Cancel culture IRL

[johnny karate]

What is that?

Here's one:
Words have meaning- letters don't .

Guess what, put enough letters together in a certain order and viola- meaning.

All that leaves is remembering the correct meaning of those words and using them accordingly instead of pretending they mean something else to prop up a terrible argument.

 

[Distracted1]

I asked before and didn't see an answer.
If Carano had expressed her conservative ideology in different words, would you have expected the same outcome?

If not, then we could conclude that the issue is the particularities of the act that was at issue, not the ideology.

I don't know. Possibly, possibly not.

Looking at the most proximate cause cited (the pseudo-Godwin), and how innocuous it was, it's difficult to imagine them not firing her if she posted that she thought basketball players are usually tall.

 

[johnny karate]

She was put on notice in late 2020 about her social media activity. She knew what continuing down that path meant and made her choice. We can go down the “ought” and “should” road again but maybe she “should” have used some tact like everyone else who manages to use social media and retain employment does.

I mean, it didn’t come as a surprise to her she was fired, she just didn’t like that it happened. There’s a lesson there also.

In fairness, following strict behavioral protocols is only for black college students being hassled by the cops, not white conservative millionaires who spread life-threatening conspiracy theories on social media.

 

[johnny karate]

I don't know. Possibly, possibly not.

Looking at the most proximate cause cited (the pseudo-Godwin), and how innocuous it was, it's difficult to imagine them not firing her if she posted that she thought basketball players are usually tall.

It’s not, really. Unless one finds not imagining incredibly stupid and unrealistic scenarios difficult.

 

[d4m10n]

So, now you have to figure out why NBC does not care about an actor in their Law & Order drama making a Nazi reference while Disney cared about an actress in their Star Wars drama making a holocaust reference.

Pretty sure we can safely rule out "comparing one's opponents to those sworn to upload an historically genocidal regime" since both actors checked that box.

ETA: There may be other differences that really matter, but I think it comes down to whether one thinks the shoe fits or not. In a word, ideology.

 

[Cavemonster]

I don't know. Possibly, possibly not.

Looking at the most proximate cause cited (the pseudo-Godwin), and how innocuous it was, it's difficult to imagine them not firing her if she posted that she thought basketball players are usually tall.

Do you literally believe that?

 

[johnny karate]

Pretty sure we can safely rule out "comparing one's opponents to those sworn to upload an historically genocidal regime" since both actors checked that box.

Which actors also checked boxes for posting memes associated with anti-Semitism, mocking transgendered people, and promoting dangerous conspiracy theories?

ETA: There may be other differences that really matter, but I think it comes down to whether one thinks the shoe fits or not. In a word, ideology.

Is Disney had a problem with her ideology, why did they hire her in the first place?

 

[Cavemonster]

I'll note that Disney had James Woods, a long time vocal Trump supporter, as a voice in Kingdom Hearts III released in 2019.

If they had a policy against conservatives or Trump supporters, they don't seem to be applying it to everyone who shares that ideology.

 

[Distracted1]

Which actors also checked boxes for posting memes associated with anti-Semitism, mocking transgendered people, and promoting dangerous conspiracy theories?



Is Disney had a problem with her ideology, why did they hire her in the first place?

I see where you are going with that, and it makes sense.
She has been a conservative for longer than she has had this role, ergo, if Disney had a predisposition to not hire based upon generic conservative ideology- they would not have hired her.

That neglects to consider the fractious nature of the politics of the last year. They are, I think you may agree, an outlier in their ferocity. So much so, in fact, that ideological issues that would have meant nothing a few years ago are being brought to the forefront of our attention almost daily.

 

[Shalamar]

No. And they are not fired for making the twits.
Ergo- it is not the making of twits that gets one fired- it is the ideology of their content.

Gina Carano was not fired.

It was determined she was in violation of her contract, and thus, Disney declined to renew it.

 

[Cavemonster]

I see where you are going with that, and it makes sense.
She has been a conservative for longer than she has had this role, ergo, if Disney had a predisposition to not hire based upon generic conservative ideology- they would not have hired her.

That neglects to consider the fractious nature of the politics of the last year. They are, I think you may agree, an outlier in their ferocity. So much so, in fact, that ideological issues that would have meant nothing a few years ago are being brought to the forefront of our attention almost daily.

