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A Thread for Democrats Being Useless

I explained why this is stupid. Running to the right never works for democrats.
It's running to the center. And it worked for Bill Clinton.
No one listening to a moron like Charlie Kirk is ever going to vote for a Democrat.
Not if the Democrats never reach out to them, they won't.
Of who? Billionaire donors? The right-wing media ecosystem does not exist to have intelligent discussions.
Your justification for why Newsome shouldn't have had a discussion with Kirk... is that Kirk doesn't do discussions?

Do you ever actually listed to yourself?
 
It's running to the center.
It's running to the right
And it worked for Bill Clinton.
But it didn't work long term for the Democrats or Americans. All the republicans did was run further right.

And, that was over 30 years ago. We've had an entire generation be born and become old enough to fight, die, or suffer PTSD in 2 wars.
Not if the Democrats never reach out to them, they won't.
again, that is not the forum for reaching out to people unless you are selling what they already want.
Your justification for why Newsome shouldn't have had a discussion with Kirk... is that Kirk doesn't do discussions?
He doesn't do honest discussions.
Do you ever actually listed to yourself?
Do you want me to pretend you are too stupid to understand what we're discussing?
 
But it didn't work long term for the Democrats or Americans.
How would you know? No presidential candidate really tried in since Bill.
All the republicans did was run further right.
I'm not sure why I have to keep pointing this out, but keeping trans out of women's sports is a centrist position. It is overwhelmingly popular among voters. It's popular even among Democrat voters.
He doesn't do honest discussions.
And yet, your objection to Newsome's conversation with Kirk has nothing to do with the honesty or dishonesty of the discussion itself. So I don't really believe you when you claim this is the issue, because you don't act like it's the issue.
Do you want me to pretend you are too stupid to understand what we're discussing?
I'd like you to stop pretending to care about anything other than enforcing leftist orthodoxy. Because you don't. You don't care about winning elections, you don't care about reaching out to independent voters, you don't actually care about honest discussion. You just don't want anyone on the left to leave the reservation, and you're mad that Newsome dipped his toe over that line.
 
How would you know? No presidential candidate really tried in since Bill.
Absolute ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. The democrats have been running even with Reagan for 40 years. Everything they do is done with the preference for helping big business.
I'm not sure why I have to keep pointing this out, but keeping trans out of women's sports is a centrist position. It is overwhelmingly popular among voters. It's popular even among Democrat voters.
Its an issue no one cares about. Its just something for right-wingers to bog down actual serious conversations.
And yet, your objection to Newsome's conversation with Kirk has nothing to do with the honesty or dishonesty of the discussion itself.
It's 100% that. Did I not make that clear? Where do I go back and edit my posts so I use smaller words?
So I don't really believe you when you claim this is the issue, because you don't act like it's the issue.
Its an issue because your billionaire daddies want you to think its an issue. So Americans keep fighting each other and blaming these icky minority groups instead of looking at the people with the money and power.

How many people does this actually affect?
I'd like you to stop pretending to care about anything other than enforcing leftist orthodoxy.
You mean civil rights?
Because you don't. You don't care about winning elections, you don't care about reaching out to independent voters, you don't actually care about honest discussion.

◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. You needed to invent this nonsense specifically because you can't discuss the things that actually matter to voters.

Where's the Republican plan to address climate change? The thing that's causing massive damage across the US and wreaking havoc on our economy. the reason why home owners in Florida pay more for insurance than their mortgage. In fact, people across the US has seen massive spikes in their home insurance even if they live nowhere a flood or fire zone.

"DURRR CHINA HOAX!"

Where's the Republican plan to widening income inequality that's causing a rise in poverty rates, health problems, and suicide attempts across all demographics?

"DURRR SHUT UP SOCIALIST!"

Where's the Republican plan to address student loan debt incurred because generations were told you have to get at least a bachelor degree just to qualify to an entry level job that can't even pay rent on a one bedroom apartment?

"DURRR GET A REAL DEGREE!" never mind that the most common degrees are in business fields.

Where's the Republican plan to address government overreach in the form of militarized police forces having total immunity from killing an untold number of Americans?

"DURRR BACK THE BLUE!"

Where's the Republican plan to address that the Republican president is a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ rapist who mounted an insurrection against a free and fair election and still pushes that conspiracy to this day?

"DURR! CRY ABOUT IT LIB! MAGA!"

Where's the Republican plan to deal with an unelected illegal immigrant slashing thousands of jobs and billions in funding for vital services for Americans while evading all transparency and accountability?

"DURR! CHAINSAW GO BURRRR!"

Where's the Republican plan for dealing with a president using his office and the US economy to run a crypto scam?

"DURR TO THE MOON!"

