What are the odds...

[Ersby]

Geggy? Truthseeker?

Well lets look at it another way.

What are the odds of teams of demolition experts planting explosives inside not one, not two but three buildings before 911 and not being noticed?
Then add the odds of a plane flying at high speed into a tower and missing pre planted explosives.
Then add the odds of a second plane doing it.
Then add the odds of both sets of pre planted explosives still being in working order, all primers and detonators left unaffected.
Then add the odds of them surviving the fires.
Then add the odds of them both working perfectly.
Then add the odds of WTC7 still standing after a 500,000 tons structure collapsed beside it.
Then add the odds of the pre planted explosives inside WTC 7 not being damaged.
Then add the odds of them surviving fires for some six hours
Then add the odds of the firemen not noticing them
Then add the odds of them working perfectly.
Then add the odds of somebody researching all the passengers onboard flight 93 ensuring perfect fake calls were made to their relatives
Then add the odds of somebody shooting down Flight 93 and everybody involved denying it
Then add the odds of nobody noticing a missile being fired at the Pentagon in broad day light, as Flight 77 flew over it.
Then add the odds of this missile hitting a number of lamp posts on the way.
Then add the odds of every witness saying they saw a large fixed wing aircraft and not a missile.
Then add the odds of fooling all the aircraft investigators
Then add the odds of all the forensic scientists being fooling
Then add the odds of over 200 independent experts employed by NIST to investigate the Towers being fooled or bribed
Then add the odds of the 911 commission being totally corrupt and covering it all up.

I know I have missed a lot but could somebody actually come up with odds of this conspiracy working or does it simply go off the scale?

Finally what are the odds of somebody aurthorising this?

 

[Hellbound]

Geggy? Truthseeker?

Oh, sure. USe facts and logic.

Facts and logic can prove anything that's even remotely true.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

if it was an inside job why would FEMA have chosen that day to run a drill. How does that imply foreknowledge. if anything I would think the argument is stronger that they would have chosen a different day to not draw suspicion . Explain how you think having that drill implies they knew. What was to be gained by it?

Hundreds of FEMA and OEM agents had arrived in lower Manhattan on Monday night, 9/10/01, supposedly to take place in a bio-terror drill at the pier right next to WTC. On Tuesday morning, 9/11/01, they were quickly deployed into action at ground zero, keeping civilians away from the area, confiscating cameras, etc.

If I were planning an inside job like this, I too would have security forces in place ready to commandeer the situation. They had to prevent the collection of evidence as much as possible while the scene was scrubbed. That is "what was to be gained by it".

 

[geggy]

Before I go on, the earliest indication that al-qaeda terrorists were plotting to use planes as weapons and crash it into buildings was in 1995...

Project Bonjinka

Much of the info was classified by the us govt

 

[geggy]

Btw thanks T.S. for posting the article. Am only done reading half of it. Interesting so far

 

[DavidJames]

If I were planning an inside job like this, I too would have security forces in place ready to commandeer the situation. They had to prevent the collection of evidence as much as possible while the scene was scrubbed. That is "what was to be gained by it".

and your evidence that anything like this actually happened is...

 

[Piggy]

Now that their "what are the odds" strategy has been totally trashed, I see the CT'ers are dredging up their usual strategy of changing the subject.

Herring! Get your herring! Nice and red like you like 'em!

 

[T.A.M.]

You know if the only reference you have is Wikipedia, than you might as well send me to "reading rainbow". Jeez...

TAM

 

[Gravy]

Hundreds of FEMA and OEM agents had arrived in lower Manhattan on Monday night, 9/10/01

Prove it.

 

[Shrinker]

Hundreds of FEMA and OEM agents had arrived in lower Manhattan on Monday night, 9/10/01, supposedly to take place in a bio-terror drill at the pier right next to WTC. On Tuesday morning, 9/11/01, they were quickly deployed into action at ground zero, keeping civilians away from the area, confiscating cameras, etc.

If I were planning an inside job like this, I too would have security forces in place ready to commandeer the situation. They had to prevent the collection of evidence as much as possible while the scene was scrubbed. That is "what was to be gained by it".

Wouldn't it have been easier just to have someone shout 'asbestos!'. No, for some reason 'they' didn't want to use the perfect excuse to clear the area, they preferred to dupe a busload of extras into the scene, and hope they'd do as expected. Or were all those agents in on it too?

 

[twinstead]

Hmm. hundreds of FEMA and OEM agents had arrived in lower Manhattan on Monday night, 9/10/01, huh?

I'd be curious to see the evidence on that one myself.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

What are the odds of teams of demolition experts planting explosives inside not one, not two but three buildings before 911 and not being noticed?

50,000 people in and out of each twin tower per day. 100 extra security or maintenence workers could blend in easily. Most of the work was done in elevator shafts. Many people did notice odd things like evacuations, and power downs, and loud construction noises coming from empty offices, of which there were many.

So they were "noticed".

