2018 mid-term election

carlitos said:
(D) Obama fought for TPP and (R) Trump killed it,
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Not exactly true. Yes, Trump opposed it, but he was not the architect of its demise.

Jul 26, 2016 How the TPP became the most divisive policy in the Democratic Party
Democrats at the party's national convention in Philadelphia this week are riled up about something called the TPP, short for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The bureaucratic title aside, this agreement would have major consequences in some developing countries and has become a potent rallying cry in the U.S. presidential campaign.

In Philadelphia on Monday, delegates chanted "No TPP!" and brandished signs declaring their opposition. They were frustrated that the party's official platform did not explicitly reject the Trans-Pacific Partnership -- a reflection of the fierce disagreement among Democrats about the deal's merits.

Hillary Clinton opposes the accord, even though she helped negotiate it as President Obama's secretary of state. Her former boss still supports it, though, as does her running mate, Sen. Timothy M. Kaine (D-Va.)
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Fair points about the Ds opposing TPP to try and get elected. How soon I forgot, only 400+ days or so...
 
dudalb said:
GIven ABP's posting history, it's a case of extreme Anti Establishment Attitude.
He sees Trump as destroying the Establishment (let's put off if that is true or not) and that is all he wants to see.
Call if the Joker in "The Dark Knight" syndrome...he just wants to see the Forest Burn.
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This looks like the Mind-Reading Tell for Cognitive dissonance.

or can you truly read minds?
 
Foolmewunz said:
Gun-lovin', immigration and abortion hatin' GOP candidate for Corker's vacated seat starts the stampede to run away from Trump. Expect more to follow now that the primaries are winding up.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...rump-loving-Senate-candidate-changes-her-tune
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Marsha's the rep for the burbs a few miles east of me. She's kind of TN's own Sarah Palin. He's what my congressional rep said about her last week.


https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...burn-would-jump-off-memphis-bridge/953300002/

Rep. Steve Cohen under fire for saying he wished Marsha Blackburn would jump off a bridge
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LOL

Btw, Corker was the one who said:

We're in a strange place. I mean, it's almost, you know, it's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it? And it's not a good place for any party to end up with a cult-like situation as it relates to a President that happens to be of purportedly of the same party.
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Probably the most insightful thing I've ever heard the dude say, because yes. Trump supporters are indeed essentially a cult at this point.
 
kellyb said:
Marsha's the rep for the burbs a few miles east of me. She's kind of TN's own Sarah Palin. He's what my congressional rep said about her last week.


https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...burn-would-jump-off-memphis-bridge/953300002/



LOL

Btw, Corker was the one who said:



Probably the most insightful thing I've ever heard the dude say, because yes. Trump supporters are indeed essentially a cult at this point.
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Are there any reliable in-state polls at present? All I've seen is a Gravis poll (which is neither in-state nor reliable) which shows her ahead by a few points.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Are there any reliable in-state polls at present? All I've seen is a Gravis poll (which is neither in-state nor reliable) which shows her ahead by a few points.
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There's this:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...redesen-poll-tennessee-senate-race/781031002/

The poll found 44 percent of respondents said they favored Bredesen while 41 percent preferred Blackburn. Both candidates face nominal opposition in their respective primary races on Aug. 2. Early voting runs through July 28.

Fifteen percent of respondents were undecided on the race.

The poll, conducted by Public Policy Polling, also found respondents had a more negative view of Blackburn than positive.

Thirty-three percent of those surveyed had a positive view of Blackburn while 46 percent had a negative view.
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dudalb said:
GIven ABP's posting history, it's a case of extreme Anti Establishment Attitude.
He sees Trump as destroying the Establishment (let's put off if that is true or not) and that is all he wants to see.
Call if the Joker in "The Dark Knight" syndrome...he just wants to see the Forest Burn.
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This is exactly why the democrats have lost all those governorships, all those federal senate and house seats, and all the state senate and house seats.

It's relentless labeling and demonizing, instead of addressing arguments and coming up with programs the people will support.

Pointing out how the shrill "racist, sexist, homophobe, etc." screeching has failed, and urging the dems to come up with a program most importantly for labor...

The response is that I am the Joker in the Dark Knight who wants to burn everything down. More name-calling. Labelling.

How does that get dems re-approaching Labor? It doesn't and that's why the dems will lose again. The leadership in the last month seems to have realized this and changed their midterm election slogan to "for the people".

But it's too late. Because it has been two years of indoctrinating the remaining rank and file with "racist, sexist, homophobe, Joker, Arsonist, extremist, etc." They're "for the people", while calling the people despicable.

Again, the approval ratings for Trump are not only fact, but understated for the same reason Trump support was understated in the presidential election. They are still sampling the same way. He is higher than Obama was at this juncture.