What's the Republican plan for protecting Title IX, which is enforced by the Department of Education. You know, the thing that not only protects women's sports, but also acts as guidelines for universities addressing sexual harassment and assault? but, y'know, "protect women".

"DURRR GOVERNMENT OVEREACH!"

Where's the Republican plan for dealing with the avian flu ravaging through American livestock?

"DURRR! BIDEN EGGS!"

And that's not even going into the ◊◊◊◊ show that is our foreign policy or those moronic tariffs.

All that stuff affects real Americans in a material way in their everyday lives. But Republicans have nothing to address them.


ou just don't want anyone on the left to leave the reservation, and you're mad that Newsome dipped his toe over that line.

He didn't dip his toe. He ran with their talking points.
 
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Talking about Trans issues AT ALL is a caving to the Right-Wing Narrative.
Dems should pick the topics they want to run on and where they are in strong disagreement with Republicans, but that we know are very popular.
 
True. Instead of talking about it, just pass radical legislation that is deeply unpopular, and then don't talk about it at all. Because democracy.
Can you provide the exact legislation you are referring to? Because last I checked, Trump was the one who actually signed legislation protecting gender affirming care in prisons.

So, ya, its just a distraction. Like the "Gulf of America". Time to move on.
 
True. Instead of talking about it, just pass radical legislation that is deeply unpopular, and then don't talk about it at all. Because democracy.
no - ignore it, point to the Constitution which says nothing on the issue, hence it should not be legislated.
And attack Republicans for not legislating it when they had the chance - EOs don't count.

Dems should focus on what Americans want: healthcare, education, a living wage, worker protection, consumer protection, progressive taxes.
If Republicans want to fight Culture War BS, tell the voters that you will get to that once their critical needs are taken care of.
 
no - ignore it, point to the Constitution which says nothing on the issue, hence it should not be legislated.
That's... not the approach Democrats have employed.

Oh, and the Constitution is also silent on health care. So I don't exactly take this as a principled position on your part.
And attack Republicans for not legislating it when they had the chance
Wait, what? Any time Republicans do legislate it, the Dems throw a ◊◊◊◊ fit.
If Republicans want to fight Culture War BS, tell the voters that you will get to that once their critical needs are taken care of.
Yeah, the Democrats have not been following your advice. Not even remotely.
 
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yes, Dems are the absolute worst Party in the US - except for Republicans. No one would vote for them if there was any other choice than the MAGA toadies.
 
That's... not the approach Democrats have employed.
Ya, that's the problem. They keep trying to jump through these culture war hoops republicans set.
Oh, and the Constitution is also silent on health care. So I don't exactly take this as a principled position on your part.
General Welfare
Wait, what? Any time Republicans do legislate it, the Dems throw a ◊◊◊◊ fit.
Ya, because there's no place for such legislation. Let's move on to things that actually effect people.
Yeah, the Democrats have not been following your advice. Not even remotely.
Again, that's the problem.
 
For example:
that's your idea of radical?

Ya, there's no need to keep this going. You got nothing. Feel free to keep your nonsense to the thread(s) dedicated to it.
 
Ya, that's the problem. They keep trying to jump through these culture war hoops republicans set.
Republicans didn't start the transgender culture war. You're just upset that they're winning it. The left is used to winning all the culture war issues, and doesn't know how to handle it when they lose one.
General Welfare
Glad you agree that we can dispense with TGZ's fiction that the federal government only acts on issues that are explicitly mentioned in the constitution.
Ya, because there's no place for such legislation.
Oh please. The left is absolutely fine with legislating trans issues, and has done so on multiple occassions. They aren't upset that it's being legislated, only that it's not being legislated in their favor.
 
Republicans didn't start the transgender culture war. You're just upset that they're winning it. The left is used to winning all the culture war issues, and doesn't know how to handle it when they lose one.
You are correct. Republicans didn't start the transgender culture war. That had been going on for millennia. It's only fairly recently that it became relatively safe to say we shouldn't brutalize these people.

That is what Republicans are complaining about.
 
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You are correct. Republicans didn't start the transgender culture war. That had been going on for millennia. It's only fairly recently that it became relatively safe to say we shouldn't brutalize these people.
Not letting trans-identified males compete against females isn't brutalizing them.
 
Not letting trans-identified males compete against females isn't brutalizing them.
Do you honestly think the transgender panic crowd will stop there? There are thousands of years of historical oppression there, but you think they will let it go if we prohibit a small number of transgender athletes who want to compete? Do you really believe that will be it?
 
Do you honestly think the transgender panic crowd will stop there?
I think the majority of voters will stop will sensible measures, yes. But the Democrats can’t even concede that much. It’s part of why they lost.
 

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