WE ARE NOT TERRORISTS !!
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What goes around, comes around.
(from my scrapbook, I'll track down the url if anyone's gagging for it)
"......................On the 30th of December 1947, a Zionist terrorist planted a bomb in the Arab neighborhood where the Arab Oil Refinery workers used to live. As a result of this bomb, 6 Arabs were killed, and 41 others were injured. Next morning, the Arab workers rioted in the Oil Refinery and attacked the Jewish workers to avenge the death of their Arab brothers, which resulted in the killing of 41 Jewish workers. As a result of the Arab retaliation, the Haganah and IZL forces commit the New Years Eve Massacre in Balad al-Shaykh, which resulted in the killing of close to 60 innocent men, women, and children. It should be noted that the people of Balad al-Shaykh had nothing to do with Oil Refinery riots, and the Haganah made the choice of picking an easy target to avenge the death of the Jewish Oil Refinery workers.
* On the 29th of February 1948, the Zionist rolled downs a barrel of explosives from the Jewish neighborhood of Hadara Ha Carmel into al-'Abasyah Arab neighborhood, which resulted in the destruction of most of the neighborhood. The bomb ended up terrorizing the nearby Arab neighborhoods into fleeing soon after this incident.
* On the 22nd of March 1948, a Zionist terrorists disguised as British officers planted a car bomb in Iraq Street which killed and injured 36 people, mostly women and children, plus the destruction of several public buildings.
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But the story has a happy ending. One day the leader of these terrorists became Prime Minister of Israel........aaaahhhhh.
Oh and I do condemn all bloodthirsty serial killers, whatever their religion. But it doesn't seem to make them stop.
What distinguishes you, Nikk, by Hisham and all, is your grasp of English, otherwise, I see nothing but similarities
1. An exceptional hatred towards the Israeli People ( I hope that you are able to notice the difference between Israelis and Jews...)
2. A primitive knowledge of History that reflects on the Internet sources you use.
I'd suggest a more carefull reading of Capel Dodger's post, where you could , propably, learn what a historical approach to a burning issue means.
3.A narrow minded approach to the innocent victims of both sides. Of course I know where do come from. I must remind you though that Israelis are not like the Brits and none in Israel has ever treated the members of PLO the way you treat the members of IRA...
4. You make the basic mistake that Arabs choose to make. I can justify the Arabs, for their History is written in blood and not in ink but unless you are muslim, I must take this mistake of yours as another proof of lack of knowledge or worse as an inability to make logical conclusions. Frankly, I don't know which oneis worse...
By you confusing pure terrorism with the way Israel was created you might ( apart from fooling yourself in public) trying to insult me but on the long run, the one that will be harmed is your own society.
5. You keep attaching, in your posts with a remarkable childish excitement( rather charming I must admit, like everything childish) extracts of the Jewish Encyclopedia... Well. It's the Jewish Encyclopedia you have discovered, not the New World.
How can someone debate the personification of fallacy, me wonders...
1. An exceptional hatred towards the Israeli People ( I hope that you are able to notice the difference between Israelis and Jews...)
2. A primitive knowledge of History that reflects on the Internet sources you use.
I'd suggest a more carefull reading of Capel Dodger's post, where you could , propably, learn what a historical approach to a burning issue means.
3.A narrow minded approach to the innocent victims of both sides. Of course I know where do come from. I must remind you though that Israelis are not like the Brits and none in Israel has ever treated the members of PLO the way you treat the members of IRA...
4. You make the basic mistake that Arabs choose to make. I can justify the Arabs, for their History is written in blood and not in ink but unless you are muslim, I must take this mistake of yours as another proof of lack of knowledge or worse as an inability to make logical conclusions. Frankly, I don't know which oneis worse...
By you confusing pure terrorism with the way Israel was created you might ( apart from fooling yourself in public) trying to insult me but on the long run, the one that will be harmed is your own society.
5. You keep attaching, in your posts with a remarkable childish excitement( rather charming I must admit, like everything childish) extracts of the Jewish Encyclopedia... Well. It's the Jewish Encyclopedia you have discovered, not the New World.
How can someone debate the personification of fallacy, me wonders...
a_unique_person
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Cleopatra said:
We all knew that the fanatics would redouble their efforts at war when peace talks were started. This has always been the pattern. And these attacks will be going on for many years to come, although probably not as frequently. It only takes a few to ruin it for the majority.
But as I was reading, the roadmap depends on Israelis confronting their own religious extremists. This also is not going to happen. In fact, one of them has manipulated events to get himself elected as prime minister.
Ok I totally agree with you Unique but tell me in all honesty, please:
Which side do you think that will benefit most of the peace process right now?
I think that the Palestinian. Those are the ones who suffocate right now...
I think that it's time that the pacificists of both side help each other.
We can't get rid of Sharon's mentality if they don't help us, they can't get rid of terrorism that harms them most, if we don't help them.
