General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[Virus]

Great. Well, since none of these boats are carrying weapons of any sort, there's no reason for Israel to prevent them from reaching Gaza.

A blockade is a blockade.

 

[Virus]

You are very slow to understand anything, aren't you. Every time you repeat it back, you get it completely wrong. Hitler hated the Jews because he wrongly believed that they caused Germany to lose WWI and caused the the chaos that ensued after it. He hated the French because of the Treaty of Versailles and invaded and conquered them, making them sign their surrender in the same train car that Germany had had to sign it's surrender after it conquered them. So if you swap Eskimo's for French, you are getting closer. His anti-semitism was based on completely wrong logic, the Jews didn't make Germany lose WWI, nor cause the chaos and poverty that followed them losing WWI. The whole idea was just a result of his paranoia and not based on any facts.

Much of what Hamas says is really anti-semitic. Yes, really.

They killed 20 million people. It wasn't a wrong interpretation of history. It was hysteria.

Your problem is that you assume all human behaviour is rationally explicable. Hence your repeated dismissal of what the Palestinians actually say in favour of what they "should" say.

It's not entirely your fault, the human brain is hard-wired to see purpose and doesn't deal well with things happening for no reason.

 

[The Fool]

Once again, your position is that it's not possible for them to have a state unless they get the land they want first. No they wouldn't leave. Now what is stopping them?

so you think a state is something occupied by a foreign power? It appears your "state" is absolutely indistinguishable from a non state.....

 

[mortimer]

Great. Well, since none of these boats are carrying weapons of any sort, there's no reason for Israel to prevent them from reaching Gaza.

Evidence that none of these boats are carrying weapons?

 

[Doctor Evil]

Great. Well, since none of these boats are carrying weapons of any sort, there's no reason for Israel to prevent them from reaching Gaza.

The San Remo manual, which specifies the rules of a blockade, does not allow to discriminate between ships. It does not matter if the ships are from friendly nations or not, or if the cargo is said not to include weapons. Once the blockade is not enforced for some ships it ceases to be effective and becomes illegal.

 

[Giz]

Great. Well, since none of these boats are carrying weapons of any sort, there's no reason for Israel to prevent them from reaching Gaza.

Can you clarify whether:

A) You do not understand how blockades work

B) Do understand how blockades work, but disagree with this particular blockade being run effectively (which has negligible effect on humanitarian aid but could be material regarding weapon smuggling)

 

[Cleon]

Reality: None of the ships in the flotilla are carrying weapons.

Ergo, all this talk about blocking weapons is irrelevant.

 

[Cleon]

American terrorist arrested in Greece

Gun runner to terrorists

Anyone care to explain why it's acceptable to tell blatant lies as long as it's in support of Israel?

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

The aid is going through -- Ergo talk of a blockade is pure deception.

And people who support the "flotilla" are promoters of mass murder.

 

[Cleon]

A blockade is a blockade.

The aid is going through -- Ergo talk of a blockade is pure deception.

Y'all need to get your story straight. Is there or isn't there a blockade?

And people who support the "flotilla" are promoters of mass murder.

Bull.

None of this excuses the fact that your claims that the captain is a terrorist and a gun-runner are lies. Is it like lying for Jesus, where you get Forgiven because you're doing it for a good cause?

 

[Giz]

Reality: None of the ships in the flotilla are carrying weapons.

Ergo, all this talk about blocking weapons is irrelevant.

A) Humanitarian aid is getting through.

B) Can you prove that none of the ships are carrying weapons?

C) If the blockade is removed then Hamas will be able to import many more weapons in the future.

 

[Giz]

And people who support the "flotilla" are promoters of mass murder.

Yes.

Similar to Orwell's description of pacifists in 1940 as being objectively pro-facist.

Some people just don't want to face where their sympathies are leading them. Road to hell / good intentions* etc.


* = being charitable about it being misguided 'good intentions', which it probably is for most Western leftists.

 

[Cleon]

A) Humanitarian aid is getting through.

So the Israelis claim.

B) Can you prove that none of the ships are carrying weapons?

Seriously? Give it a rest. The ships are filled with journalists and peaceniks. There's no weapons. The more you keep asking me to prove a negative, the more sad your argument becomes.

C) If the blockade is removed then Hamas will be able to import many more weapons in the future.

If the blockade is removed, people will be able to import food, water, and fuel and begin rebuilding their economy. However, that's unacceptable to the Israelis; the blockade is not about weapons, it's about keeping the Gaza economy in shambles and unviable.

 

[Cleon]

Yes.

Similar to Orwell

Well, that much is certainly true.

 

[Giz]

So the Israelis claim.

Well, they do tend to be more reliable than Hamas!

Seriously? Give it a rest. The ships are filled with journalists and peaceniks. There's no weapons. The more you keep asking me to prove a negative, the more sad your argument becomes.

Really? Have the journalists searched the ship? Is this roughly the same make up as the first flotilla? (aka the baying mob of jihadists and a few useful idiots).

Why should Israel give the benefit of the doubt to Hamas and its supporters anyway?

If the blockade is removed, people will be able to import food, water, and fuel and begin rebuilding their economy. However, that's unacceptable to the Israelis; the blockade is not about weapons, it's about keeping the Gaza economy in shambles and unviable.

Wow, just wow. Will they also be able to import tinfoil hats?

 

[WildCat]

Do you think it's right that the people of Gaza are being punished for electing Hamas?

It's a funny thing about democracy, sometimes there are consequences for your decisions. And as it turns out, there's consequences for electing a genocidal rabidly anti-semitic terrorist group as your governemnt.

But at least the people of Gaza made their own choice, unlike the people of N. Korea.

 

[WildCat]

Great. Well, since none of these boats are carrying weapons of any sort, there's no reason for Israel to prevent them from reaching Gaza.

The goal is to get a port for Hamas. If Israel just lets any ship calling itself an aid shhip go to Gaza then there is no blockade, and Hamas is free to import heavy weapons. Just like they tell us.

 

[WildCat]

Reality: None of the ships in the flotilla are carrying weapons.

Ergo, all this talk about blocking weapons is irrelevant.

Well I'm not carrying a weapon on the airplane, or planning to hijack it, therefore I shouldn't have to go through security.

Does this example illustrate the absurdity of your position?

 

[WildCat]

Y'all need to get your story straight. Is there or isn't there a blockade?

There is a blockade, would you care to explain why you are confused about it? The blockade blocks weapons and war materiel from going to Hamas.

 

[WildCat]

Maybe you could re-write that in English instead of whatever the hell language you wrote it in. I know how sensitive you are to being misunderstood, so I wouldn't want to risk interpreting your gibberish incorrectly.