Aridas
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There are indeed others to whom Trump might be closer to. That doesn't change how disturbingly and increasingly close the comparison to Hitler has become, though.
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There are indeed others to whom Trump might be closer to. That doesn't change how disturbingly and increasingly close the comparison to Hitler has become, though.
plague311
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Yeah, that's kind of the point. He isn't looking for the truth, he's looking for confirmation of his bias. The same reason anyone would go to those sites.
Mind you he also brings up "the boy who cried wolf and all that" but is completely and entirely blind to instapundit's scare tactics about Dems. It's right in the description of the "blog", but that's not important. It's that instapundit gives him what he wants to hear, Dems are bad.
Hence the fact free arguments he tends to bring to the table.
sir drinks-a-lot
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OK. You blew that one pretty badly, as expected. I ignored the rest of your post.
sir drinks-a-lot
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Which arguments would those be? That's what we're supposed to be discussing.
Delvo
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This reminds me of the modern Christian denial of the fact that the Nazi movement was a Christian movement, particularly one detail of how they came to power that wasn't what they did, but what another political party did for them. Germany had a Christian political party at the time, which agreed with the Nazis to not run a candidate opposed to the Nazi candidate, because they understood that the same voter base was picking between those two parties so if one dropped out then their voters would unite in voting for the other.
Today, American Christians feel compelled to pretend the Nazis weren't Christian and also pretend Trump is. I wonder how long it will be before they feel compelled to start admitting & even emphasizing how non-Christian Trump is.
Aridas
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Alright. I suppose that I'll have to take that as willful blindness, on your part, then, given the emptiness of your reply.
Perhaps you wanted to suggest that Trump was actually referring to terrible criminals like some of the Trump defenders in the comments there? If so, willfully blind still seems quite apt, given Trump's actions, the wording, and the details. That's before even getting to his record of calling people "vermin." Trump's trying to play up fear and hatred against the other in much the same way that the Nazis did.
He and the Republican Party in general like to complain about issues like that, but they offer little in the way of real solutions. Their immigration choices over quite the length of time have pretty well shown that what they want is twofold. They want plenty of very cheap immigrant labor to enrich themselves and they want to keep taking advantage of the political issue and narratives that they built to keep that immigrant labor scared, suppressed, and really cheap as well as their candidates in power to keep it that way. Their concern with crime often seems to be far more about benefiting off of the punishment of it, rather than preventing it.
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Aridas
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Right wing "Christians," perhaps.
Far from all Christians. Rather disturbingly many, though, for such an extreme exemplar of sinfulness.
jrhowell
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CINOs.
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In yet another gift to Biden, the Arizona Supreme Court ruled today that all abortions are banned (although the ruling is stayed for 14 days) due to an 1860s law from territorial days. Kari Lake denounced the ruling even though two years ago she pledge to uphold the old law (and not the 15-week ban that was passed a few years ago to set up a test case that was obviated by Dobbs). Sounds like even the most tone-deaf Republicans are suddenly realizing that excessively short-term abortion bans are a loser. This ensures that the pro-choice turnout will be heavy (an initiative guaranteeing the right to an abortion is on the ballot), something that should not favor Trump or Lake.
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Gulliver Foyle
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The christian party did more than that, its leader Franz von Papen put together the coalition that installed Hitler into the Chancellorship and the party itself enthusiastically voted for the enabling acts by which he became dictator.
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it is not the job of voters to carefully parse the words of Candidates, actually.
it's the job of Candidates to be clear and unambiguous if they don't want to be
misunderstood.
it's the job of Candidates to be clear and unambiguous if they don't want to be
misunderstood.
Why would they want to be unambiguous? That could mean that they could be held accountable for their words.
a_unique_person
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I know, right. I'm just so amused I just couldn't feel any more joy if I tried.
The Great Zaganza
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exactly.
being vague is a tool, but it can cut both ways.
When Trump says "there are very fine people on both sides", it is entirely legitimate for everyone to assume that he considers outspoken fascists to be "very fine people".
We don't have to go into context or semantics here.
sir drinks-a-lot
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I agree with you that trying to change the subject to something else is probably your best strategy.
I'm not sure what comments by what Trump defenders you're speaking about, but it's not relevant anyways. You're trying to change the subject. The rest of the quote above contains yes another two attempts to move onto other claims.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, this is why I just assume these sorts of stories are falsehoods.
Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
Interesting tactic. You provided no basis for your rejection, then claim that I'm trying to change the subject as I provide video evidence of Trump saying such, in immediate context, and also deal with other potential grounds for your attempted rejection. All you're doing is telling me that I should just treat you as having no basis for your rejection.
You're still giving me no reason to assume anything other than willful blindness.
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Not a Trump fan, but I agree that he seems to be successful in reducing his enemies to quote-mining his statements. That there are still people pretending to need a fainting couch over the "some of them are fine people," quote makes me despair for critical thinking.
Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
*shrug*
I stated that Trump called migrants animals. I was challenged on it. I backed it up. I was told that I failed badly without any reasoning as to why. I backed it up with video evidence of such in immediate context and addressing potential objections, while keeping in mind the original context that all this revolved around, then was told that I was trying to change the subject. I'm not impressed.
While there's some merit in talking about quote-mining when it comes to Trump, the complaints, including when it comes to the very fine people thing, are often of unfortunately limited value in the larger picture. Like the very fine people thing, while there may (or may not) be a fair argument that Trump didn't mean it that way based on some bit of immediate context, the larger context in play tends to make such moot, at best.
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Brainster
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You left out the crucial qualifier. He called "some" migrants animals. That seems to be a fair comment to me. The Venezuelan immigrant who attacked Laken Riley on her morning run, dragged her into a secluded area and killed her? Animal might be too kind; I think he's more pond scum.
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