I think that the time has come when none questions the obvious and I consider this as progress.
Which side do you think that will benefit most of the peace process right now?
I think that the Palestinian. Those are the ones who suffocate right now...
I think that it's time that the pacificists of both side help each other.
We can't get rid of Sharon's mentality if they don't help us, they can't get rid of terrorism that harms them most, if we don't help them.
I think that the time has come when none questions the obvious and I consider this as progress.
a_unique_person
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Cleopatra said:
It appears neither sides extremists think they will benefit. They can't get rid of their terrorists while there are settlements being continually built. Every new settlement just confirms the Israeli State is hell bent on annexing the West Bank and Gaza. It is the aim of Sharon to do exactly that.
Israel makes the most incredible efforts at military efforts to control the Palestinians, to the point where the economy is close to collaps, while doing nothing to stop it's own extremists.
I would think that he is refering to the evolution of mistrust and hatred.....That no one is free from the hatred as long as they allow the cycle to perpetuate.
Several people posting to this thread have allowed their prejudices to take the place of reason. It is sad that people can actually believe they are speaking with reason, while those on the outside looking in see only fear, and animosity.
From reading this thread, and observing the prejudices from several different perspectives, it is easy to understand how difficult the path to peace in the Middle East will be.
Baker said:
Of course, but it will have to be tomorrow. It is material from the Internet recorded as text without a URL. I'll track it down.
Meanwhile a little information. There were two Zionist/Jewish terrorist oganisations. The Stern Gang and the Irgun Zvai Leumi better known as Irgun B or the Irgun.
Both Menachim Begin and Yitzhak (sp) Shamir were leaders of the organisation and were prime ministers from 1977 to 1992.
In a letter to the New York Times in 1948 Albert Einstein called the Irgun " "a terrorist, rightwing, chauvinist organization" that stood for "ultranationalism, religious mysticism and racial superiority." .........He opposed Begin's visit to the United States in 1949 because Begin and his movement amounted to........ "a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a 'leader state' is the goal," adding:
"The IZL [Irgun] and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute."
I have heard, but cannot verify that Einstein was invited to become President of Israel, but declined.
Incidentally Irgun terrorism continued during WW2 thus in a very, very, small way assisting the Nazi's by putting a small extra drain on the resources devoted to the British war effort. Still, its the thought that counts.
I thought the words "what goes around comes around" explained why I posted that historical snippet. We have a cycle of revenge attack and reprisal in Israel and the occupied territories, each party thinks that what it does is morally justified as revenge for some past atrocity by the other side or at least that a desirable end will be achieved which will justify the means used to achieve it.
There is a tendency by some members on this board to depict Palestinian terrorists as uniquely evil. I am trying to point out that whatever else they may be they are not unique and that their actions have more to do with their past brutalisation than their religion. As I have said before, if you brutalise people you get brutes.
Cleopatra said:
This post deserves a more detailed and considered response than I have time to give it at the moment. I will provide that tomorrow.
I will however comment briefly on point 5. I used that reference as an unbiased source to refute a specific and frequently used argument. There are other sources confirming my point. Why shouldn't I use it whenever the argument needs to be refuted?
Look on the bright side, I try to avoid philosophical cracker mottos like "ad hominem", "straw man", "argument from authority" etc. I find them much more tedious than seeing a reference to a familiar information source. But maybe thats just me.
Lazarus said:
For myself Lazarus when I first started to be aware of the problems of the Middle East my sympathy was with Israel and the Jews. However the more I learned about the conflict and the history of the area the less respect I had for Israel and the more sympathy I had for the Palestinians. I have no personal axe to grind.
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This has to work both ways don't you think? Or perhaps only one side is at fault here?
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Is this another claim from the Sylvia Browne and Uri Geller school perhaps?
Come on Dick, let's see your evidence. If you have any is there any chance of seeing it before Sylvia enters the Million Dollar Test next week? Just asking.
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See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1701343.stm.
No British government has fired recklessly with helicopters in such a way in Northern Ireland. The wholesale demolishing of evidence and property as seen in Jenin and elsewhere in Palestine has no parallel in Northern Ireland even though IRA bombers attacked and killed Airey Neave in the grounds of the Houses of Parliament and destroyed the Brighton hotel of the government.
IRA killers have been set free in Northern Ireland by the British govenment to start a peace process. IRA bombers have been put through a judicial process and although some have been killed the scale of assassination without trial of alleged suspects in Palestine has no modern equivalent in Northern Ireland.
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Richard G said:
It's so simple, why don't we just blow up the whole country. They are all terrorists.
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We know, but the kids in the fields with the guns are told otherwise and some wish to believe otherwise.
This angers and sadens us to a point as many of us feel helpless in this time.
This angers and sadens us to a point as many of us feel helpless in this time.
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hisham said:
Yes, I do !
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max said:
Yeah Max ..
It can be possible when we believe in each other .. when we knew the fact of Israel ..
