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Samson said:
EJ Caroll bolsters Trumps chances in the election with this nice take down by Candace Owen's, far left extremist commentator

https://youtu.be/zoXZ8Uln-lg?si=8mMd_DtTVgNKyAD5
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That woman is hard to listen to. She's bought into Trump's "I'm a victim" schtick. It's quite dishonest to present one side of the case, ignoring the other side. Not that the left doesn't do the same, but in this case Trump's behavior in and out of the courthouse doesn't help his case.

I've never heard of Owens until now but how do you have the impression she's left wing? That podcast was clearly out of the Trump cult POV whether she's in his cult or not. And nothing she said was even left leaning.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Democrats offered him funding for the wall, $35 billion, in exchange for DACA.

Trump said no.
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Not quite. There was a deal on the table for wall funding in exchange for DACA, but at the last minute, Trump added ending chain migration and federal funding to sanctuary cities. Dems said, "This wasn't the deal", and walked.
 
Aridas said:
Sorta like the current situation with the border. Democrats look like they nigh completely caved when it comes to the Republican demands regarding the southern border in exchange for Ukraine/Israel support. Trump says "No, I want the issue" and Republicans suddenly oppose getting what they demanded.
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Fortunately for Trump, Biden can't do anything to secure the border on his own.
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Here are a couple interesting articles on just how much these migrants are costing. First, an article on Texas's expense in bussing migrants to sanctuary cities around the US:

Texas has spent more than $124 million sending buses of migrants to sanctuary cities, according to records obtained by Nexstar.

According to documents Nexstar obtained, Texas has paid $124,603,616.19 to bus more than 100,000 migrants from the state’s border communities to Washington D.C., New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Denver and Los Angeles as of Jan. 10. That equals out to 2,245 buses year to date, an average of 45 migrants per bus.
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I'm a math guy so I couldn't resist doing the numbers. That's $1,246 per migrant or a little over $56,000 per busload. Sure sounds like Texas overpaid by a bit, until you consider what they saved. From New York comes this tidbit:

Mayor Eric Adams’ administration will soon start handing out pre-paid credit cards to migrant families being put up in Big Apple hotels, The Post has learned.

The amount on each card will vary depending on the size of the family and whether any income is coming in, according to the details of the contract. A family of four, for instance, could be provided nearly $1,000 each month, which comes out to $35 per day for food. Cards will get refilled every 28 days.
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Okay that's for a family of four but sounds like NYC is basically paying $250 per month to migrants for food. So sounds like Texas saves their taxpayers money (and costs NYC taxpayers) in about 5 months, just on food, but that is only part of the bill:

If the program is a success, the city will expand it to all migrant families staying in hotels, which is roughly 15,000 currently, officials said Friday.
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I'm guessing that housing those migrants is costing several times the monthly food allowance.
 
Sounds like they should be processing them and getting them into paying jobs a hell of a lot faster than they are. That way the migrants don't have to sit twiddling their thumbs in those hotels for months on end, and can start making a positive contribution to the US economy much sooner.

I'm sure Texas has plenty of jobs many of them could be usefully doing, so they wouldn't even need to pay all those bus fares.
 
The Bulwark Podcast: Charlie Sykes and Michael Steele
The first 5 minutes is a bit of banter but then Steele gets into the big donors and lots of other insights into the current GOP situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjGFF0FiGGo


Surprise, surprise, Biden drops F-bombs when he talks about the former insurrectionist president. Plus, Mike Johnson is Trump's punk, and the RNC is behind in the campaign money race after spending lavishly on luxury hotels and private jets. Michael Steele joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend pod.

Time Stamps
0:00 - Intro
2:48 - Michael Steele’s New MSNBC Show “The Weekend”
4:39 - Biden Privately Calls Trump a “Sick F***” and “F***ing A**hole”
14:18 - Why Smart Republicans Are Supporting Trump
24:17 - RNC Spending Budget on Fancy Hotels and Flowers
28:01 - Republican Congress Won’t Pass Border Deal But Want to Impeach Mayorkas
34:03 - SCOTUS 14th Amendment Case
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Dr. Keith said:
Was the state of Texas on the hook for feeding or housing these migrants?
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I ask because it doesn’t seem like something we would spend money on out of the state coffers. Sure, there are charities that do these things, but I assumed the state didn’t. I’m genuinely curious if the massively overpriced bus tickets are actually saving the State any money, as claimed above.
 
Biden's foul mouth about Trump puts a couple of other things in a new explanatory context.

He's previously said that he's not sure he'd be running again if Trump weren't. On its own, that would sound like he just thinks Trump needs to be stopped so somebody needs to accept that responsibility. But that would apply to whoever's most likely to succeed at that, and he's the least likely to succeed at it and has to be at least partially aware of that fact, so if it were really about stopping Trump, that would be his motivation to get out of the way, not to put himself through it again (and obstruct any alternatives) if he didn't really want it. But the foul-mouthed quotes make sense of it: It's not political but personal; he doesn't just want Trump stopped; he has a personal emotional need to be the person who does it. (...Just like Trump's personal emotional need for revenge on Obama.)
 
Dr. Keith said:
Was the state of Texas on the hook for feeding or housing these migrants?
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If you look as some who have gone on the trek (at huge personal risk) and those at the start and stops of it, you will see there are BILLIONS thrown for migrations.

