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White House, Senate, Congress: It's a Tea Party!

Trebuchet said:
I look forward to living in a peaceful, prosperous, diverse nation under the leadership of Justin Trudeau.
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Don't kid yourself, we're going to get screwed by all this as well. We're sharing a bed with an elephant, and Trump just bought an elephant gun.


Spindrift said:
Now that the repeal and the ramifications therein are a real possibility, do any Republicans get cold feet at repeal without a replacement?
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The more rational ones might, but there are enough irrational ones there to carry the vote, and the rational ones won't want to get in the way of the irrational tsunami for fear of being swept away themselves.


dudalb said:
That is one of the things that Trump is going to have one hell of a fight with the Republcians in Congress over.
He also does not get that it's a two way street and other countries will hit us with Tariffs in retaliation.
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We can hope, but I fear that's a forlorn hope. Trump defied all the expectations of his opponents and those of quite a few of his fellow Republicans, and pulled off a major upset win. He'll quite rightly use that wave of support as a cudgel on anyone who dares oppose him politically. If he tells people to primary out someone he labels a RINO, his supporters will do that, and everyone in Congress knows that. The deal will be he'll sign any law they pass that doesn't directly contradict his desires, so long as they rubber stamp anything he sends their way.
 
Stacko said:
Tariffs, lots of tariffs. Trade has been the only policy position he hasn't taken all positions on. Stock up on imported goods before they become scarce.
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Don't worry it will only be things that people can live without. TVs, cellphones, tractors, computers, furniture, clothes, medical equipment, shoes.
 
Spindrift said:
I wonder how many Republicans went along with the repeated repeal attempts knowing it would never get out of the Senate or if it did Obama would veto it.

Now that the repeal and the ramifications therein are a real possibility, do any Republicans get cold feet at repeal without a replacement?
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They can't though, they campaigned for it far to long, once they can do it they have to.
 
Horatius said:
Don't kid yourself, we're going to get screwed by all this as well. We're sharing a bed with an elephant, and Trump just bought an elephant gun.





The more rational ones might, but there are enough irrational ones there to carry the vote, and the rational ones won't want to get in the way of the irrational tsunami for fear of being swept away themselves.





We can hope, but I fear that's a forlorn hope. Trump defied all the expectations of his opponents and those of quite a few of his fellow Republicans, and pulled off a major upset win. He'll quite rightly use that wave of support as a cudgel on anyone who dares oppose him politically. If he tells people to primary out someone he labels a RINO, his supporters will do that, and everyone in Congress knows that. The deal will be he'll sign any law they pass that doesn't directly contradict his desires, so long as they rubber stamp anything he sends their way.
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You forget one thing:GOP voters don't like paying really higher prices for things then anybody else. They will scream about the tarrifs when they find out how much it is costing them.
 
ponderingturtle said:
They can't though, they campaigned for it far to long, once they can do it they have to.
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Except that in some hypocritical states where they want it repealed but there's the nagging detail that a lot of their constituents are using it. Like Kentucky.
 
dudalb said:
You forget one thing:GOP voters don't like paying really higher prices for things then anybody else. They will scream about the tarrifs when they find out how much it is costing them.
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Yeah, but these are the same guys who believed everything Trump et al. told them during the election. So Trump will just lie to them about why their prices have gone up*, and they'll swallow it hook line and sinker.


*"Those stinking Chinese traitors refused to pay us a fair price for our stuff! They put up all kinds of unfair trade barriers! And they only applied them to the US, they're giving the Europeans a free ride at our expense!"
 
Horatius said:
Yeah, but these are the same guys who believed everything Trump et al. told them during the election. So Trump will just lie to them about why their prices have gone up*, and they'll swallow it hook line and sinker.


*"Those stinking Chinese traitors refused to pay us a fair price for our stuff! They put up all kinds of unfair trade barriers! And they only applied them to the US, they're giving the Europeans a free ride at our expense!"
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I'm more inclined to think that Trump's supporters will come up with reasons themselves, such as:

"Well, that's because of the economic hell that Obama left. It has a long wake."

Trump tends to let people do the work for him. I see no reason why that wouldn't be the case here.
 
Spindrift said:
I wonder how many Republicans went along with the repeated repeal attempts knowing it would never get out of the Senate or if it did Obama would veto it.

Now that the repeal and the ramifications therein are a real possibility, do any Republicans get cold feet at repeal without a replacement?
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I'd say none. Pragmatism will not get in the way of such an important piece of political dogma.

All traces of the Obama premiership much be removed - no matter whether they delivered a net good.

Most of those who benefit from ACA and the expansion of Medicaid are either not GOP voters or will be persuadable that the loss of their coverage when ACA is repealed is the fault of the ACA :boggled:
 
dudalb said:
You forget one thing:GOP voters don't like paying really higher prices for things then anybody else. They will scream about the tarrifs when they find out how much it is costing them.
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Then the GOP will blame foreigners for not dropping their prices to compensate for the tariffs, retailers for not swallowing the price increases (especially if that retailer is foreign-owned), immigrants and migrants for driving up prices (which makes absolutely no sense - but why let facts get in the way of a good story) - indeed anything other than the tariffs themselves.

Foreigners will also be blamed for any reciprocal tariffs which reduce US exports.
 
Spindrift said:
Except that in some hypocritical states where they want it repealed but there's the nagging detail that a lot of their constituents are using it. Like Kentucky.
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And that will bite them in the butt. But they reverse that right out of the gate they are going to be called on it. I guess they could let the democrats filibuster it but that is about it.
 
I predict all these dire predictions will be just as accurate as the predictions of a HRC victory.
 
My first take is that the Republicans now own every problem related to the federal government. I am going to try to breath and wait see what they start doing before criticizing. I am very pessimistic but for my own piece of mind I will wait.
 
seayakin said:
My first take is that the Republicans now own every problem related to the federal government. I am going to try to breath and wait see what they start doing before criticizing. I am very pessimistic but for my own piece of mind I will wait.
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The problems is that we've had this situation before: Republicans in total control, creating massive debts and conflict, and when losing their mandate bitching about how the other party hasn't properly cleaned up their mess yet.

my hope is that with the populist far-right watching, same-old, same-old will simply not be accepted as good enough.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The problems is that we've had this situation before: Republicans in total control, creating massive debts and conflict, and when losing their mandate bitching about how the other party hasn't properly cleaned up their mess yet.

my hope is that with the populist far-right watching, same-old, same-old will simply not be accepted as good enough.
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I generally agree. For my own mental health, I don't want my fears of the future drive my thinking. More than ever, it is time to calmly approach these changes with critical thinking. I don't believe Trump or the Republicans will get a free pass. Those white working class voters that supported Trump will be looking for a perceptible improvement. I don't think he can just blame foreigners or some other group if they have no perceivable improvement.
 
seayakin said:
I generally agree. For my own mental health, I don't want my fears of the future drive my thinking. More than ever, it is time to calmly approach these changes with critical thinking. I don't believe Trump or the Republicans will get a free pass. Those white working class voters that supported Trump will be looking for a perceptible improvement. I don't think he can just blame foreigners or some other group if they have no perceivable improvement.
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It has worked so far why do you think it will stop? Facts have stopped mattering the truth is what ever trump declares it to be at this time.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The problems is that we've had this situation before: Republicans in total control, creating massive debts and conflict, and when losing their mandate bitching about how the other party hasn't properly cleaned up their mess yet.
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They all run on repeating how bad government itself is, in principle, and should do as little as possible. By being incompetent at it aren't they really doing exactly as they promised?

I wish I got paid that much to be deliberately bad at my job!
 
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