2018 mid-term election

[dudalb]

Yeah, I was wondering when this was going to happen.
I further expect there to be a more vigorous revolt within the GOP ranks against Trump if they lose the House in November. Trump might even draw a primary challenger for 2020 (if so, my money's on either Kasich or Romney).

I think Kasich is going to run,only question will he do so as a Repunlican or go the third Party Route.

Going to the left or right to win the primary, then sneaking back into the center for the general election is an old,old,trick with both parties. Problem is in trying to out Trump Trump,many Republicans have gone too far out to jump back to the center,and the Dems have all the extreme statements they made to win the GOP nod on tape and video and ready to go....

 

[dudalb]

The racist sexist homophobe Union & Manufacturing workers in Michigan, who voted for Trump instead of Hillary, would have probably voted in Bernie. Since both Trump and Bernie are closer on trade and labor than Hillary.

Now, the DNC & the Left has labeled them idiots, and racists for two years, instead of admitting they put up a bad candidate, and trying to correct their support of a globalist candidate that those workers felt would not have stood up for them in the international marketplace.

This is funny, given that the Trump administration is the most anti Union we have seen in a long time.
And just wait until Trump's Tariff policies lead to disaster, as they will.

 

[kellyb]

Now, the DNC & the Left has labeled them idiots, and racists for two years, instead of admitting they put up a bad candidate, and trying to correct their support of a globalist candidate that those workers felt would not have stood up for them in the international marketplace.

What the heck is a "globalist"?

In context, it sounds like you're using it as a substitute for "pro-market" or "free trade" proponent.

 

[Venom]

What the heck is a "globalist"?

I once opened a thread to ask just that

Seems to be a front term for "international Jew" [or Zionist].

 

[Norman Alexander]

And right back to labeling. It's amazing to watch!

I am the one pointing out Jimmy Dore is a left wing democrat with a large following, ie Bernie supporters.

I point out that all of this ad hominem abuse is neither logic/reason nor a successful election strategy.

You respond with irrational name-calling. Bernie fan = Trump fan. You cannot address his points, so you label him the worst thing you can think of.

Just FYI: Bernie is not a lefty. He is very much a centrist shading to the right compared to everywhere but the USA. Because the US political scene has been so skewed to the right that some of them are so hard up against the wall they can't raise their right arms. So everybody, everybody!, else is "on the left".

 

[Venom]

Just FYI: Bernie is not a lefty. He is very much a centrist shading to the right compared to everywhere but the USA. Because the US political scene has been so skewed to the right that some of them are so hard up against the wall they can't raise their right arms. So everybody, everybody!, else is "on the left".

Disagree. Bernie Sanders is definitely to the left of the vast majority of current US politicians, and would be at almost any point in U.S. history. His ideas fall squarely within the realm of an FDR or JFK, LBJ. Though people who think he is too radical might believe so because, as you mentioned, everything's pulled to the right nowadays.

And btw **** Jimmy Dore. Tired of his purity tests

 

[kellyb]

Disagree. Bernie Sanders is definitely to the left of the vast majority of current US politicians, and would be at almost any point in U.S. history. His ideas fall squarely within the realm of an FDR or JFK, LBJ. Though people who think he is too radical might believe so because, as you mentioned, everything's pulled to the right nowadays.

He might be to the left of the politicians, but when you poll regular people issue by issue, most of his ideas (including Medicare for All) have majority support.

 

[kellyb]

Oh please, stop the Jimmy Dore crap.
He is a Bernie supporter who now has become, apparently a big Trump fan.

No, Jimmy Dore is not a Trump fan.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Officials Defend Plan To Close Almost All Polling Places In Majority Black Georgia County

Election officials in a rural southwest Georgia county are defending a plan to suddenly close seven of the county’s nine polling places against allegations of racial discrimination, saying the ones it wants to close are not sufficiently accessible to people with disabilities.

Randolph County, the site of the proposed changes, is more than 60 percent black, with a little over 30 percent of residents in poverty ― more than double the national level.. Those voters were less likely to own a car and would be required to walk over three hours to one of the two remaining polling locations because there is no public transportation to get them there. The ACLU also noted the voter makeup of one of the polling places officials wanted to close was 96.7 percent black.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/randolph-county-polling-places_us_5b77115ce4b0a5b1febb04fc

 

[Foolmewunz]

Officials Defend Plan To Close Almost All Polling Places In Majority Black Georgia County






https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/randolph-county-polling-places_us_5b77115ce4b0a5b1febb04fc

I'm pretty certain that you can't clean up your accessibility stats by simply closing the places that are not in compliance. I saw a law suit in the making.

Remember, America.... this is the Congress that voted that we had to defang the Voters Rights precautions 'cuz the states are swell folks and they wouldn't do anything to harm their coloreds.