John Ratzenberger, a regular voice in Pixar projects has vocally supported Trump. He's a series regular on one Disney Channel series and is a voice in another slated to premiere this year.

 

[johnny karate]

I see where you are going with that, and it makes sense.
She has been a conservative for longer than she has had this role, ergo, if Disney had a predisposition to not hire based upon generic conservative ideology- they would not have hired her.

That neglects to consider the fractious nature of the politics of the last year. They are, I think you may agree, an outlier in their ferocity. So much so, in fact, that ideological issues that would have meant nothing a few years ago are being brought to the forefront of our attention almost daily.

In Carano’s case, how was it brought to anyone’s attention?

 

[johnny karate]

John Ratzenberger, a regular voice in Pixar projects has vocally supported Trump. He's a series regular on one Disney Channel series and is a voice in another slated to premiere this year.

And let’s not forget Tim Allen.

Weird how all of these Trump-supporting conservatives have somehow been able to work for Disney, a company that purportedly enforces ideological conformity.

 

[Stout]

Meanwhile, over in the UK.

'Cancel culture is stifling new writers'

Sir Kazuo, 66, said they were avoiding writing from viewpoints outside their own immediate experiences for fear of being cancelled by an 'anonymous lynch mob' online.

Stay in your lane, people.

 

[Distracted1]

In Carano’s case, how was it brought to anyone’s attention?

In my case, through this thread.
As I may have stated earlier, the lives and opinions of celebrities hold no interest for me except tangentialy (as in the case of someone losing employment for expressing an opinion).
FWIW I honestly would not care if entertainers and athletes (whom I also consider a form of entertainer) who's work I enjoy were doing their jobs while on work release for murdering white men over fifty purely for sport.

 

[dirtywick]

In my case, through this thread.
As I may have stated earlier, the lives and opinions of celebrities hold no interest for me except tangentialy (as in the case of someone losing employment for expressing an opinion).
FWIW I honestly would not care if entertainers and athletes (whom I also consider a form of entertainer) who's work I enjoy were doing their jobs while on work release for murdering white men over fifty purely for sport.

If that's really true, I can understand why you have so much difficulty understanding cancel culture.

For instance, if you were inclined to believe that murdering white men over fifty is something that should be stopped, stopping the finance of such activities by declining to buy the products that murderer produces might make a lot of sense.

Likewise, in a much less silly and much, much less hypothetical scenario, if you discovered a comedian playing a popular dad and role model on a family TV show was drugging and raping women in between scenes for fun, declining to purchase or otherwise finance the conditions that enabled this actor to commit those acts might make sense also.

For me and most other people, our personal entertainment isn't the most important thing on the planet.

 

[johnny karate]

Meanwhile, over in the UK.

... a rich old guy makes an unsupported claim about the paranoia of unspecified people, as reported in a tabloid.

Gripping stuff.

 

[Distracted1]

If that's really true, I can understand why you have so much difficulty understanding cancel culture.

For instance, if you were inclined to believe that murdering white men over fifty is something that should be stopped, stopping the finance of such activities by declining to buy the products that murderer produces might make a lot of sense.

Likewise, in a much less silly and much, much less hypothetical scenario, if you discovered a comedian playing a popular dad and role model on a family TV show was drugging and raping women in between scenes for fun, declining to purchase or otherwise finance the conditions that enabled this actor to commit those acts might make sense also.

For me and most other people, our personal entertainment isn't the most important thing on the planet.

which of those things was the young woman in question doing?

 

[johnny karate]

In my case, through this thread.
As I may have stated earlier, the lives and opinions of celebrities hold no interest for me except tangentialy (as in the case of someone losing employment for expressing an opinion).
FWIW I honestly would not care if entertainers and athletes (whom I also consider a form of entertainer) who's work I enjoy were doing their jobs while on work release for murdering white men over fifty purely for sport.

This casual attitude towards what others do seems to only apply to privileged people acting like jerks. The moment anyone pushes back against that behavior, the nonchalance mysteriously disappears and suddenly it’s Very Concerning what others are doing.

 

[Distracted1]

This casual attitude towards what others do seems to only apply to privileged people acting like jerks. The moment anyone pushes back against that behavior, the nonchalance mysteriously disappears and suddenly it’s Very Concerning what others are doing.

Those poor downtrodden Disney executives. How will they cope knowing that I disapprove of their actions?