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It appears Judy failed to organise her own book signing on November 29 at the West Jordan Public Library, which is still on her events page.
http://22faces.com/events/event/book-review-discussion-book-signing/

I contacted the library in early November, warning them about the disreputable Ms Byington, and received this reply:

Ms. Byington contacted our Viridian Center manager to arrange this visit. It was not on our calendar because she had not followed up with the necessary paperwork. Unless she does this event will not happen. Salt Lake County does not own “22 Faces” and as far as I know we have no plans to purchase unless there is a demand.

Susan Hamada
Associate Director
Salt Lake County Library Services
8030 S. 1825 W.
West Jordan, UT 84088
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The event is still not listed on their events calendar. :)

http://host.evanced.info/slco/evanced/eventcalendar.asp?libnum=15
 
We have 66 members already. It would be great if we got to at least 100 by the time we're ready to start with the letters and complaints. (It would be even better if we got to 666, snicker).

For now I'm gonna put the contact details to complain about Byington up there.
 
Roma said:
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Another good way is to use anything that the lunatics had "published",
I was told by my old lawyer that if they published it then it's okay to publically quote it.

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*I am not a lawyer
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Roma,

I am not a lawyer either, but I know that short excerpts are considered fair use. Just remember that JREF has its own rules about quoting passages. And yes, posting online is publishing.* Thus you have published what I've quoted, and I have published this message. They can now be quoted fairly.

In any case, whenever anyone quotes a published source, be sure you give the entire citation. That means all authors, the title of the work (and if it is a chapter in a book, the title of the book), etc., just the way you would do it in a term paper in college (university).

At the risk of being tiresome, let me repeat that we need to focus on the facts and the claims, not on the people. Revealing our published sources is one way to do that.


xterra, who reverted to "professor mode" for this posting.


*"Publish" and "public" contain the same root, which is also in "population" and "people": http://etymonline.com/?term=publish
 
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Thanks xterra, if you don't mind could I ask you how I would cite something like this ?

Petition of the British False Memory Society seeking an indictment of Dr.Colin Ross for violations of the Nuremberg Code:

https://sites.google.com/site/memoryabuse/petition



*citing was always my weakness when writing my term papers, especially citing things from the internet
 
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I just made an announcement on Garrison Hilliard's Skeptix mailing list about the Facebook group. It's a very low traffic list but I would think that there should be people there who are interested in the subject matter. I am also hoping that someone there will repost to the more relevant Healthfraud mailing list (if no one does, I'll try to do it myself at some point).
 
cosmicaug said:
I just made an announcement on Garrison Hilliard's Skeptix mailing list about the Facebook group. It's a very low traffic list but I would think that there should be people there who are interested in the subject matter. I am also hoping that someone there will repost to the more relevant Healthfraud mailing list (if no one does, I'll try to do it myself at some point).
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Thanks for spreading the word!
 
Roma said:
Thanks xterra, if you don't mind could I ask you how I would cite something like this ?

Petition of the British False Memory Society seeking an indictment of Dr.Colin Ross for violations of the Nuremberg Code:

https://sites.google.com/site/memoryabuse/petition

*citing was always my weakness when writing my term papers, especially citing things from the internet
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Use your favorite search engine, and enter this phrase: "citing internet sources"; you should find plenty of examples. The main point is to indicate when you found the link, given that they disappear.

Especially on websites like the amazon.com Twenty-two Faces comments page.
 
xterra said:
Use your favorite search engine, and enter this phrase: "citing internet sources"; you should find plenty of examples. The main point is to indicate when you found the link, given that they disappear.

Especially on websites like the amazon.com Twenty-two Faces comments page.
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Thanks xterra,
and that reminds me, if you read something that just about makes your eyeballs fall out then you should immediately make a copy of it because when you quote it the lunatics will scurry back, take it off the internet and deny they ever wrote it.
 
xterra said:
Use your favorite search engine, and enter this phrase: "citing internet sources"; you should find plenty of examples. The main point is to indicate when you found the link, given that they disappear.

Especially on websites like the amazon.com Twenty-two Faces comments page.
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If you are lucky and your link of interest has been archived by The Wayback Machine, make sure to use that (assuming the link's permanence is a concern).

In addition to that, something I was not aware of and which I hae seen people use at Amazon (and here?) is Freezepage: http://www.freezepage.com/ . Maybe that is not useful for citing but it could be useful for your own records.
 
This is awesome! FB page is a like a wildfire. There was a small Castlewood Yahoo group and I posted about the FB group. They joined and they have pictures of the therapists that did the SRA therapy right on their FB page. FB is up to 90 folks already! Woot. Strawberry might get her 666 yet ;-)
 
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93 members in the first 24 hours - not too shabby. Thank you to all of you who have spread the word, much appreciated.

