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Does this terrorist attack "count"?

specious_reasons

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86741,00.html

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — The terror attack that killed at least 20 people in Riyadh Monday night "had the earmarks of Al Qaeda," Secretary of State Colin Powell (search) said Tuesday.

[snip]

At least 40 other Americans reportedly were wounded.

Powell initially said that 10 Americans had been killed, but that number was later lowered to eight.

I keep on bringing this up.... It's not a plane crashing into a US building, but this is a presumed Al-Qaeda attack on a "soft" American target overseas.

Yet, people still think there hasn't been a terrorist attack since 9/11/01. What am I missing? Not "big" enough? Not on American soil? What?
 
I'd like to point out that at this point in time, no planes have been rammed into the WTC in New York since September 11. I'm sure I don't need to point out that this is all down to Bush's leadership.
 
Mr Manifesto said:
I'd like to point out that at this point in time, no planes have been rammed into the WTC in New York since September 11. I'm sure I don't need to point out that this is all down to Bush's leadership.

Don´t forget the smilies. Some people here don´t catch irony as easily as others do.
 
Re: Re: Does this terrorist atack "count"?

corplinx said:


Out of sight, out of mind.

The USS Cole and the embassy bombings were out of mind not long after they occurred, too. Alhough, people manage to remember them when they're thinking of "past terrorist attacks.

But, those were "bigger" right? Or... something?
 
Re: Re: Re: Does this terrorist atack "count"?

specious_reasons said:


The USS Cole and the embassy bombings were out of mind not long after they occurred, too. Alhough, people manage to remember them when they're thinking of "past terrorist attacks.

But, those were "bigger" right? Or... something?

the cole and the embassy bombings become frighteningly vivid only in hindsight apparently

I think the reason the Saudi Bombing isn't more provocative is because the US made the mideast the main front in the war on terror by invading Iraq. Taking out terrorists in Afghanistan is well and good, but when we invaded Iraq we gave the extremists in the surrounding countries an opportunity to cross the border and fight us.

As such, the Saudi bombing is probably more looked at as a tangent to the Iraq conflict.
 
Seeing how car accidents costs much more in lives, injuries, and money than terrorism.... what was my point? Oh yeah... where is the war against car accidents?
 
corplinx said:


the cole and the embassy bombings become frighteningly vivid only in hindsight apparently

I think the reason the Saudi Bombing isn't more provocative is because the US made the mideast the main front in the war on terror by invading Iraq. Taking out terrorists in Afghanistan is well and good, but when we invaded Iraq we gave the extremists in the surrounding countries an opportunity to cross the border and fight us.

As such, the Saudi bombing is probably more looked at as a tangent to the Iraq conflict.

Hey, thanks for the response, corplinx.

I don't know if I would count it as tangential to the Iraq conflict, but reasonable people can disagree.
 
specious_reasons said:
Tuesday, May 13, 2003

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86741,00.html



I keep on bringing this up.... It's not a plane crashing into a US building, but this is a presumed Al-Qaeda attack on a "soft" American target overseas.

Yet, people still think there hasn't been a terrorist attack since 9/11/01. What am I missing? Not "big" enough? Not on American soil? What?

specious,
The funny thing is that you have no sense of irony. You post this to show that THERE HAVE BEEN ATTACKS ON AMERICANS SINCE 9/11! yet even you seem to almost "get" just how silly this assertion is.

Your assertion is technically correct, but it's just plain stupid to try and equate this to 9/11. All it does is show how whittled down the once mighty Al Qaeda is. Before the WOT they were taking on hard targets; US military barracks,...High value civilian targets on US soil, A US warship,...Two US Embassies....

...and now what? They kill a few Americans on Saudi soil in "housing areas". Does that sound like a hard target to you? Does that sound like Al Qaeda has gotten stronger to you?
From the link you provided:
The bombings, which took place about 11:30 p.m. Monday, constituted one of the deadliest terror attacks on Americans since Sept. 11, 2001.

