But in any event, it ain't gonna happen in my lifetime!)

What it says about why we're here is irrelevent. (we've never been givin a clear or unambiguous reason why we're here. Just a lot of guessing) It doesn't matter, we're here and we have to deal with it. What it means is that you're givin life and you make of it what you can. So make it as good a life as you can.

I don't think it is the doctors job to answer any of life's questions for us. (just what's that spot on the end of my elbow.) What doctors can do is make that life as long as possible.
 
A true doctor should practice how to heal the spirit, and prepare us for what comes after death.
 
Iacchus said:
A true doctor should practice how to heal the spirit, and prepare us for what comes after death.
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Isn't that what various religious and spiritual agents are for?

Let the doctor heal the body. The spirit and soforth are up to you.
 
uruk said:
Isn't that what various religious and spiritual agents are for?

Let the doctor heal the body. The spirit and soforth are up to you.
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And, if one were able to heal oneself without running to the doctor all the time? Mind you, I'm not saying doctors don't have their place. I'm saying too much emphasis is placed on them being "the center" of our well being nowadays.
 
Iacchus said:
And, if one were able to heal oneself without running to the doctor all the time? Mind you, I'm not saying doctors don't have their place. I'm saying too much emphasis is placed on them being "the center" of our well being nowadays.
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Well I'm not saying to run to doctor for every little cut, scrape, bruise or sniffle. But if you have anything major like a broken bone (other than a cracked rib) a dibilitating flu, or a huge growth on your forhead you should definitly seek thier help.
 
uruk said:
Well I'm not saying to run to doctor for every little cut, scrape, bruise or sniffle. But if you have anything major like a broken bone (other than a cracked rib) a dibilitating flu, or a huge growth on your forhead you should definitly seek thier help.
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The thing is, I don't believe in this temporary state of affairs. And I don't see how the doctors, with their mononoply on health care (both physically and mentally), do anything to support this. What is so God awful wrong about death for crying out loud?
 
Iacchus said:
And, if one were able to heal oneself without running to the doctor all the time? Mind you, I'm not saying doctors don't have their place. I'm saying too much emphasis is placed on them being "the center" of our well being nowadays.
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I have a friend whose parents prayed over him instead of calling a doctor after he fell off a tractor. By the time the coroner examined his body, it had decomposed to the point where it was impossible to tell whether he had died immediately or after quite some time of prayer instead of medical intervention.

Worse, his parents blamed themselves for their lack of faith. When your mindset is one of "if you have faith, you don't need doctors", people die unnecessarily.

Your reasoning in this thread is an insult to their faith, an insult to the intelligence of the medical community, an insult to the memory of my friend. Do you really care so little about life?
 
Iacchus said:
The thing is, I don't believe in this temporary state of affairs. And I don't see how the doctors, with their mononoply on health care (both physically and mentally), do anything to support this. What is so God awful wrong about death for crying out loud?
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There's nothing, in principal, wrong with death. It's a part of life. But why waste the life you got now for something that may or may not be there or the way you thought or believed things will be there afterward. I do not discount the possibility of an afterlife (though I've never seen anything to make be believe there is one.*) But I do know for sure that I have this life regaurdless of whatever it may be, illusion or not. I'm going to do with it the best I can do until it's gone. What's after this life (if there is one) I'll deal with the same way I dealt with this life; The best I can.

I think doctors should have a monopoly on healthcare the same religious and spiritual agents have a monopoly on thier domain. Their the ones who know best about it. If I think I need a doctor I'll go to a doctor. I'm certainly not going to a priest to treat a hemmerroid the same way I would not go to a doctor for a baptisim.

Your talking gorganzola when it's clearly brie time baby!!!

(* the only reason I can think for there being an afterlife of some sort is that I cannot imagine my stream of conciousness ending. But then I did not have a conciousness stream before I was born. So......)
 
Mercutio said:
Your reasoning in this thread is an insult to their faith, an insult to the intelligence of the medical community, an insult to the memory of my friend. Do you really care so little about life?
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Let the dead bury the dead.
 
Iacchus said:
And, if one were able to heal oneself without running to the doctor all the time? Mind you, I'm not saying doctors don't have their place. I'm saying too much emphasis is placed on them being "the center" of our well being nowadays.
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I think you might have a point. I just found out that my brother's girlfriend has MS. She was given an injection and immediately passed out. I've read that there are alternative therapies for the disease (a more natural approach with dietary changes and supplements).
 
Iacchus said:
Let the dead bury the dead.
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WTF is this supposed to mean?

You had the chance for a respectful response, and your inane world view forces you to act like an ass? I'll remember this next time somebody posts about how polite you are.

You did prove me wrong about one thing, though. I had thought that my opinion of you could not be lower. I was wrong.
 
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