What to do with prostitutes

Gnu Ordure said:
I am merely suggesting that 'paid-for-sex' cannot be a substitute for 'sex-in-a-loving-relationship sex', for the reasons I've given.

Gnu.
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thats great, for you. Many people have sex practices that I could never really understand the appeal of, and I dont really care either. Believe it or not some people enjoy sex outside of a loving relationship, and its not anyone elses business if thats what they want to do.
 
Z said:
GiM, you're STILL conflating incest with prostitution! Why is that? Why are you so insistent on mixing incest with prostitution? Just because you choose to sell your body does NOT mean it's OK for your father or mother or brothers to use your services!

GIA wrote
If you read some of my replies you will see that prostitution is the escape rout of some who suffer abuse at home. Allowing this escape route does nothing to bring justice to the perpetrator of the abuse. Without prostitution as an option as stated before we would have a better chance of cleaning up our act in the home.

I'm very close to considering your posts the result of a somewhat complex bot and putting you on 'ignore', considering you continually make the same exact mistakes, time and time again.

And lust is satisfied through sex, not love. Love and sex are two entirely different concepts, and should not be conflated. It's entirely possible to love someone and not desire sex with them; in fact, it's quite common as a couple grows older to find themselves with reduced sexual appetite (regarding each other) and enhanced love.

Meanwhile, it's entirely possible to enjoy great, wonderful, mind-blowing sex without love. If casual sex is OK - and I've yet to hear you claim that casual sex is a sin - then paid-for sex should also be considered OK. Paid-for sex is just casual sex with a financial transaction applied.

GIA wrote
I have noted that anything is probably just if no victim is produced.
If I need to speak to every possibility I will but this is a good general statement that can be applied here.

As to the quality of the sex, if you cannot see the difference between casual sex, paid sex or sex with love then I fell sorry for you.


In fact, sex is often better when it's with someone you're only passingly familiar with - or even with a near-total stranger - because you don't get the emotional hang-ups and issues that you do with a loved one.

GIA wrote
The emotional part is what makes us different from dogs.


If you just once posted a criticism of prostitution that did NOT inherently imply that prostitution was a sin, you might get farther; but it's transparent that all you're doing is offering post-hoc rationalization for your own belief that prostitution is evil. The fact is, you feel that prostitution is wrong (maybe even have some misguided religious notion about it) and are now desperately backpeddling to come up with reasons why it might actually be evil... yet you're failing utterly.

The fact of the matter is there is nothing inherently wrong with prostitution. There is something inherently wrong with incest, abuse, exploitation, etc.

You claim that removing prostitution would force people to seek more legitimate means of escaping bad situations, but that claim is provably false. You'd rather attack an outlet than the source of the problem? Vile.

The world would be a far better place if we attacked the abuse, the neglect, the incest and rape, the exploitation. If we stopped wasting our time harrassing prostitutes and used that time and resources getting to the roots of the actual problem, we could make the world a far nicer place. And legalizing (and subsequently regulating and taxing) prostitution would be a tremendous boon for our civilization - if only anal-retentive moral snobs such as yourself could see past your book of long-dead liars and see the world as it truly is.

I've never once used a prostitute in my life (I'm quite happy with pornography and masturbation, thanks), but I'm all for legalizing it.

BTW - assuming for a second you're not a bot or a mindless 12-year-old troll - what are your views on mastubation? I am truly, honestly curious.

The Rev.
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Hogwash.
If this is what you get after reading what I have writen as well as others here, then I would suggest that you find some literature on the subject.

Regards
DL
 
toddjh said:
First of all, I think your concept of sex is very narrow if you believe that orgasm is the be-all and end-all of sweating up the sheets. The very best sex I've had did not involve an orgasm on my end.

And second, I think you're assuming too much. One of the prostitutes I've spoken to says she rarely climaxes on the job, but the other claims to have around six orgasms per day. It's probably true that the average streetwalker isn't in the throes of ecstasy with every john, but that's not the only kind of prostitute.

And third, who the hell are you to tell other people what sex is "supposed" to be? I thought you were concerned with ending abuse and exploitation, but now apparently you're the Orgasm Police.
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OK
Orgasm and mutual pleasure is not the purpose of sex.
What is and can a hooker give it?
As to my opinion, from what I have seen here so far, mine is superior.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
OK
Orgasm and mutual pleasure is not the purpose of sex.
What is and can a hooker give it?
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It's whatever the people involved want it to be. And judging by the number of hookers in the world, I'd say yes, they can definitely give a lot of men what they want.
 
I wish I had the words to express that Men do not stand tall while reaching low for a Woman.

It is unfortunate that not many hookers or male prostitutes have computers.


Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
I wish I had the words to express that Men do not stand tall while reaching low for a Woman.
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I wish you had the words to provide some kind of rational basis for your contempt for a large segment of humanity, not to mention human nature itself.

It is unfortunate that not many hookers or male prostitutes have computers.
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Dude, how do you think they make appointments these days? They have e-mail and cell phones. A lot of them even have websites.
 
toddjh said:
I wish you had the words to provide some kind of rational basis for your contempt for a large segment of humanity, not to mention human nature itself.



