WE ARE NOT TERRORISTS !!

[peptoabysmal]

I find it interesting that Arabs often hold views that would brand a person a rascist if they were a white person living in the U.S.

It is way beyond racism or even the property rights of Palestine. All of the Sons of Abraham believe they have been annointed as God's only people. I don't think the land itself has half the weight as the religious self righteousness of both sides.

At least with racism you have a good chance that one or both sides will see the ridiculous nature of bigotry and come to at least some terms whereby they can live in relative peace.

As an atheist, it is hard for me to concieve of so many people fighting and dying over something that doesn't even exist.

I can't imagine myself strapping on bombs and running into a supermarket because the Easter Bunny promised me a few virgins after I die. I could probably get a better deal from Santa Claus, he told me about this promised land...

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by maxI am glad to hear that you are not terrorists but why every time any moslem/arab/hindu etc is interviewed on TV do they always support Palistine/Iraq/Iran as opposed to the country in which they now live. Why do they not support UK for instance if this is where they now live?

This is an outright lie.

See http://media.guardian.co.uk/attack/story/0,1301,604989,00.html

I wonder if Max supports any other country as well as the one he lives? Just asking.

 

[Nikk]

It is way beyond racism or even the property rights of Palestine. All of the Sons of Abraham believe they have been annointed as God's only people. I don't think the land itself has half the weight as the religious self righteousness of both sides.

At least with racism you have a good chance that one or both sides will see the ridiculous nature of bigotry and come to at least some terms whereby they can live in relative peace.

As an atheist, it is hard for me to concieve of so many people fighting and dying over something that doesn't even exist.

I can't imagine myself strapping on bombs and running into a supermarket because the Easter Bunny promised me a few virgins after I die. I could probably get a better deal from Santa Claus, he told me about this promised land...

I've always been puzzled by why virgins are supposed to be so desirable when you are some sort of spirit. After all they are not going to get pregnant, ( I think the virgins are actually a kind of spirit who are recreated virgins every day ) so no worries about whether you are bringing up someone elses children.

Plus experience and enthusiasm usually wins out over inexperience and uncertainty in giving a more enjoyable 'in the sack' experience.

Anyone know what rewards muslim women get in heaven?

As regards Judaism pehaps there is a god, or rather not one but lots of them.
Could be that Abraham and Moses were taken for a ride by some malicious god with an evil sense of humour. Someone like Loki in the Norse mythology who just wanted to invent a religion and see how long he could impose serial disasters on the faithful before they wised up. So far it seems to be 4000years and counting.

 

[GrapeJ713]

Dont worry about it Someone. Your covered as long as the Saudi goverment is Ok with the US government . Shoot, most of the 911 killers were Saudi's yet we were trained to hate the Iraqis. So as long as your not Syrian, Iranian, or Palistinian, your OK.

YET! It looks like maybe the government is coming to the conclusion that the Saudi government (not most of it's people) hates the USA. The War on Terror is going to take a very long time, the USA government is using 9-11-01 to justify doing anything it damn well pleases. From what I have seen, most the reason most arabs don't like the USA is because we support Israel and they treat the poor Palestineans badly. It looks to me like the Palestineans prefer eternal war to peace. So a lot more people are going to die from this neverending fight.

 

[peptoabysmal]

Anyone know what rewards muslim women get in heaven?

Perhaps they get their clitoris back?

Female Circumcision

 

[Jesse]

And where should the Jews go ?? mmmmm a good question that needs to think about . well, why don't they just go back from the place they came from??????? .

Where did they come from?

 

[hisham]

Perhaps they get their clitoris back?

Female Circumcision

And will apply for them The Law of the Sotah ?

 

[Nikk]

Where did they come from?

Well you could consult theJewish Encyclopedia which shows that they came from Russia to begin with., back in the late 19th century.

The encyclopedia states:

.".........Since the dispersion of the Jews from their native land, many efforts have been made to induce them to return to Palestine and engage in agriculture. Probably the first of these to lead to any practical result occurred in the nineteenth century; though in the travels of Benjamin of Tudela, and of Peta?yah of Ratisbon, there are records of small settlements of Jews in the Holy Land dating as far back as 1170. .............

........About 1860, several orthodox rabbis, among whom were Hirsch Kalischer and Elijah Gutmacher, developed a plan for the colonization of Palestine with Russian and Rumanian Jews; and this plan was soon after supported by the Maskilim (Progressists). The latter induced the Alliance Israélite Universelle, of Paris, to interest themselves in the matter, notwithstanding the circumstance that many members of the Alliance doubted the adaptability of the Jews to agricultural work........

.......................The year 1882 witnessed the foundation of the first of the Russian-Jewish Agricultural Colonies in Palestine. This community, which was called Rishon le-Zion........"

Later Zionist colonists came from elsewhere in Europe, North America and the Muslim world.

