What did Democrats do wrong?

[Random]

Oh Tnoes! The absolute horror of someone being a christian! It's a sure sign of the end when a christian-majority country has actual christians in political positions! Whatever shall we do????

There is a difference between "volunteer at the local soup kitchen" Christians and "PURGE THE HERETICS WITH FIRE" Christians. It is perfectly reasonable to treat different types of Christians differently.

 

[dirtywick]

not too many of either of those groups of christians is too good at picking out the lying grifter con man pretending to be christian.

 

[Emily's Cat]

There is a difference between "volunteer at the local soup kitchen" Christians and "PURGE THE HERETICS WITH FIRE" Christians. It is perfectly reasonable to treat different types of Christians differently.

Did they also make the "OK" symbol with their hand? We all know that's a white supremacist symbol too, so anyone who does that is obviously a nazi, right?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Where are the progressives dedicated to living wages telling the farmers they need to pay something more than barely subsistence levels to their employees?

Do you spray your herrings with Alar to make them even redder?

Also... my grocery store hasn't seemed to lack for seasonal produce, eggs, milk, or meat. So apparently the farms are getting by just fine.

Food hasn't vanished from grocery store shelves, so domestic farmers must be doing fine. Brilliant argument. Must we wait for actual famine before considering that there might be a problem?

 

[dirtywick]

what’s the opposite of the woke mind virus

 

[Reformed Offlian]

what’s the opposite of the woke mind virus

Too easy: the RFK brain worm.

 

[Susheel]

Where are the progressives dedicated to living wages telling the farmers they need to pay something more than barely subsistence levels to their employees?

Also... my grocery store hasn't seemed to lack for seasonal produce, eggs, milk, or meat. So apparently the farms are getting by just fine.

Well, it isn't the progressives who fight tooth and nail to keep farm wages that low. Ask the farm owners who insist on employing immigrants so they can get away with paying low wages?

 

[ZiprHead]

Well, it isn't the progressives who fight tooth and nail to keep farm wages that low. Ask the farm owners who insist on employing immigrants so they can get away with paying low wages?

And overwhelmingly vote Republican.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Do you spray your herrings with Alar to make them even redder?

Food hasn't vanished from grocery store shelves, so domestic farmers must be doing fine. Brilliant argument. Must we wait for actual famine before considering that there might be a problem?

Oh tnoes! The US can't have borderline slave labor that we exploit because they're here illegally! It's totally going to be a famine, just you wait and see!!!11111

 

[Emily's Cat]

Well, it isn't the progressives who fight tooth and nail to keep farm wages that low. Ask the farm owners who insist on employing immigrants so they can get away with paying low wages?

Seems like addressing the farmers who want to illegally import borderline slave labor instead of paying reasonable wages should be your target. To me, it seems like arguing that we have to continue letting in illegal immigrants or else we'll have a famine is a pretty heartless and exploitative approach.

 

[Olmstead]

Where are the progressives dedicated to living wages telling the farmers they need to pay something more than barely subsistence levels to their employees?

Abhorred as socialists who want to raise taxes in order to subsidize farm wages, and thus never getting elected?

That would be my guess, anyway.

 

[Trausti]

Abhorred as socialists who want to raise taxes in order to subsidize farm wages, and thus never getting elected?

That would be my guess, anyway.

If you could achieve higher wages for farm workers by enforcing immigration laws, why wouldn't you?

 

[Olmstead]

If you could achieve higher wages for farm workers by enforcing immigration laws, why wouldn't you?

If it's that easy, why wouldn't you just enforce higher wages?

 

[Trausti]

If it's that easy, why wouldn't you just enforce higher wages?

Usually bad when the government gets involved in the market.

 

[Olmstead]

Usually bad when the government gets involved in the market.

Well, if that's the case, the government needs to stop providing all that pesky social security. At that point, unemployed Americans will likely be lining up to take the jobs at whatever wage the market says they deserve.

I just don't see that as a victory.

 

[Trausti]

Well, if that's the case, the government needs to stop providing all that pesky social security. At that point, unemployed Americans will likely be lining up to take the jobs at whatever wage the market says they deserve.

I just don't see that as a victory.

The government interrupted the market and got involved in health insurance. How's that going?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Oh tnoes! The US can't have borderline slave labor that we exploit because they're here illegally! It's totally going to be a famine, just you wait and see!!!11111

Does this qualify as responsive on your wettest desert planet? It doesn't on mine.

I ask again: Must we have actual famine in order to notice a problem?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

You know you're repeating a false narrative, don't you?

Most farm work isn't done by illegal immigrants. It's done by us citizens and foreign-born people here on legal H-2A temporary agricultural work visas. Of course, some farm work is certainly done by illegal immigrants. Some of the highest proportions of illegal farm workers are in California and Washington... where they are also paid at exploitive rates.

About 40% of crop workers are illegal immigrants, according to USDA. That's technically not "most", but it's still a big chunk.

The administration is looking to curtail work visas, as well. I don't think the effects of that have hit home yet, but they will.

 

[Susheel]

A vast portion of the American economy is founded on exploitative labor and below sustenance wages. Restaurount workers have to depend on he gratuity of strangers (tips) to survive, big-boxes like Walmart make it almost necessary for its floor workers depend on benefits like SNAP to get by. Most employers probably long for the return of a slave economy and are just doing the best they can in the meanwhile.

I don't understand why people never blamed major industries for "taking away their jobs" when those Industries, with the support of the American government, decided to offshore production to firm up their bottom lines and boost their stock values.

 

[TragicMonkey]

A vast portion of the American economy is founded on exploitative labor and below sustenance wages. Restaurount workers have to depend on he gratuity of strangers (tips) to survive, big-boxes like Walmart make it almost necessary for its floor workers depend on benefits like SNAP to get by. Most employers probably long for the return of a slave economy and are just doing the best they can in the meanwhile.

I don't understand why people never blamed major industries for "taking away their jobs" when those Industries, with the support of the American government, decided to offshore production to firm up their bottom lines and boost their stock values.

It's going to be a lot of fun when companies lay off everybody they (think they) can replace with "AI".