NGO's are there to support people in need. And there are those in need willing to risk a crossing from South America.
More need, more money.
The border crossings are an array of land/train/plane/bus/walk trek supported by NGOs that are supported by the UN, that are paid for- mostly- by the US taxpayer.
I pay for them to come and stay before those I know who have filed and paid and waited for over 10 years.

US taxpayer pay for migration that ends up costing us more, at least this year. It is also not very fair or secure for a country that is bombing targets and letting people (85% young male) from the affected countries to come in unvetted.

When Northern cities (who dont have these NGO's or cartels who take payments and give basic housing for manual work\ on a farm or ranch) suddenly get the migrants it is like.....oh my gurd! we cannot pay!!! What can they do!!???

What idiots. If Texas is overrun and cannot export to some farms or ranches, then it is full up. FULL. No parking spaces left.

I sense a measles/'other dire disease' outbreak soon to give Biden an excuse to close the border. Anti vax right wingers will be blamed. Hopefully, I'll remember to come back to this when it happens.
 
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Delvo said:
Biden's foul mouth about Trump puts a couple of other things in a new explanatory context.
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I think it's just accurate.

You might be right about Biden's motivation, but under any metric Trump is a sick ****.
 
The Don said:
It beggars belief but it seems that Trump is gaining support in the black community from Biden.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68175871

I get that you might not be happy with the speed at which Biden is making things better, but thinking that Trump won't make things much, much worse... :confused:

Then again, if people are stupid enough to vote for Trump, they get the President they deserve.
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These articles come out every four years, early in the election cycle. Every four years they turn out to be absolute bovine excrement. Yes the repugs are gaining slightly amongst Latino males in elections, but everywhere else other than non-college educated whites their numbers remain bad.
 
Sherkeu said:
If you look as some who have gone on the trek (at huge personal risk) and those at the start and stops of it, you will see there are BILLIONS thrown for migrations.

NGO's are there to support people in need. And there are those in need willing to risk a crossing from South America.
More need, more money.
The border crossings are an array of land/train/plane/bus/walk trek supported by NGOs that are supported by the UN, that are paid for- mostly- by the US taxpayer.
I pay for them to come and stay before those I know who have filed and paid and waited for over 10 years.

US taxpayer pay for migration that ends up costing us more, at least this year. It is also not very fair or secure for a country that is bombing targets and letting people (85% young male) from the affected countries to come in unvetted.

When Northern cities (who dont have these NGO's or cartels who take payments and give basic housing for manual work\ on a farm or ranch) suddenly get the migrants it is like.....oh my gurd! we cannot pay!!! What can they do!!???

What idiots. If Texas is overrun and cannot export to some farms or ranches, then it is full up. FULL. No parking spaces left.

I sense a measles/'other dire disease' outbreak soon to give Biden an excuse to close the border. Anti vax right wingers will be blamed. Hopefully, I'll remember to come back to this when it happens.
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Does that address my question?
 
Dr. Keith said:
Was the state of Texas on the hook for feeding or housing these migrants?
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Googling it, I'm not finding anything definitive but all the references to monetary appropriation are at the federal level. Pretty sure it's a Border Patrol/Homeland Security thing. How far down that rabbit hole do you want to go? I can tell you now that the point is always going to be performative cruelty, not fiscal considerations. Although I wouldn't be surprised if whoever's profiting from those exorbitant rates turns out to be someone's brother-in-law. Gotta get that grift in when you can.
 
Brainster said:
I'm a math guy so I couldn't resist doing the numbers. That's $1,246 per migrant or a little over $56,000 per busload. Sure sounds like Texas overpaid by a bit, until you consider what they saved. From New York comes this tidbit:



Okay that's for a family of four but sounds like NYC is basically paying $250 per month to migrants for food. So sounds like Texas saves their taxpayers money (and costs NYC taxpayers) in about 5 months, just on food, but that is only part of the bill:



I'm guessing that housing those migrants is costing several times the monthly food allowance.
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Just to be clear, this is what I’m asking about. Did Texas have any intention of being as generous as New York if there were no buses?

I doubt it. But Brainster seems to think differently, so I’m open to correction since I’m just leaning on my copious gut feeling.
 
To poke at the border legislation again... sounds like Mitch McConnell gave a speech exhorting his Republican colleagues to vote for the bill where they get everything they claimed they wanted and spoke of the great need and urgency for it. Then, 3 hours later, told those same Republicans not to vote for it behind closed doors.

Really, this is just yet another reason for asking "Why would anyone trust Republican politicians, especially with regards to the border or Ukraine?" Whether they believed in what they're pushing or not, it would be insane to trust them, and there's no good reason to believe that what they're pushing is actually good policy in the first place or being pushed because they think it would be, rather than as just another effort to sabotage the US for some perceived political gain.
 
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CNN bringing heat:

During hastily scheduled remarks at the White House, Biden blasted special prosecutor Robert Hur for saying he did not remember when his son Beau died. But minutes after defending his memory, he mistakenly referred to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi as the president of Mexico.
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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-classified-documents-report-02-08-24/index.html

I've reached the point where I'm all for dumping him for Manchin. Lets just get it over with. The world is on fire anyway and being down-ballot with Manchin would be less stressful for me and that's really what is important.
 
Suddenly said:
CNN bringing heat:
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Totally not senile.

How is it that the world's most powerful country, and only genuine superpower, is having its presidency contested by two blokes who can't remember the most basic details?
 
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