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What would "god" need to do in order to prove that she really existed?

Ziggurat said:
I said your question was uninteresting. I didn't call it stupid, and I didn't call you personally anything at all. You have no reason to take any personal offense to that. If you don't agree with why I find your question uninteresting, that's fine. Better yet, you could even explain why you still think it interesting. As for why I bothered to reply, well, I did so because I think there are more interesting questions surrounding the possibility of god, and how one might come to believe or not believe in its existence, and you might even enjoy pondering some of those other questions.
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I agree, and being a parochial school student, I've pondered them for years.

My biggest question is why is god a male, and that led to me wondering about the "men" who transcribed the bibles through possible telepathy, and that led to wondering about all the incest in genesis and so many other things.

I was hoping this thread would offer folks a chance to come up with some wild things that god would have to do in order to prove she existed, and some folks did go there, but mostly it turned into a philosophical discussion on the existence of god, and so many other questions, including which god is the one who has to come down and straighten things out, but I'm fine with all of that.


ETA: This may NOT prove it for you, but one of the ways for me would be if she came down and made trump (on inauguration day) get up on the stage and decline the presidency and give it to Harris, because he thought it would be the right thing to do.

Darat's right that this is more of a wish fulfillment thing than a proof thing, but what would you do if you were god for a day, like Jim Carrey was in Bruce Almighty?



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Ziggurat said:
We should expect that if God exists, he doesn't have a mind like ours.
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Why?

The literature that purports to be the word of God suggests otherwise. The Judeo-Christian God is a petty, vindictive, jealous arse most of the time. Outside of that tradition you have the Greek pantheon, and their Temu knockoff, the Roman pantheon: basically Made In Chelsea crossed with a Telenovella, the Norse Gods? Another soap opera, and the various Asian Gods and or God adjacent but not God magic people and/or animals that can't decide which religion they're in because all the religions want to claim the popular charaters.

The overwhelming majority of religions have presented their God or Gods as very human, for as long as they (the religions) have existed.

The idea of God or Gods as mysterious and not driven by very human desires is a mostly relatively recent phenomenon
Ziggurat said:
It's rather childish to think he would.
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I'm inclined to agree, because I think that belief in a God or Gods is inherently rather childish.
 
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junkshop said:
To return to the original question, I'm with Darat. All God needs to do is make me believe.

If they are omnipotent then this will not be a problem for them.
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I agree, and it's legitimate answer to my question, but Darat also said she would have to make everyone believe. That makes sense, but what would be the point of free will then?


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junkshop said:
Why?
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For many reasons. Starting with the fact that our minds are a product of the material world, whereas we should expect the mind that created the material world to transcend it. Our minds aren't capable of even reproducing themselves, let alone the universe around us. The difference between our minds and god's should be bigger than the difference between a cockroach's mind and ours. After all, cockroache minds at least share the same building blocks as our minds, but why would Gog's mind be made of neurons?

The literature that purports to be the word of God suggests otherwise.
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It explicitly doesn't.

Outside of that tradition you have the Greek pantheon
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Sure, the Greek pantheon gods (and many other pagan pantheons) are very human in nature. And that's also no small part of why nobody believes in them anymore.

I'm inclined to agree, because I think that beleif in a God or Gods is inherently rather childish.
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Belief in human-like gods is childish, I'll grant you that. But ironically, it's rather childish to think that all religious belief is childish. Far smarter men than you and I have had deep religious faith. That doesn't make their belief correct, and far smarter men than you and I have also been athiests. But your casual dismissal of religion doesn't actually have the intellectual rigor you seem to presume.
 
theprestige said:
What did you learn?
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Well, I learned from the very first post that Cosmic Yak thought that the Muslim religion didn't believe in the Golden Rule.


theprestige said:
So why this thread? Why not learn from the threads that have gone before?
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Because none of them addressed the question of why god was a male, and I was also hoping to see what crazy scenarios folks could come up with that she would have to do in order to prove she existed, but it turned into more of a philosophical discussion than anything else, but I'm fine with that.


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Ziggurat said:
I said your question was uninteresting. I didn't call it stupid, and I didn't call you personally anything at all. You have no reason to take any personal offense to that. If you don't agree with why I find your question uninteresting, that's fine. Better yet, you could even explain why you still think it interesting. As for why I bothered to reply, well, I did so because I think there are more interesting questions surrounding the possibility of god, and how one might come to believe or not believe in its existence, and you might even enjoy pondering some of those other...
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I guess a series of experiments is required that will test God's omniscience, omnipresence and benevolence - in other words: make God do multiple Trolley Problems simultaneously all over the world!
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I guess a series of experiments is required that will test God's omniscience, omnipresence and benevolence - in other words: make God do multiple Trolley Problems simultaneously all over the world!
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Like what I suggested (or are you thinking of something else):

Myself, one of the things that would convince me was for her (wearing a body cam) to go right into Gaza (or wherever Hamas has them) and get the hostages with bullets bouncing off her and everything. (Of course, bouncing off the hostages too).

But like Darat posted, that would be more of a wish fulfillment thing than a proof thing, but I would still like to see it.


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The Great Zaganza said:
wouldn't convince me at all.
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What convinces me doesn't have to convince you, because that wasn't my question, but thanks for your input anyway:


OK, NOW MY QUESTION IS: Let's say she came down to earth to set things straight, now what exactly would she need to do to prove (to you personally) that she was the one and only?
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my point is that whatever convinced me would require to be convincing to others, too, for me to STAY convinced.

most of conversion is based on finding people at their most vulnerable.
 
arthwollipot said:
An omnipotent god could do different things for different people. It wouldn't have to be one thing to convince all of them.
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that would make me lose my conviction straight away if I learned that someone got convinced by fallacious arguments.
That would make me believe that it's not God, but a person with brain-influencing technology at work.
 
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