What would be great is if we could get some lawyers in the group if we don't already have any.
 
Altus said:
This is awesome! FB page is a like a wildfire. There was a small Castlewood Yahoo group and I posted about the FB group. They joined and they have pictures of the therapists that did the SRA therapy right on their FB page. FB is up to 90 folks already! Woot. Strawberry might get her 666 yet ;-)
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117 now! :cheerleader2

If anyone's wondering who the guy with the avatar of himself with horns is, it's a friend of mine from New Zealand - one of the most skeptical people I know, even if he doesn't call himself a skeptic. I burst out laughing when I saw his avatar up there in the members list. :)

Altus said:
Cool. Chris Barden just took on Colin Ross. Not so good for our Pigasus winner. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ity-excluded-in-twilight-rapist-insanity-case
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:thumbsup: Awesome. And kudos to the judge in the case!
 
Hi,
I have not been avoiding this thread, I just have not been reading it. Preparing for school , other threads, GalaxyZoo and Diablo III.

I find the goal of denouncing this crap in a garbage truck laudable and to be commended.

Just as a response to the PM I received:

- I do not know that the DID will be removed from the next version of the DSM when they get around to the revision after the current one. By the time they get to the DSM-VII it may be possible. The main reasons I do not think that it will be as likely too soon are as follows.
--The DSM has many very nice tight diagnosis and assessment criteria, it also has some terrible ones. The whole set of Personality Disorders is rather vague and sketchy but often useful as characterizations of categories of behavior. So while DID is most likely always going to be a set of other issues, it will be a while before it gets cleaned up.
--Doctors and other clinician are really bad at using the rule outs as a general group. There are clinicians who follow the guidelines and those who don't. So Borderline personality get diagnosed in the presence of Axis I frequently. Now in many cases this again just a way of communicating the person very poor coping skills.
--Good psychiatrists and good therapists and assessers will always consider medical conditions and the possible consequences. However not all practitioners are so careful and wise.
--Good psychiatrists and clinicians sometimes have to find a diagnostic label the consumer is comfortable with.

Other issues than influence this crazy boatload of detritus and trash: related to the standards of licensing and practice
-lack of standards nation wide for who can practice what sort of behavior and call it counseling/therapy
-lack of enforcement of existing laws and regulations
-people who are not licensed or allowed to practice under law who do so anyhow
-practitioners who are licensed in one area but over step the boundaries and violate all sorts of ethical standards and best practice

More issues that influence this mountain of delusion and misperceptions:
-the single study effect, one study poorly done and poorly documented gets repeated frequently and spread
-the misattribution effect, a study or series of studies gets cited out of context and erroneous conclusions are drawn
-client shopping effect, people with substance abuse disorders, diagnoses that they don't like will look for people who feed their addictions and/or aggrandize them
-the personality disorder payoff, all PDs have one major benefit, the individual gets off the hook for personal responsibility and accountability, they get other people to take care of them
-con people and scam artists who exploit the vulnerable
-the sensation journalism effect.

The solution, exactly what is happening, people talking about it and moving the public perceptions of these events.
 
Dancing David said:
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--Good psychiatrists and clinicians sometimes have to find a diagnostic label the consumer is comfortable with.

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That's the one that makes me angry.

When Dr.Colin Ross left (fled) the country he gave all of his MPD/DID patients to a Dr.Eric Ellis up here in Winnipeg.
I spoke to Ellis a couple of years later when it occurred to me that the "therapy" I had endured under the care of Ross had traumatized me and I needed help. Someone at the FMS Foundation told me that Ellis was a member so I felt comfortable going over to speak with him. I had no idea he was connected to Ross until that day and I asked him why if he was member of the False Memory Syndrom Foundation he was still treating Ross' old patients for MPD/DID, you know, since they weren't MPD/DID.
Dr.Ellis responded that none of those patients actually had MPD/DID, they were all suffering from false memory syndrom, but they liked their diagnosis and they had made friends in their support groups.
I couldn't leave Ellis' office fast enough. He couldn't understand the ethical problem of giving a patient an incorrect diagnosis just because that's the diagnosis they wanted. He couldn't understand that with an incorrect diagnosis comes an incorrect treatment and the patient's true presenting problem never gets addressed and treated so then the patient has no hope of getting better, and in the case of MPD/DID will only deteriorate.
I know that psych patients will shop around until they find a therapist who will give them the diagnosis they are looking for, therapists know that too, but it's not ethical.
 
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