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Split Thread DEI in the US

Race and sex aren't the only reasons people are discriminated against.

I ask again - does a ramp for wheelchair users discriminate against able-bodied people? Nobody has answered that yet.
No. And wheelchair users come in all races and both sexes.
 
I read the Biden EO, and it didn't mandate those DEI requirements. If it had, you or the paper could quote that part.

It didn't, so you and they can't quote what you claim is in there.

QED
OK. So you can't read.

Even the manuscript on Arxiv by John Herbert that you linked to (that you obviously didn't read) admits that the funding agencies had instituted DEI plans for funding. John writes, "Given that the Trump administration has now ended PIER plans, Inclusion Plans, and DEI activities in general, certain aspects of this debate now seem outdated." Obviously, these requirements had to exist in order for them to have been subsequently eliminated.

Here is the order from the Department of Energy dated January 28, 2025, "immediately ending the requirement for Promoting Inclusive and Equitable Research (PIER) Plans in any proposal... All open solicitations have been or will be amended to remove the PIER Plan
requirement and associated review criterion... Selection decisions will not take into consideration the content of PIER Plans or any reviewer comments on PIER Plans."
 
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There's the law, and then there's how the law is interpreted, enacted, and regulated. In the end, the law is just people. Imperfect, prone to bias, and human.
Agreed. The more the laws the greater the tyranny.
 
And people are discriminated against for reasons other than race and sex.
Surely. And most of those reasons are just fine. This job requires a college degree in X; don't have that degree, don't apply. Then there's attractive privilege. I have to check myself often on that one.
 
Pretty privilege.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016517652200283X

Calling the Handicapper General. For equity, we all have to be equally ugly.
 
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Surely. And most of those reasons are just fine. This job requires a college degree in X; don't have that degree, don't apply. Then there's attractive privilege. I have to check myself often on that one.
There's a difference between you can't have this job because you don't have the required qualifications, and you can't have this job because your wheelchair can't get up the stairs even though you do have the required qualifications.

Kinda scary when folks are talking about their "desired mix" and wanting government policy to enforce that.
Let me restate this analogy so that a 13 year old can understand it, since apparently that's what we need to do now.

Say in your population you have 70% green and 30% purple. But an institution within your population is found to have 90% purple and only 10% green. This is manifestly unfair for all the greens, right? They are a majority of the population as a whole, so why are they so badly underrepresented in the institution? What should you do to redress this situation and make it fair and representative?
 
OK. So you can't read.
Apparently one of us can't. Recall, you and the paper claim that this supposed mandate is in two Executive Orders. And in support of this, you provide something from the Department of Energy, and not a quote from the Executive Order?
Even the manuscript on Arxiv by John Herbert that you linked to (that you obviously didn't read) admits that the funding agencies had instituted DEI plans for funding. John writes, "Given that the Trump administration has now ended PIER plans, Inclusion Plans, and DEI activities in general, certain aspects of this debate now seem outdated." Obviously, these requirements had to exist in order for them to have been subsequently eliminated.
Further evidence of reading comprehension problems? "DEI activities" are not DEI mandates.
Here is the order from the Department of Energy dated January 28, 2025, "immediately ending the requirement for Promoting Inclusive and Equitable Research (PIER) Plans in any proposal... All open solicitations have been or will be amended to remove the PIER Plan
requirement and associated review criterion... Selection decisions will not take into consideration the content of PIER Plans or any reviewer comments on PIER Plans."
Still waiting for the supposed mandate that you and the authors claim is in one of the EOs. As a reminder, you should be able to find this mandate in EO 13985 or EO 14091
 
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Apparently one of us can't. Recall, you and the paper claim that this supposed mandate is in two Executive Orders. And in support of this, you provide something from the Department of Energy, and not a quote from the Executive Order?

Further evidence of reading comprehension problems? "DEI activities" are not DEI mandates.

Still waiting for the supposed mandate that you and the authors claim is in one of the EOs. As a reminder, you should be able to find this mandate in EO 13985 or EO 14091
The EOs mandated DEI throughout the entire Executive Branch, which includes the funding agencies. But who cares? Who mandated them was not the point. Their existence was. Now that you can no longer credibly deny that, you’re trying to latch on to an ancillary issue.
 
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The EOs mandated DEI throughout the entire Executive Branch, which includes the funding agencies. But who cares? Who mandated them was not the point. Their existence was. Now that you can no longer credibly deny that, you’re trying to latch on to an ancillary issue.
I'm still waiting on evidence that the EOs actually did mandate what you and the authors claim, as you and they have so far been unable to actually substantiate that.
 
I'm still waiting on evidence that the EOs actually did mandate what you and the authors claim, as you and they have so far been unable to actually substantiate that.
I can’t help you with your reading problem, and the EOs were never the point. The mandatory DEI programs, which, contrary to your denials, have now been undeniably shown to exist, are the point. If you want to believe that the directors of every funding agency got the idea to mandate that DEI be incorporated into funding proposals right after those EOs were issued, but weren’t responding to those EOs, be my guest.
 
I heard the Cinnabon racist got a hundred thousand dollars on a go fund me type of fundraiser.

But racism no longer exists.
Then there was the playground Karen that abused little black children, calling them the N-word who proudly did the same.
 
I can’t help you with your reading problem, and the EOs were never the point. The mandatory DEI programs, which, contrary to your denials, have now been undeniably shown to exist, are the point. If you want to believe that the directors of every funding agency got the idea to mandate that DEI be incorporated into funding proposals right after those EOs were issued, but weren’t responding to those EOs, be my guest.
The paper you cited led with the claim that the EOs mandated DEI programs in grants. Yet neither you nor the authors can actually find that language in the EOs. Perhaps crowing about your peer reviewed study that gets the basics wrong right out of the gate isn't going as well for you as you'd like? Shall we look at some of the other errors and misrepresentations in the paper, or would you like to drop it?

Now, on to your claim that mandatory DEI programs have been shown to exist, let's see that proof, shall we? And remember, citing an Energy Dept doc that links to a Trump EO that claims to have removed a mandate is not actually proof that the mandate existed. Trump, as has been proven so often, has no clue what he is talking about and just says he did stuff.
 
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I guess it pays to be a bigoted POS in public in Trump's America.
Yes it does.

Meet Crystal: hardworking White mom doing her job at Cinnabon. Two Somali customers decide to make her shift hell with intimidation.

Instead of banning the offenders and backing their employee, Cinnabon fires Crystal to keep the nons happy.

We’re not letting this slide. Funds go to making sure Crystal lands on her feet after this betrayal.

No White person should lose their job for refusing to be harassed by Somalians.
 

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