Then add the odds of a plane flying at high speed into a tower and missing pre planted explosives.

False premise. It looks like explosives did go off.

Then add the odds of a second plane doing it.

Ditto.

Then add the odds of both sets of pre planted explosives still being in working order, all primers and detonators left unaffected.

Those buildings were disintegrated, as it turned out. A few duds wouldn't have made any difference.

Then add the odds of them surviving the fires.

Explosives can be firepoofed.

Then add the odds of them both working perfectly.

They don't have to work "perfectly", the demolitions were not "perfect".

Then add the odds of WTC7 still standing after a 500,000 tons structure collapsed beside it.

WTC7 was not beside twin towers, it was over 300 feet away, across the street, with a building in between. The closer buildings suffered much worse damage, were smaller to begine with, yet stood.

Then add the odds of the pre planted explosives inside WTC 7 not being damaged.

Given the circumstances, I'd day those odds were about 9,999,999/1,000,000

Then add the odds of them surviving fires for some six hours

Fireproofing

Then add the odds of the firemen not noticing them

Firefighters? in WTC7??

Then add the odds of them working perfectly.

see above.

Then add the odds of somebody researching all the passengers onboard flight 93 ensuring perfect fake calls were made to their relatives

False premise. I certainly don't endorse fake phone call theories.

Then add the odds of somebody shooting down Flight 93 and everybody involved denying it

Military guys are sworn to follow orders. I'd say 9,999/10,000

Then add the odds of nobody noticing a missile being fired at the Pentagon in broad day light, as Flight 77 flew over it.

False premise, people did notice. We don't know what happened at the Pentagon. Some people "noticed" a missile. Others noticed a global hawk. Others "noticed" a 757. Others didn't notice anything. Discrediting eyewitness testimony is part of the op.

Then add the odds of this missile hitting a number of lamp posts on the way.

False premise. We don't know what happened. Lamp posts can be knocked over by a guy with a wrench.

Then add the odds of every witness saying they saw a large fixed wing aircraft and not a missile.

Every witness? False premise.

Then add the odds of fooling all the aircraft investigators

NTSB is required to investigate all air crashes. Where are the reports in this case? Excellent point. THe odds of fooling all the NTSB guys are slim, hence no investigations.

Then add the odds of all the forensic scientists being fooling

False premise. Who says they were "fooled"? Look at the fire temp data from NIST. They don't show any hot steel from the fires. THe super hot fire temps come from the computer model. The truth movement doesn't suggest they were "fooled", we suggest they are lying.

Then add the odds of over 200 independent experts employed by NIST to investigate the Towers being fooled or bribed

Fooled - 1/100,000,000,000,000,000

Bribed - 1

Then add the odds of the 911 commission being totally corrupt and covering it all up.

1 - Consider Zelikow, a man whose stated area of expertise is the creation of myth.

I know I have missed a lot but could somebody actually come up with odds of this conspiracy working or does it simply go off the scale?

Consider other conspiracies, such as operation ajax, which were successful and kept secret for decades. Not off the scale.

Finally what are the odds of somebody aurthorising this?

Given the long, long history of blood thirsty, greedy tyrants who have lusted after global domination, sadly, the odds are

Absolute Certainty.

 

[T.A.M.]

yes evidence from a credible source, not PRISONPLANET, or INFOWARS, or AFP...etc.

TAM

 

[twinstead]

Good god truthydude you call THAT a rebuttal?

 

[T.A.M.]

TS:

All your rebuttal shows is the level of your paranoia EOS.

TAM

 

[Dog Town]

Many people did notice odd things like evacuations, and power downs, and loud construction noises coming from empty offices,

Prove that please, and not with the fictional Scott Forbes! Willie R. is your other one, I'm bett'en!

Thanx,
DT

 

[twinstead]

Those buildings were disintegrated, as it turned out. A few duds wouldn't have made any difference.

A FEW duds? LOL

 

[twinstead]

Fooled - 1/100,000,000,000,000,000

Bribed - 1

Of course they were bribed. They HAD to have been for your theory to work, therefore it is a fact, right?

Your theory has the ability to bob and weave like the best boxer. Since you don't feel you have to substantiate anything, you can alter history to fit your theory at will.

Can't fool somebody? Well that means they had to have been bribed.

 

[Stellafane]

...of osama bin laden and the 19 hijackers defeating the US's defense system, including the government insiders, military departments and intelligence and security agencies...?

To name a few...
NSA
FBI
DIA
CIA
NIC
DOD
NORAD
USAF
NEADS
FAA
INS
DEA
CT
DS

I'd say 100 million to 1.

Problem is, they didn't have to beat all these guys. They just had to beat my semi-senile Uncle Frankie and his cohorts working in what passed for airport "security" back in those days.

 

[Brainache]

So you are asserting that every structural engineer who studied the WTC collapse was bribed. How much? Not one of them refused. I would go on, but your premise is just too stupid.