Dude, how do you think they make appointments these days? They have e-mail and cell phones. A lot of them even have websites.
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What contempt for what humanity.

I express disappointment only for what is trying to pass as Men.

If there is an end of days they will surely have to change the definition.

Men, it would be nice to hear from one or two.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
Hogwash.
If this is what you get after reading what I have writen as well as others here, then I would suggest that you find some literature on the subject.

Regards
DL
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Is that the best you can do? No reasoned response? No witty reply? Just 'hogwash'?

Didn't even answer my question.

Or were there just too many words to read, my friend? I can condense it, if that might make it easier for you.
 
Greatest I am said:
What contempt for what humanity.

I express disappointment only for what is trying to pass as Men.

If there is an end of days they will surely have to change the definition.

Men, it would be nice to hear from one or two.

Regards
DL
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So what you're saying is that paying for sex is beneath men? Is it beneath women as well?

How about one-night stands? Is that also beneath men?

You position (at this point) appears to be that the only sexual relationship worthy of men is one involving a loving, committed relationship. Aside from the exceptionally old-fashioned nature of this thinking, do you have any actual evidence that this is true?

Allow me to ask you a few personal questions:

1) How old are you? Rough estimate will do.
2) Are you presently in a loving, committed relationship?
3) Have you ever had sex outside of a loving, committed relationship?
4) Is your opinion largely based on your religious beliefs?

More questions may follow, but depend upon the answer to those four questions.

Failing to respond to these questions will strongly limit any reasonable discussion that may ensue. And that's all I'm after - a reasonable discussion. Each of those questions above is quite pertinent to understanding why you hold onto this antiquated notion of 'love' and 'sex.

Regards,

The Rev.
 
Greatest I am said:
Hogwash.
If this is what you get after reading what I have writen as well as others here, then I would suggest that you find some literature on the subject.

Regards
DL
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I asked you way back in this thread to recommend some books that we should read. You have yet to do so. I suspect that the only books you would recommend come in a set of 66 (or 65, depending on your denomination). Care to prove me wrong?
 
Greatest I am said:
Sex is supposed to be a shared experience with pleasure for both participants. Orgasm in other words.
When was the last time a hooker had one with a John.
A real one I mean. Or is this concept foreign to a John.


OK
Orgasm and mutual pleasure is not the purpose of sex.
What is and can a hooker give it?
As to my opinion, from what I have seen here so far, mine is superior.

Regards
DL
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Wow. Alright, please inform my ex-fiance that he is an evil person who treated me like a hooker because he was never able to get me off. Loving, commited relationship, and not one orgasm. But that's not why I left him, but it certainly added to the list. Sex doesn't equal love, love doesn't equal sex. Well, not good sex anyway.

As to the second point, if a man wants to go to a hooker, with them both understanding that she is not vested in a personal orgasm, the point is his pleasure. She provides the human element to the sexual encounter, he provides the incentive. In this case the incentive is cash. In many modern sexual encounters there is still an incentive, it's simply a different one. Perhaps it's the hope of a relationship, of marriage, of long lasting love. In others it's pure shared physical enjoyment. There is always a give and take, always a price to be paid, in sex.
Perhaps the cost is falling in love... perhaps it's being left... perhaps it's wanting the sex again but not having the opportunity. But in a consenting, adult, paiding-for-sex relationship the cost is obvious. We can argue about what price she pays for her cash, but the point in all of this is that it is still her choice to pay that price. As it was mine in having sex with a man when I knew the price to be paid was my heart. I fell and it was a one way street... My heart, my price. Is non-marital sex evil? I sure paid a price, I felt dirty, I felt used... Because I made bad choices about who I slept with. Again, my body, my choice, my price. It's no one elses business, and that includes if the transaction had included money. That it didn't simple proves that any sexual encounter can be positive or negative.
Besides which it all lead me to understanding what fidelity means, what good sex really is, and what I wanted from a partner. You generalize about love and sex, you wan poetic about love and sex, you glamorize love and sex...
But you still have no proof that one ounce of any argument that you have attempted to make proves in anyway that any of the evils you see in prostitution are anything less then part of the human condition. As many others have said, if you want to talk about slavery, child sex trade, human trafficking, then lets talk about that. Sex between adults is convoluted in the best of circumstances, and attempting to moralize another to your standards is insane.
 
Yeah, good call, myl. That's a great point. You can love another person till the flippin' cows come home, but that sure as hell doesn't translate into an orgasm by default. Sexual compatibility is a tricky thing, regardless of whether you even like the other person or not.

But a young virginal jesus-freak might have a hard time grasping that.
 
Greatest I am said:
As to my opinion, from what I have seen here so far, mine is superior.
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Ah, the youthful arrogance.

You say so without any evidence to support your position, while reality and history laugh in your face.

Maybe one day you'll grow up and actually understand a thing or two about the world. Or skepticism, for that matter.
 
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