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Avoiding Win 11 and staying with 10

What I hate is turning off stuff that thinks it knows what I want to do. Like bloody windows "snapping" my windows into place*. I've used a GIMP environment since at least early-mid 1980's (GEM on Atari ST512? OS/2 1.x?) and I want to put the bloody windows where I want them because I know what bits I want to look at. If I want Task Manager off to the right and just showing the process name and CPU% don't assume I want it snapped to the edge.
Currently I have a Win11 desktop, a Win10 laptop, Linux UbuntuMate laptop and a MacAir. The Linux and Mac were great straight from the go - a bit of tweaking for hot keys and I was happy enough.
Ideally for me the startup Windows dialog for a new user should include an option like "Would you like to be spoonfed and told what you should want to happen or do you have a clue?"
And gently down..........................

*when did that start? It's been a while. Was Metro the first?
 
Use Linux and Mac then....that easy. No one is forcing you into a Windows environment...or just get a new shell. They're pretty easy.
 
Scorpion said:
I received a message saying my hardware is not compatible with win 11. So I am just going to stay with win 10 without updates.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my computer. It runs streaming video perfectly well. So I am damned if I am buying a new one.
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Have anybody posted about the Extended Security Update program?
You can activate it without paying anything.

1. Open Control panel
2. Find Windows Insider Program and join
3. Go to the Windows Update screen.
4. There's a link to enroll in the ESU
5. If file backup is not enabled, you might have to change that, or pay some money.

This should give security updates until fall 2026 for now. I figure they might extend it yet again when the new deadline approaches.
 
Wudang said:
I'm pretty sure I'm not the first to mention that not all software (or Steam games) run on all platforms.
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Like I said, if you aren't happy with the GUI then there are a bunch of alternative shells you can get. It's just weird to me to see a statement that says "mac and linux were good to go out of the box" but those machines won't do the large part of gaming.

Anyway, I don't want to get bogged down in another linux vs windows battle. It means very little to me. I use Linux when I want an extremely lightweight OS that runs an application (like Pi-Hole). I use Windows when I want a complete OS that has a few things that bother me. I don't use Mac ever because I have no use case for it. I find the entire OS to be completely and entirely useless.
 
plague311 said:
I've used a few with mixed results. Some I like, some I can't stand. I haven't found one I love yet...
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I tried Stardock's Object Desktop with WindowBlinds for a while and it was quite good. Then I upgraded and the very minimalist skin I liked was gone and I decided it wasn't value any more when they switched to (?) an annual license model. Long time ago. Memory fades.
 
plague311 said:
Like I said, if you aren't happy with the GUI then there are a bunch of alternative shells you can get. It's just weird to me to see a statement that says "mac and linux were good to go out of the box" but those machines won't do the large part of gaming.

Anyway, I don't want to get bogged down in another linux vs windows battle. It means very little to me. I use Linux when I want an extremely lightweight OS that runs an application (like Pi-Hole). I use Windows when I want a complete OS that has a few things that bother me. I don't use Mac ever because I have no use case for it. I find the entire OS to be completely and entirely useless.
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Each shell and layer I add will slow down the applications I want to run.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Why should I be forced to scrap a perfectly good and fast PC ?
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No one is "forcing" you to do anything. If you don't want to, don't. Neither I, nor Microsoft, will care in the slightest. It's your security but reading through this thread of all the things people are doing to go out of their way to avoid having to go to 11, sounds like it would be easier to just go to 11...but like I said, I don't run your IT. Do whatever you want.
Andy_Ross said:
Each shell and layer I add will slow down the applications I want to run.
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Lol if you're maxing out that machine running your applications then it isn't a "perfectly good and fast PC". Shells use minuscule amounts of resources, we're talking fractions of a percent. I don't know what you do with your computers, but if you're constantly red-lining them doing all this music, video, etc. editing then just get a better device or a Mac, which are made for that type of stuff. It sounds like you guys are getting fed up with Windows anyway. So shuffle off to something else or deal with having a non-secured OS and perpetually finding workarounds to use outdated equipment. Enjoy that.
 
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I found the transition from 10 to 11 relatively painless. Way easier than the move from XP to Vista. Way easier than the move from NT4 to Windows 2000.

It helps to remember that Windows is aimed at the 80% of the population that doesn't really understand how to use a computer. Congrats to the 5% who actually understand what's going on under the hood, and care. You're special, sure. But from Microsoft's perspective, you're not important.
 
I have nothing against 112, it's on my Laptop.

I just don't want to have to scrap my PC because Microsoft have decided the processor is a bit old.
 
Andy_Ross said:
I have nothing against 112, it's on my Laptop.

