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A Thread for Democrats Being Useless

It was no such thing. MAGA (20%) hate and fear us. The rest do not see us as that, more like we are seen as ineffective and irrelevant. And we are too involved in useless things like college education.

Harris lost by 2% which can be accounted largely by her being a black woman and somewhat of a foreigner.
Correction: Harris lost more because the press couldn't mention her without emphasizing her race and sex to such a degree that anybody not rooting for her on demographics alone found it a bit unseemly.

Basically, this type of identity politics doesn't work as your flagship argument. Hillary proved it.

Nor have we had a black president that was elected because he was black. Obama was often criticized for "acting too white" by the same people who respond to this sort of thing.

I know it wasn't entirely Harris's fault... she wasn't in control of framing that happened mostly outside of her actual campaign. Her personal demographics literally needed to be downplayed, not emphasized, to work. Her race and gender are not valid qualifications for the office. It also might have been nice to hear her campaign explicitly mention that (like Obama did). I dunno... she might have even done so at some point, but I sure never heard it, and I was likely paying more attention than most.

The presidency is not and will never be a DEI position. And please note: this is coming from someone that votes Dem every time. Don't bite back like you think I'm a Trump cultist. I'm absolutely fine with a president who is any color on the planet and don't care what their genitals look like. But being different to former presidents in this regard is not a qualification for office.

You want a black, Indian female as president? Stop rubbing our faces in her demographics and move on to actual relevant topics, and it can happen. Until we can do that, it won't. Would you apply for a job and emphasize your race as your highest qualification? No. Nobody with any sense would do that, certainly including white people.

She lost because the framing in this campaign was awful... mostly because of people prone to making the same damn mistake you just did. You are sabotaging your own cause, and no amount of brainlessly doubling down will ever get your point across. No amount of being pointlessly outraged is going to change anybody's mind. To change anything, you need to either be diplomatic or have some kind of authority... or at the very least a proposed solution. What you did there possesses none of those things. It's just pointless whining and a vague accusation that points nowhere specific enough to even properly identify a culprit.

...and it only gets you sympathy if you're preaching to the choir. Sometimes not even then. It depends upon whether your specific "choir" is experienced enough to know better.
 
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POD Save America recently interviewed Hakeem Jeffries with the segment lasting somewhere around 10 minutes. One minute afterwards I couldn’t tell you a single thing he said. Stunningly bland if not lifeless politician speak. Words, words, words.

Give Bernie the mic. Or AOC, or Pete, or Raskin, maybe even Fetterman*. None of them are perfect, but all of them can communicate.

Mrs. Kcin recently said to me, “The Democrats are out of power; what are they supposed to do?”

This is what you do.

Make coordinated noise. Put out talking points and hit them hard. Hold a daily alternate White House press briefing speaking to Trump, Musk, and the rest of the tools in the chest’s lies, and ongoing attacks on the country. Work up a head of steam, something that will be contagious. Hit and hit hard on the issues. Do not shy away from the mics and the cameras. Take initiative. Battle. Oppose. Get in Trump’s and Musk’s face every day!

Fight, with teeth bared and claws out, today, which will be both for today and build for the midterms.

*Keep Jeffries, Schumer, Klobuchar and dozens more off the stage. They’re not good actors, and not good singers.
 
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POD Save America recently interviewed Hakeem Jeffries with the segment lasting somewhere around 10 minutes. One minute afterwards I couldn’t tell you a single thing he said. Stunningly bland if not lifeless politician speak. Words, words, words.

Give Bernie the mic. Or AOC, or Pete, or Raskin, maybe even Fetterman*. None of them are perfect, but all of them can communicate.

Mrs. Kcin recently said to me, “The Democrats are out of power; what are they supposed to do?”

This is what you do.

Make coordinated noise. Put out talking points and hit them hard. Hold a daily alternate White House press briefing speaking to Trump, Musk, and the rest of the tools in the chest’s lies, and ongoing attacks on the country. Work up a head of steam, something that will be contagious. Hit and hit hard on the issues. Do not shy away from the mics and the cameras. Take initiative. Battle. Oppose. Get in Trump’s and Musk’s face every day!