You just are not getting the point that calling nearly half the country racist, sexist, homophobe, fascist, the Joker, etc. etc. is alientating them. It is abuse, not discussion.

Reporting that to you, that hey look: your strategy is backfiring - the response is more name-calling. Can't seem to help yourself.

Even if you are right, an extremist can have great points. Hitler had an extremely successful military strategy of Blitzkrieg. You don't argue against blitzkrieg, by saying it is an extremist's opinion.

That is an ad hominem. Of all places, this board should know.

What you also do in alienating people is run them off discussion boards. You aren't discussing, just hurling abuse. So the board becomes a delusional echo chamber.

It isn't an insane psycho-killer delusion like you try to label me with. It is the rather simple mistake thinking you are in this huge majority and Trump has the KKK membership plus nazis. And the Joker Extremist Arsonist.

I didn't vote for him, I made my anti-torture and anti-Imperialist views clear long before the general election on this board. I spoke out against the Goldman-Sachs appointments. Against the missile attacks in Syria, I oppose the Russian sanctions, the list is long.

I have used Jimmy Kimmel, Noam Chomsky, even Michael Moore's positions on this board, I agree with a lot of them. I disagree with others. But it shows how the dems are not listening to their own people on important matters. They have alienated their own base, hence the record-low representation of dems in houses, senates, governorships, and the presidency.

You learned absolutely nothing from the election of Trump. Doubled down on the same failed strategy, and it is amazing to me. Because it isn't very hard to sit down with Americal Labor, you literally do that. You meet with every labor organization systematically, sincerely, and instead of telling them what luddites they are, what despicable people they are, you just ask a simple question: what do you want. Tell us what to do. Act like you work for them.

and I don't mean to "put on an act". I mean in the sense that actions FOR someone speak a lot more effectively than calling them names.
 
Brainster said:
In the mid-terms, it's a defensible strategy,
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Look how someone can be reasonable and make an argument instead of calling someone names.

Thank you.

Ordinarily, it would be. In the past, the Dems had a somewhat credible position of representing labor and republicans representing capital.

But the democrats turned on labor and gave the field to Trump. So being anti-Trump does not fit the historic labor-vs-capital framework. The dems just hurled insults at labor after the last election, right up until now.

So now at the last minute, the dems have turned their midterm election slogan into the more traditional democrats = "for the people". ie, labor. It is an attempt to put Trump in the traditional republicans = capital framework.

The problem is it's too little, too late. The party is a giant ship whose rudder needed to be turned after the 2016 election, and they would then have had two years of credibility building.

But instead it was two years of anti-Trump hysteria, where they were against Trump not because there was a better plan the democrats had for labor, but because Trump was the KKK and Hitler. And you, labor, who supported him are stupid white trailer trash sexist putin dupes.

This hysteria has culminated in the coordinated censorship we are seeing now. That speaks a lot louder than a campaign slogan, and it is the Dems distinguishing themselves with not only calls for censorship but much worse.

Again, Jimmy Dore did a show on how stupid this censorship is coming up to the midterms. It isn't just Alex Jones, but the left wing of the dems that are frightened with the militancy over the PC party line.

The Bernie supporters are still watching the DNC argue in court they can choose whoever they want, give the money to whoevery they want, and the promise their votes would count... is a lie they are entitled to.

So this "for the people" midterm sloganeering rings awfully hollow. Orwellian. Diversity = Conformity.
 
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LSSBB said:
Not to defend dubalb here, because I already posted my disagreement, however:

What makes you think he is, or has traditionally been, a Democrat?
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I didn't say he was.

I pointed to his name-calling. It isn't an argument. And the democrats have used that strategy ad nauseum. Likewise, not an argument.

And the result of that strategy is catastrophic losses in federal house seats, federal senate seats, the presidency, governorships, state house seats, state senatorships, now appointmenst of judges for years to come...

How much evidence do you need that this strategy is failing? The poster is using this failed strategy. Labeling me instead of using logic and reason.

So I appeal to reason and evidence: stop calling me names. It is not reason. The evidence is it fails in historically singular fashion.
 
Oh please, stop the Jimmy Dore crap.
He is a Bernie supporter who now has become, apparently a big Trump fan.
 
And if name calling means calling out Trump for the total and dangerous POS he is I plead guilty.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
Look how someone can be reasonable and make an argument instead of calling someone names.

Thank you.

Ordinarily, it would be. In the past, the Dems had a somewhat credible position of representing labor and republicans representing capital.

But the democrats turned on labor and gave the field to Trump. So being anti-Trump does not fit the historic labor-vs-capital framework. The dems just hurled insults at labor after the last election, right up until now.

So now at the last minute, the dems have turned their midterm election slogan into the more traditional democrats = "for the people". ie, labor. It is an attempt to put Trump in the traditional republicans = capital framework.