 

[Segnosaur]

re: Bernie Sanders...
He might be to the left of the politicians, but when you poll regular people issue by issue, most of his ideas (including Medicare for All) have majority support.

Getting a bit off topic here... but:

I'd be very cautious when you look at polls that look at how people feel on an issue by issue basis, since such polling questions don't give a complete view of people's attitudes, and could lead to contradictions. (Plus, polling questions often don't go into enough details for people to make an informed decision.)

For example, if you ask people "Do you want Medicare for all", you may get a lot of people saying "yes". But did the question go into details about a funding model? What it would cover? And if you ask them "Do you want medicare for all if it means raising taxes to cover it" I'm sure a lot of people would change their minds.

 

[JoeMorgue]

1. People lie to pollsters.
2. Polls are inherently biased toward people who care a lot about the issue and/or have extreme opinions.
3. Entire libraries have been written about how you can word polls to get the answer you want and manipulate poll numbers to say whatever you want.
4. Polls don't take into account "One Issue Voters."

 

[kellyb]

Getting a bit off topic here... but:

I'd be very cautious when you look at polls that look at how people feel on an issue by issue basis, since such polling questions don't give a complete view of people's attitudes, and could lead to contradictions. (Plus, polling questions often don't go into enough details for people to make an informed decision.)

For example, if you ask people "Do you want Medicare for all", you may get a lot of people saying "yes". But did the question go into details about a funding model? What it would cover? And if you ask them "Do you want medicare for all if it means raising taxes to cover it" I'm sure a lot of people would change their minds.

The "framing" of how the questions are asked is definitely a huge factor. You can get almost opposite results by asking the same question in a very different way.

There's this:
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351928-poll-majority-supports-single-payer-healthcare

This month’s Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds six in ten (59 percent) favor a national health plan, or Medicare-for-all, in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan – including a majority of both Democrats and independents and about one-third of Republicans. Support for such a proposal increases among the overall public (75 percent) and among partisans (87 percent of Democrats, 74 percent of independents, and 64 percent of Republicans) when framed as an option for anyone who wants it, but people who currently have other forms of coverage can keep the coverage they already have. It is unclear how support would fare if these proposals became part of the larger public debate as previous KFF polling has found the public’s attitudes can be quite malleable.

And on inequality, there's this:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph/

Asked to choose their ideal distribution of wealth, 92% picked one that was even more equitable.

 

[kellyb]

1. People lie to pollsters.
2. Polls are inherently biased toward people who care a lot about the issue and/or have extreme opinions.
3. Entire libraries have been written about how you can word polls to get the answer you want and manipulate poll numbers to say whatever you want.
4. Polls don't take into account "One Issue Voters."

1) data is often flawed so let's just totally ignore all data
2) nobody knows anything
3) I'm making really useful contributions to this conversation

 

[Delphic Oracle]

1) data is often flawed so let's just totally ignore all data
2) nobody knows anything
3) I'm making really useful contributions to this conversation

4) These polls don't align with my own anecdotal life sampling and subsequent beliefs about what consensus (or resistance) identity I can wrap myself up in.

 

[The_Animus]

Labor who voted for Trump thinking he was on their side are fools. Anyone who did any research would have known better but they wanted to believe so they blindly followed the vague promises of the magic man.

 

[Foolmewunz]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...idates_pine_for_trump_endorsement_137874.html


Arizona may be working on an updated of the modern coinage, "primaried". The GOP primary is still to come and with the sky falling in on the Orange Turdblossom, they're all clamoring to get the royal ascent to push them over the top against each other. They then have 60 days to convince an increasingly "less conservative" electorate that they really didn't mean it when they crawled over broken glass to say, "I want to testify! I have come to Trump. For he is the Trumpiest and shall be in our hearts and penal codes forever!"

 

[dudalb]

I wonder if the Airzone GOP is asking Donnie NOT to endorse any of the candidates, so the Dems can't accuse the winner of being Trump's puppet.
But a number of political commentaors have stated in lot of races nationwide , the GOP candidate is going have problems in the general election because the Dems are going to be sure swing voters remember the GOP candidate's oaths of eternal feality to Trump.

 

[dudalb]

No, Jimmy Dore is not a Trump fan.

He sure as hell is not saying much bad about Donnie, though.
It should tell you something that DOre has pretty much been ostracized from the Progressives "Young Turks" group because of his continued attacks on Hilary Clinton during the general election in 2016.
He said the election of Trump would be better for Progressives then the election of Hilary .

And the guy is a conspiracy loon:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore

He also seems to be pretty friendly toward Putin.

With friends like him, the Progressives sure don't need any enemies.

 

[PhantomWolf]

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