Fight, with teeth bared and claws out, today, which will be both for today and build for the midterms.

*Keep Jeffries, Schumer, Klobuchar and dozens more off the stage. They’re not good actors, and not good singers.
I would add to this that they should be very visible at protests, that they should develop taxation and business strategies that hit the ultra rich hard and benefit the rest of society and every chance they get to loudly and vehemently point out how cheaply Trampy and co are selling off America to its enemies. Make lots of noise and don't stop until you get your message across.
 
Hakeem Jeffries' role is to follow in Pelosi's footsteps and not alienate the corporations and serve as a buffer to the more "louder and radical" folk in the Democrat party. And i am not saying this is a good thing.
 
There are times in human history when a person or group sees an overwhelming challenge and fights to overcome it. When darkness falls, someone becomes the light. There are stories of individuals seeing their people beaten down, defeated, and on the brink of despair and rising to meet the moment and lead their people to victory.

This thread is not for those stories. This is about the Democratic Party being almost apologetic for being Democrats. Examples of rolling over for Republicans, failing to use the tools at their disposal, or demonstrating ineptness that would be hysterical if not for the danger of the situation. This is for Democrats making excuses, letting us down, and handing Republicans easy and unnecessary wins.

For instance, Democrats went along and helped approve Marco Rubio as Secretary of State 99-0. I get he that would get approved anyway, but there's no reason to lie down for that.
Blind, foaming-mouth partisans like you are a big part of the problem with our politics today.

Marco Rubio was confirmed 99-0 because he is highly respected even by the Democrats in the Senate. Why is he so highly respected? Because he was always willing to find common ground with the other side. Because he was one of the most bipartisan members of the Senate. Because he always conducted himself with class and decorum. Because he could disagree without being disagreeable and vitriolic. Because he showed respect for other people's views and feelings.

We need a lot more intelligent, rational moderate conservatives like Marco Rubio.

But, to unbending extremists like you, it's a travesty that no Democrats voted against him.
 
Lil Marco? Who told us how horrible and dangerous Trump is in the 2016 primaries? While talking about the size of his penis?

And I'm not one of those simps who treats "compromise" and "bipartisanship" as virtues on their own.

Now go tell me how a rapist conman is a great moral paragon. Better yet, don't bother
 
They need to become the populist movement of the working and lower class. However, Democrats, in general, seem to not want to lose donations/support from big corporations.
 
I've kind of only caught about 5 minutes of it now before he went on tansgender sports, which affects NOBODY! But hey,

There was a lot talk about how Dems would react. I'd just suggest a lot of loud laughing and not heckling.

In November 2012, Donald Trump proclaimed on Twitter that "If the Dow drops 1,000 points in two days the President should be impeached immediately!"

Funny, in a way, how things change.
 
Hakeem Jeffries' role is to follow in Pelosi's footsteps and not alienate the corporations and serve as a buffer to the more "louder and radical" folk in the Democrat party. And i am not saying this is a good thing.
Exactly this. People always talk like it's only Republicans who don't want to repeal Citizens United.
 
So, the Dems mostly failed their test for the not-State of the Union Address.

Props to Al Green, though. He was enough of an uppity negro to get removed. A few Dems even went out with him. The fact that he was the only one to be forcibly removed is a disgrace. There should have been someone getting bounced every 5 minutes.

Of course, Chuck Schumer picks a friggin Republican to give the Democratic response. Wait, Elissa Slotkin is a Democrat? Could've fooled me. Based on her speeches and voting record, she seems like she belonged in W's administration. Wait, she did work in his administration? As a national security advisor? FFS. Her speech was "Trump said some mean things, but Republicans are pretty great! Hooray for Reagan and Bush!" Was Liz Cheney not available?

There should have been a united response and plan. Not "hold up these stupid signs." They were better off not going at all, like several Democrats chose. Or they could have waited for the Orange Weakling to start speaking, then all stand-up and leave.