The problem is it's too little, too late. The party is a giant ship whose rudder needed to be turned after the 2016 election, and they would then have had two years of credibility building.

But instead it was two years of anti-Trump hysteria, where they were against Trump not because there was a better plan the democrats had for labor, but because Trump was the KKK and Hitler. And you, labor, who supported him are stupid white trailer trash sexist putin dupes.

This hysteria has culminated in the coordinated censorship we are seeing now. That speaks a lot louder than a campaign slogan, and it is the Dems distinguishing themselves with not only calls for censorship but much worse.

Again, Jimmy Dore did a show on how stupid this censorship is coming up to the midterms. It isn't just Alex Jones, but the left wing of the dems that are frightened with the militancy over the PC party line.

The Bernie supporters are still watching the DNC argue in court they can choose whoever they want, give the money to whoevery they want, and the promise their votes would count... is a lie they are entitled to.

So this "for the people" midterm sloganeering rings awfully hollow. Orwellian. Diversity = Conformity.
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Democrats would not have put anti-union judges on the Supreme Court.
 
dudalb said:
Oh please, stop the Jimmy Dore crap.
He is a Bernie supporter who now has become, apparently a big Trump fan.
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And right back to labeling. It's amazing to watch!

I am the one pointing out Jimmy Dore is a left wing democrat with a large following, ie Bernie supporters.

I point out that all of this ad hominem abuse is neither logic/reason nor a successful election strategy.

You respond with irrational name-calling. Bernie fan = Trump fan. You cannot address his points, so you label him the worst thing you can think of.
 
dudalb said:
And if name calling means calling out Trump for the total and dangerous POS he is I plead guilty.
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No, it doesn't mean that and it is crystal clear from my posts.

This isn't an argument. It is a straw man and empty virtue-signalling.

Your answer to why labor was lost, why Bernie supporters were lost, etc. is label, label, label.

And we really do get it. You aren't calling Trump a dangerous POS, but more than half the country.

Because it isn't just the Trump supporters. It's the left wing of the democratic party too. If you aren't conforming, you're [label]

I am not calling you names. I have made a lot of points, like losing labor. Losing the left wing of the party. The DNC lawsuit where it argues the party elites can name the nominee regardless of the promises in their charter and the votes of the rank and file.

I keep making points like this, and it's label, label, label.
 
Hey, ya know what? There were some interesting primary results on Tuesday. Does anyone have any comments on them, or is this going to devolve into another thread of pissing on each others' socks?

Ellison, accused perpetrator of domestic violence won his primary in MN. This could still be quite the sideshow. On the more interesting front, the nomination for his old seat (and a near shoo-in for the win in November) is gonna have Steve King and Louie Gohmertz flipping out. A) It's a "she". B) She is a muslim, funky garb and everything. C) She is a Somalian refugee. The "she" in the previous sentences is Ilhan Omar. And not that it matters but I find her gorgeous.

Then there's always Christine Haliquist, who got the nomination for the governorship of Vermont. And not that it matters, but I don't find her gorgeous. Do they have, like Regional New England Governors Conferences. I'd love to see that piece of crap from Maine have to deal with a transgender governor from Vermont.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
No, it doesn't mean that and it is crystal clear from my posts.

This isn't an argument. It is a straw man and empty virtue-signalling.

Your answer to why labor was lost, why Bernie supporters were lost, etc. is label, label, label.

And we really do get it. You aren't calling Trump a dangerous POS, but more than half the country.

Because it isn't just the Trump supporters. It's the left wing of the democratic party too. If you aren't conforming, you're [label]

I am not calling you names. I have made a lot of points, like losing labor. Losing the left wing of the party. The DNC lawsuit where it argues the party elites can name the nominee regardless of the promises in their charter and the votes of the rank and file.

I keep making points like this, and it's label, label, label.
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The racist sexist homophobe Union & Manufacturing workers in Michigan, who voted for Trump instead of Hillary, would have probably voted in Bernie. Since both Trump and Bernie are closer on trade and labor than Hillary.

Now, the DNC & the Left has labeled them idiots, and racists for two years, instead of admitting they put up a bad candidate, and trying to correct their support of a globalist candidate that those workers felt would not have stood up for them in the international marketplace.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Gun-lovin', immigration and abortion hatin' GOP candidate for Corker's vacated seat starts the stampede to run away from Trump. Expect more to follow now that the primaries are winding up.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...rump-loving-Senate-candidate-changes-her-tune
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Yeah, I was wondering when this was going to happen.
I further expect there to be a more vigorous revolt within the GOP ranks against Trump if they lose the House in November. Trump might even draw a primary challenger for 2020 (if so, my money's on either Kasich or Romney).
 
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