 

[a_unique_person]

Perhaps they get their clitoris back?

Female Circumcision

All religions are equally ridiculous.

 

[Nikk]

All religions are equally ridiculous.

But some are more equal than others

 

[Nikk]

By calling the US army to do like what he did in Iraq? Or to call for civil war? We do want to rid of those regimes but we don't like to let barbarian armies to destroy our countries, and now you are speaking about democracy, did you know that more than half the Jewish population of Israel is opposed to full equal rights for Israeli Arabs, according to a survey conducted last month by the Israel Democracy Institute?

Sometimes you need a damn good civil war or revolution. The English Civil War, the French Revolution, the US civil war all changed things for the better.
This is not true of all revolutions of course!

However in all seriousness is the invasion or Iraq such a bad thing? However dishonest and ill thought out the motives of the coalition may have been a leader has been removed who murdered large numbers of Kurds and Shia Muslims; engaged in an enormously costly( in both human and economic terms) war with Iran; invaded Kuwait thus provoking the first war; and then caused further losses by refusing to honor the surrender terms leading to the invasion.

OK, occupation by foreign troops always provokes anger and resentment and the sooner most of them leave the better but nevertheless Iraq now has an opportunity to create a society without a tyrant in charge. The opportunity needs to be exploited whether it is the result of a "barbarian" invasion or not.

As regards Israel, let us just say that I am not its greatest admirer. However it exists and it is beyond the Arab capacity to defeat it militarily. In these circumstances what do you think would constitute a reasonable peace settlement.

 

[Cleopatra]

Mr.Someone started a thread to inform the international community that his brothers, the Arabs, are not terrorists.

Since that day, two other major blasts occured,one in Morocco and one in East Jerusalem today, close to my house.

Today's explosion occured after PM Sharon met with the...how shall I call him.. ok President of the Palestinians Abu Mazen.

Today, a lunatic serial killer, who visualises himself in the Paradize eating rice with Allah, decided to kill innocent civilians IN THE NAME OF HIS GOD and ignoring how he would harm the Palestinians.

Now explain to me, the idiot, if you are not terrorists, what the hell are you? How you call yourselves.

Let me tell you.

You are not terrorists but you are cowards and prisoners of your religious fanatism, you always were ,you will always be and that's why you will always stay slaves.

You have what you deserve and maybe more than you deserve.

I pity you and the bloodthirsty serial killers that you don't dare to condemn.

 

[hisham]

Mr.Someone started a thread to inform the international community that his brothers, the Arabs, are not terrorists.

Since that day, two other major blasts occured,one in Morocco and one in East Jerusalem today, close to my house.

Today's explosion occured after PM Sharon met with the...how shall I call him.. ok President of the Palestinians Abu Mazen.

Today, a lunatic serial killer, who visualises himself in the Paradize eating rice with Allah, decided to kill innocent civilians IN THE NAME OF HIS GOD and ignoring how he would harm the Palestinians.

Now explain to me, the idiot, if you are not terrorists, what the hell are you? How you call yourselves.

Let me tell you.

You are not terrorists but you are cowards and prisoners of your religious fanatism, you always were ,you will always be and that's why you will always stay slaves.

You have what you deserve and maybe more than you deserve.

I pity you and the bloodthirsty serial killers that you don't dare to condemn.

They are individuals, but the difference is that: your government, PM, and the entire state are Terrorists

 

[Cleopatra]

I pity you Hisham. I can't debate a slave anymore, I wish you the best for the future, although I doubt it.

 

[Tony]

They are individuals, but the difference is that: your government, PM, and the entire state are Terrorists

As long as you and your people continue to have this attitude and refuse to acknowledge the wrongs perpetuated by yourselves, you will be condemned to live in the squalor you deserve.

 

[hisham]

I pity you Hisham. I can't debate a slave anymore, I wish you the best for the future, although I doubt it.

I know that you can't debate with anybody like all in your society , because you still live in the Egyptian slavish age.
Thank you for wishing me the best future, but while you think like that you will never get better future.

 

[hisham]

As long as you and your people continue to have this attitude and refuse to acknowledge the wrongs perpetuated by yourselves, you will be condemned to live in the squalor you deserve.

And what about you and your people? You don't refuse to acknowledge the wrongs perpetuated by yourselves?

 

[Tony]

And what about you and your people?

What "people" would that be?


You don't refuse to acknowledge the wrongs perpetuated by yourselves?

Of what "wrongs" do you speak?

 

[Cleopatra]

Hisham. Is there a way for us to help Syria to obtain a democracy?

Is there a petition where I can sign maybe?

What can we do, apart from asking President Bush to liberate you ?

Please, let me know.

 

[hisham]

Hisham. Is there a way for us to help Syria to obtain a democracy?

Is there a petition where I can sign maybe?

What can we do, apart from asking President Bush to liberate you ?

Please, let me know.

Begin with your self then look for others