Bernie's response blew Slotkin's out of the water.
 
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"So why, then, did they vote him back into office?

"Maybe it was collective amnesia. Maybe it was boredom. Maybe it was an impulse to set the world on fire just for the sake of spectacle. Maybe it was a combination of low turnout, post-COVID malaise and a global trend toward anti-incumbency (if not anti-democracy). Whatever it was, it was definitely a mistake."

"No one needs to sympathize with these not-the-best voters or justify their actions. But it’s also necessary to resist the urge to shame or mock them (even if shame and mockery are indeed warranted).

"The Trump presidency is dangerous. Trump has appointed a cabinet that is farcical in its incompetence, and that is the point: People who know that they would never be in their positions of power under any other circumstances are loyal only to the person who has put them there—it’s not as if Kash Patel or Tulsi Gabbard has some sterling reputation to protect, or a professional future to consider, after all."

"Democracy really is on the line.

"That means liberals and other Trump opponents have a duty to welcome defectors, converts and the politically unmoored into the fold."

"If the stakes were lower, it would be easier to justify self-righteousness. But if you truly believe that the nation is as risk, then act like it—which means pulling in potential allies to the cause, not ostracizing them. In the coming weeks and months, the number of people badly affected by Trump policies will grow. Each of these people could be one brick in an anti-Trump wall, if we can get them to stand with us. And to pull people in, you sometimes have to bite your tongue."
 
◊◊◊◊ that noise. Trump was not an unknown quantity. They knew exactly who he is and what he's done.

and in other news of Democrats finding new and exciting ways to disappoint, 10 Democrats voted with Republicans to censure Al Green for Disrupting While Black. Only empty headed white folk get to do that.

The 10 Democrats who voted with Republicans to censure Green were: Ami Bera of California, Ed Case of Hawaii, Jim Costa of California, Laura Gillen of New York, Jim Himes of Connecticut, Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania, Marcy Kaptur of Ohio, Jared Moskowitz of Florida, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington and Tom Suozzi of New York.

Suozzi is the diet Republican who won George Santos' seat and he's been this pretty much his entire career. HE makes Kathy Hochul look like a radical leftist. Seriosuly, Democrats were so inept, they ran a diet Republican to take George Santos' seat, which should have been a slam dunk no matter who they ran, and they still almost flubbed it. Then, Suzii only held on to the seat by 3 points, which is pretty much the entirety of an incumbent's advantage. Not shocking at all to discover he's best friends with state party leader Jay Jacobs.
 
◊◊◊◊ them. They'll turn back to the nazi side in a flash as soon as they're promised it won't be them flayed next time.

That's been a big problem historically when cleaning up after dictatorships, the followers and mid level members don't get any punishment for their enabling of evil.
 
◊◊◊◊ that noise. Trump was not an unknown quantity. They knew exactly who he is and what he's done.

and in other news of Democrats finding new and exciting ways to disappoint, 10 Democrats voted with Republicans to censure Al Green for Disrupting While Black. Only empty headed white folk get to do that.



Suozzi is the diet Republican who won George Santos' seat and he's been this pretty much his entire career. HE makes Kathy Hochul look like a radical leftist. Seriosuly, Democrats were so inept, they ran a diet Republican to take George Santos' seat, which should have been a slam dunk no matter who they ran, and they still almost flubbed it. Then, Suzii only held on to the seat by 3 points, which is pretty much the entirety of an incumbent's advantage. Not shocking at all to discover he's best friends with state party leader Jay Jacobs.

I'm hoping for the Democrat version of the tea party, except based on real-world issues and not just because a black guy got elected president.
 
◊◊◊◊ them. They'll turn back to the nazi side in a flash as soon as they're promised it won't be them flayed next time.

That's been a big problem historically when cleaning up after dictatorships, the followers and mid level members don't get any punishment for their enabling of evil.

Going soft on these ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ post-January 6th and allowing them to regroup and regain control of the narrative is exactly how we ended up here.
 

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