I just don't want to have to scrap my PC because Microsoft have decided the processor is a bit old.
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Well, TPM 2.0 can reside on either the mobo or the processor, if I'm understanding it right from my research. FYI I'm not a processor, motherboard architect or anything close. I'm a networking guy. Perhaps you mentioned this before but I'd check your MoBo model and see if it can handle a newer processor if it matters to you, if not then ride it till the wheels fall off.
 
Andy_Ross said:
I have nothing against 112, it's on my Laptop.

I just don't want to have to scrap my PC because Microsoft have decided the processor is a bit old.
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When the Microsoft Mafia show up to take away your old PC, take whatever cover you can inside the room, wait patiently, and cut down on them with your shotgun as they come through the doorway. As long as they don't lead with flashbangs or worse, you should be fine.
 
Andy_Ross said:
:) I have nothing against 112, it's on my Laptop.

I just don't want to have to scrap my PC because Microsoft have decided the processor is a bit old.
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As you mentioned earlier, you can keep the older system on Windows 10 and not connected to the internet. It's not scrapped; it's merely downgraded, like the Vauxhall was when you bought the Jag. :)
 
arthwollipot said:
That's because you're thinking like a Linux user. :)
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:D

Hell no.
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Maybe put it on a slow boat Winnipeg so I can look at it? (It actually is possible to get to Winnipeg by water from Australia by making it to the Atlantic Ocean and going through Hudson Bay ... but navigating the hydro dams on the Nelson River can be tricky.)

Actually, all I'd need is the disc drive. I can put it into a spare computer and work with it there.
 
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Didactylos said:
Have anybody posted about the Extended Security Update program?
You can activate it without paying anything.

1. Open Control panel
2. Find Windows Insider Program and join
3. Go to the Windows Update screen.
4. There's a link to enroll in the ESU
5. If file backup is not enabled, you might have to change that, or pay some money.

This should give security updates until fall 2026 for now. I figure they might extend it yet again when the new deadline approaches.
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Yes, I looked into that myself.

It only costs $30.

It gives you Windows 10 security updates till October 2026.

support.microsoft.com

Windows 10 Extended Security Updates | Microsoft Windows

Use Windows 10 securely with the Extended Security Updates programme See how it helps protect your PC and find out how to get it.
support.microsoft.com support.microsoft.com
 
Blue Mountain said:
As you mentioned earlier, you can keep the older system on Windows 10 and not connected to the internet. It's not scrapped; it's merely downgraded, like the Vauxhall was when you bought the Jag. :)
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He can keep it connected to the internet. No one is telling him differently. He just won't receive security updates for the system after October of this year or the next. It's not a great idea, but with a well designed network and proper network security it probably wouldn't even make a difference. I know people still running Windows 7.

Linux has security flaws as well, many. If an end user isn't familiar with an OS, and doesn't properly keep their system up to date then they are no better off than a sunset windows box. I have an Ubuntu server but I still have to update it manually.

All that being said, it's easier to hack the user than the system anyway but I don't recommend it myself.
 
plague311 said:
I know new computers are kind of expensive, but reading this thread I think it's like people haven't had to replace aging hardware for other things before.

TPM 2.0 has been around for like...a decade. Sure it just became a hot button topic about 5ish years ago but most mobo/proc combos from the last 8ish years can be updated.

I don't know, maybe it's because I work in the IT\networking industry and I have to work on a handful of OS's between PCs, ESXi, switches, routers, etc. but I don't get the anger and hate of moving to a new OS. Windows 11 really isn't that bad. It's pretty much 10 but with a bit more security. Upgrading hardware is pretty common and buying a new PC\laptop every 5 years is probably just a good idea in general. Most people aren't rocking CRT monitors just because they still work. The tech is old, dated. You can get a new notebook, or even a half decent laptop for like $500. That's $100 a year to have a new, compatible device that, in today's age, handles the bulk of most people's lives. It just doesn't seem that much to me.
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Looks at the two CRT VGA screens I am still running in the shed- um

Looks at the several windows laptops and towers I am running- um without Windows...

I mostly run Ubuntu and have done for well over a decade- I got an XP machine- thats offline and used for kit that simply doesn't work on later windows versions, even in compatibility modes... and the CNC stuff is running on LinixCNC
But apart from that, I simply haven't run Windows since win7- and quite frankly, for the majority of the worlds users, they could walk away and most wouldn't even know...

(Indeed a friends elderly mother who was 'click happy' and regularly got malware infections is delighted since I 'fixed' her system at her sons request lol- its running Ubuntu- and she doesn't even know it- it even looks like it 'always did' but its locked down tighter than windows ever was lol- its got all her 'usual' programs she has always used...)
 
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