8 Americans are killed in lightly defended housing area in Saudi Arabia....and this actually qualifies as the:deadliest terror attacks on Americans since Sept. 11, 2001. The deadliest terror attack since 4 simultaneously hijacked planes took out 3 landmark buildings killing in excess of 3,000 Americans...and the death toll was what? 8 people? You hold THAT up as proof of continuuing attacks?? Are you insane? Do you think Americans built safe rooms and bought 500 million rolls of duct tape because a house in Saudi with an American sleeping in it might get blown up? :confused:

How can you NOT see that as proof positive of the effectiveness of the WOT and Homeland Security? I watched the Pentagon burn in person....every one of us here thought that we were seeing the beginning of a major terrorism war against us. Many were saying that 9/11 was just a taste of the horrors to come. No one was saying that we would be safe from attack....nor do I believe that Al Qaeda intended to stop after 9/11. Yet 9/11 is starting to look more and more like an aberration as time goes by. Why? My answer is to credit the WOT and HS policies. When we say "no attacks since 9/11" we mean that we are seeing nothing of the usual scale of Al Qaeda....nor attacks on targets favored in the past by Al Qaeda.

Do you "get it" now??

-z
 
Minor point of fact: 8 Americans, 20 total dead, 40 Americans wounded, 194 total wounded (although that includes minor wounds, according to the article).

I disagree that the embassies and the USS Cole were "hard" targets. IIRC, the Cole was in a civilian port in Yemen, and the embassies were not guarded better than the "soft" target last year. (Feel free to correct me if my recollection is wrong.) Plus, these were attacks in foreign countries where there were either:
- large groups of people sympathetic to Al Qaeda, or
- ineffective policing, or
- both.

The attack in Saudi Arabia is what Al-Qaeda did before they got more successful and well organized. I take this as proof that they are attempting to regroup, each "successful" terrorist act is used as advertisement for like-minded recruits. And I take it as proof that they are still committed to attacking Americans.

How can you NOT see that as proof positive of the effectiveness of the WOT and Homeland Security? I watched the Pentagon burn in person....every one of us here thought that we were seeing the beginning of a major terrorism war against us. Many were saying that 9/11 was just a taste of the horrors to come. No one was saying that we would be safe from attack....nor do I believe that Al Qaeda intended to stop after 9/11. Yet 9/11 is starting to look more and more like an aberration as time goes by. Why? My answer is to credit the WOT and HS policies. When we say "no attacks since 9/11" we mean that we are seeing nothing of the usual scale of Al Qaeda....nor attacks on targets favored in the past by Al Qaeda.

Do you "get it" now??

The threat from Al Qaeda has been diminished, I'd be a fool to say otherwise. It is clear to me that, regardless of other efforts in the WOT, the attack on Afghanistan disrupted plans and made it harder for Al Qaeda to function.

And because that threat is diminshed, it means that they will not be able to attack in the way they did until they can regroup. I'm not so certain as you that this isn't happening.

The attack last year is both proof that Al Qaeda has been weakened, and that they still have the will and desire to attack. I think that, unless the WOT is effective, we will start to see larger and bolder attacks.

I think the WOT hasn't been proven a success yet.

You seem to think so, Rik, and I hope you're more right than me.

But can I ask one thing: Next time this topic comes up, would you acknowledge that there has been an attack since 9/11? Minimize it as much as you want, but please acknowledge its existence.
 
They count as "terror attacks" if theres a democrat in office.

That way the bushites can bragthat theres been "no new attacks since 911" and at the same time blame Clinton for ignoring the Cole etc,... "terror attacks".
 
Looks like an attack to me...what do I know? The fact that it is in Saudo Arabia makes it bery scary, that is the country that we prop up and support and they did supply the WTC bombers.

Very sad, all deaths are sad, but deaths that aren't in a combat zone are unexpected. Even more so that this target had been fortified.
 
Tmy said:
They count as "terror attacks" if theres a democrat in office.

That way the bushites can bragthat theres been "no new attacks since 911" and at the same time blame Clinton for ignoring the Cole etc,... "terror attacks".

Funny thing, though - Bush doesn't say that there haven't been any attacks since 9/11. So in some sense, it's a bit of a strawman - you can find plenty of things said in support of just about any candidate that they themselves would probably not ever agree with.

And yeah, Clinton didn't do anything substantive in response to the Cole bombing. Some people understood the danger at the time, most did not.
 

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