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we should give in to the terrorist

Corwyn

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and solve the middle east problem once and for all.

While muslim/arab apologist CLAIM that the terrorists are a small minority, the continued and overwhelming evidence indicates that those Arabs/Muslims who truly disagree with the terrorist philosophy have left the Middle East a long time ago. Have assimilated into the western countries they immigrated to and have become contributing members to our society. The arabs that are still there while kowtowing to/for the western help because they are opportunists and see a way to "get some" for themselves are happy to take EVERY chance to go dance on the streets when a Westerner/American dies in the name of allah. There is no Arab leader, with any significant following or power who has EVER drawn the line against the terrorist. Sadat tried, King of Jordan maybe? If the terrorists are the vocal minority then let the silent majority rise. Once and for all, it is time for them to take arms and stand at post! If Hungarians could rise up against the organized occupying Russian army who had the active help of the ruling govt in 56, if the Pols could strike and march in even harsher conditions, if Chinese students could march in Tienamin (sp) square against tanks, HOW IS IT that ALL the peace loving people of Iraq can do now, when they have the support and backing of the US military to protect them, is to cheer when one of US dies?
The evidence tells me that they are not interested in freedom and even more they are FOR the terrorists. To me a perfect analogy would be the 50's and 60's south. Not every white person in AL and MS went out and lynched a black man on a Saturday night. But they knew who did, they didn't stop them and they didn't tell the FBI. Why, because they believed in the cause.
I SAY, lets give them what they want!

Lets have Hammas, Bin Laden et. al. draw lines in the sand. What is the Muslim world? Define a clear border, put up a Berlin wall and have a clear order to shoot to kill. Any western nation, company or person who sells, trades or profits by/with the new Muslim world is aiding the enemy. This crime would be punishable by the loss of ALL personal, corporate property and the deportation of the westerner into the Muslim word. If it's a country, it would get added to the Muslim world by the west. Any persons from the Muslim world found/captured in the west would be considered spies and shot.

If the west is EVIL, then NOTHING from the West can go there! NO Meds, NO Technology, food, services OR MONEY. And NOTHING from the muslim world could come out!


On the West Side - The US has spent in access of $90 Billion on the war? And we haven't even STARTED to count yet to see what the real figures are! The UK, and all the other countries have probably spent as much. The ONLY thing that the West wants from the Arabs is oil.
They offer NO technological innovations, art, literature or even a cheap labor force.
If we invested $180 Billion dollars plus on TRUE and REAL science to come up with an alternative renewable fuel source, couldn't we do it?

Of course this would mean that Detroit, would ACTUALLY HAVE to build a quality product instead of the gas guzzling, overpowered sh8T they've been churning out for decades. And all the Neocons and rich spoiled soccer moms may have learn to exist without driving their commercially rates over 9000# SUVs and drive more reasonable vehicles like station wagons to the Gym and the mall, so it may be asking for WAY WAY too much from the Amreican public!

Of course this is all hyperbole . The western corporate world has way to much money invested in the middle east and losing that power means losing their control over the west and that just won’t do!


Cor
 
Aha, oh if only it was that simple

truth is this is now beyond just a clash of cultures easily solved by disengaugement

its war

the only choice the middle east needs to make is which side its actually on

and the only choice the western world needs to make is how far we go about dealing with them

after all that vision of democracy we keep bringing to them doesnt really work too well here at home, what chance does it stand out there?

we either get softer and let the bad elements of the middle east get away with murder, or we get alot tougher and make an example of one or two nations in a very dramatic way forgetting our nations civilised manners in the process

devil and deep blue sea come into the process i'm sure
 
TAILGUNNER said:

we either get softer and let the bad elements of the middle east get away with murder, or we get alot tougher and make an example of one or two nations in a very dramatic way forgetting our nations civilised manners in the process

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Give me back my broken night
My secret room, my secret life
It’s lonely here
There’s no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
Over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby
That’s an order!

Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that’s left
And stuff it up the hole
In your culture
Give back the berlin wall
Give me stalin and st. paul
I’ve seen the future, brother
It is murder

Things are going to slide in all directions
Won’t be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard of the world
Has crossed the threshold
And it has overturned
The order of the soul
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant

You don’t know me from the wind
You never will, you never did
I’m the little jew
Who wrote the bible
I’ve seen nations rise and fall
I’ve heard their stories, heard them all
But love’s the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
To say it clear, to say it cold
It’s over, it ain’t going
Any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
You feel the devil’s riding crop
Get ready for the future
It is murder

Things are going to slide in all directions
Won’t be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard of the world
Has crossed the threshold
And it has overturned
The order of the soul
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant

There’ll be the breaking of the ancient
Western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There’ll be phantoms
There’ll be fires in the road
And the white man dancing
You’ll see the woman
Hanging upside down
Her features covered by her fallen gown
And all the lousy little poets
Coming round
Trying to sound like charlie manson

Things are going to slide in all directions
Won’t be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard of the world
Has crossed the threshold
And it has overturned
The order of the soul
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant

Give me back the berlin wall
Give me stalin and st. paul
Give me christ
Or give me hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don’t like children anyhow
I’ve seen the future, baby
It is murder

Things are going to slide in all directions
Won’t be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard of the world
Has crossed the threshold
And it has overturned
The order of the soul
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant
When they said repent
I wonder what they meant



Leonard Cohen 1992
 
Corwyn said:
HOW IS IT that ALL the peace loving people of Iraq can do now, when they have the support and backing of the US military to protect them, is to cheer when one of US dies?

You're making a grave mistake in thinking that what the media shows you is representative of what's going on. It's not. The largest demonstrations in Iraq have been against the terrorists. Never saw that on the evening news, did you? Do not believe the press.


Lets have Hammas, Bin Laden et. al. draw lines in the sand. What is the Muslim world? Define a clear border, put up a Berlin wall and have a clear order to shoot to kill.

No can do, for many reasons. First, their definition includes places like Spain (Andalusia). Second, many muslim countries don't want the terrorists (Turkey, for example) so they won't play ball. Third, you've got to be kidding if you think that would satisfy them. And fourth, the whole world depends on middle eastern oil. What you're proposing amounts to worldwide economic collapse, world war 3, etc. Third world countries would collapse, leading to widespread starvation and probably genocidal ethnic conflict, first world countries would have their standards of living reduced incredibly (and would drift towards becoming third world), smuggling would happen anyways, Russia would probably resume its more beligerent past behavior (it will have more oil than us, relatively speaking, so they won't fear resuming their past superpower status), there's no chance in hell you'd be able to keep oil-starved countries from trying to do deals on the side, etc.


Of course this is all hyperbole . The western corporate world has way to much money invested in the middle east and losing that power means losing their control over the west and that just won’t do!

Genocide, mass starvation, and possible nuclear war won't do. Pull your head out of your backside: there's a lot more at stake here than simply corporate profits, and the people who would suffer the most would be those closest to the edge, namely all those third-world countries who couldn't afford the oil they need to even survive if what you propose happened.
 

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