VisionFromFeeling - General discussion thread

Isn't it time to let the dead bury it's dead? Anita is gone, but can still reads the public forums and is probably still getting vicarious pleasure for being the centre of attention, which is IMHO what she was craving.

let it go.

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
Isn't it time to let the dead bury it's dead? Anita is gone, but can still reads the public forums and is probably still getting vicarious pleasure for being the centre of attention, which is IMHO what she was craving.

let it go.
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Supposing what you way is 100% true, why should people stop discussing her?
 
UncaYimmy said:
Supposing what you way is 100% true, why should people stop discussing her?
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She's now setting up her own forum, and hopes that you will all migrate over there to discuss her.

I have no official opinion on that.


Edit: I did offer to make some purty graphics for it though, I look for any excuse to play with my Adobe suite.
 
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I could see value not in discussing her per se, but what the whole "drama" itself can reveal about the way she was handled by the JREF, the members, what could have been done better or not, the impact the drama had on causing internal turmoil, etc and so forth.

Since she's no longer a poster here, so why should she continue to be referenced above any of the other claimants the JREF has entertained? I could understand giving things time to "die down" ... but there are now several websites to discuss her continually if needed, yes?

What I think would be interesting would be to take a poll, specifically addressing the way the overall issue with her was handled and the effects it's had and the thoughts of those who are opinionated on the matter. Take a poll now, while it's still a little "hot" ... and then wait a couple of weeks to take another poll to see if anyone's overall POV has changed after their "head has time to clear" so to speak. Again .... not their POV on Anita and her b.s. ....... but their POV on themselves and the chaos the whole thing caused the JREF and others.
 
UncaYimmy said:
Supposing what you way is 100% true, why should people stop discussing her?
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I actually meant here. If you wish to continue your own site, go for it, I will continue to read your updates with interest. But as far as JREF goes, she is done and dusted. I personally draw the line at commenting on somebody who cannot comment back.

Norm.
 
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fromdownunder said:
I actually meant here. If you wish to continue your own site, go for it, I will continue to read your updates with interest. But as far as JREF goes, she is done and dusted. I personally draw the line at commenting on somebody who cannot comment back.
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That's fine, and nobody says you have to. What does her "vicarious pleasure" have to do with it? I'm not seeing the connection.

It's her own fault that she is not permitted to post here or on my board. She was given plenty of chances and blew it. We discuss lots of people who don't post here or who cannot post any longer. We discussed her while she was on suspension and couldn't post. I'm not understanding your reasoning. I mean, if you're bored with it, by all means, don't read the threads. I'm just not understanding why you want others to stop.

If you think VFF is done, I'm pretty confident you're wrong. I don't see her stopping anytime soon.
 
UncaYimmy said:
That's fine, and nobody says you have to. What does her "vicarious pleasure" have to do with it? I'm not seeing the connection.
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(About to break my own rule here) Because she is an attention whore. She probably sees Anita in print anywhere, and thinks, hey that's me, and regardless of anything else, soaks in the limelight, regardless of whether it is her or not. She strikes me as the sort of person who bows when she hears a thunderclap, and expects the air to part in front of her when she enters a room.

She has opened up years old threads and added "me, me. me" comments from time to time which have given strong evidence as to what she actually is..

It's her own fault that she is not permitted to post here or on my board. She was given plenty of chances and blew it. We discuss lots of people who don't post here or who cannot post any longer. We discussed her while she was on suspension and couldn't post. I'm not understanding your reasoning. I mean, if you're bored with it, by all means, don't read the threads. I'm just not understanding why you want others to stop.

If you think VFF is done, I'm pretty confident you're wrong. I don't see her stopping anytime soon.
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I did not say she is done. I did say she is done on JREF, but if you wish to keep giving her the attention she seems to absolutely live for, that's your choice. Pandering to her desire for attention on JREF simply means that the illusion of her laughable "abilities" continues (again, breaking my own rules, since she is certainly still following this thread).

Norm
 
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fromdownunder said:
(About to break my own rule here) Because she is an attention whore. She probably sees Anita in print anywhere, and thinks, hey that's me, and regardless of anything else, soaks in the limelight, regardless of whether it is her or not. She strikes me as the sort of person who bows when she hears a thunderclap, and expects the air to part in front of her when she enters a room.

She has opened up years old threads and added "me, me. me" comments from time to time which have given strong evidence as to what she actually is..
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I don't think I made myself clear in my question. I know all the above. Hell, I'm the one who put forth Narcissistic Personality Disorder as an explanation in the first place. What I'm not seeing is why that means we shouldn't talk about her.

Do you think that attention makes her condition worse? The research I've read shows that it doesn't. In effect there seem to be two ways of dealing with NPDs on a personal level. One way is to give them the attention they crave, and the other is to scare them into being afraid of manipulating you. The third method isn't really a method - you just don't deal with them at all. None of that helps or hurts them. In fact the prognosis for NPDs is not good. Most never get any help, and those that do don't meet with much success.

So, why are you suggesting that we alter our behavior because of her personal problems?


I did not say she is done. I did say she is done on JREF, but if you wish to keep giving her the attention she seems to absolutely live for, that's your choice. Pandering to her desire for attention on JREF simply means that the illusion of her laughable "abilities" continues (again, breaking my own rules, since she is certainly still following this thread).
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What makes you think she's done with the JREF? She still has Jeff Wagg's home phone, and he thinks her claims are interesting and worthy of more testing. She is still eligible apply for the MDC as far as I know. She's maintaining contact with forum members, and like you said, she's probably reading this thread.

As for her delusions about her abilities, they were running full force long before she arrived here. If you think absolute silence by members here will have any effect on that, then I encourage you to explain why. Evidence to the contrary abounds.
 
I've mentioned a "reading" VFF offered me in March 2009. Below is the actual Skype chat. I offer it so people can see just how deluded and mentally ill this woman is. Note that she says, "I feel as if I'm feeling you from your perspective." I don't know about you, but I've never experienced anything like that. These types of "visions" seem to be constant with her. When they don't match up to reality, she ignores them. When they do, she assumes special powers. See for yourself.


[3/30/2009 9:19:36 PM] Anita Ikonen: I've seen a few pictures of you online.
[3/30/2009 9:19:54 PM] Anita Ikonen: In what I perceive, I feel as if I'm feeling you from your perspective. And I also see it as an image.
[3/30/2009 9:20:29 PM] Anita Ikonen: And in that perception, I see that you have a quite large body. Large bone structure. Tall and also very wide.

Note: She's seen my picture, so of course she knows I'm a big boy. She also did a "reading" trying to guess my ailments, and she got them horribly wrong. Her conclusion: Her ability doesn't work from photos like she thought. That means the test was successful in defining her abilities.

[3/30/2009 9:20:50 PM] Anita Ikonen: And that very regularly you will shift your position. You do not sit still for many seconds.
[3/30/2009 9:21:01 PM] Anita Ikonen: Do not agree or disagree with any of it until I've finished with my description.
[3/30/2009 9:21:14 PM] Anita Ikonen: Don't interrupt and let me finish, ok?
[3/30/2009 9:21:19 PM] Jim Carr: k
[3/30/2009 9:22:20 PM] Anita Ikonen: You will shift your position maybe as often as every 5 seconds. And you'll lean over and shift the angle at which your leaning and then remain at that until you change again. Most people don't do that, most people can sit quite still and most people will lean forward and remain that way, but you don't. You keep shifting and lean at different angles.
[3/30/2009 9:22:31 PM] Anita Ikonen: I'll tell you once I'm finished.
[3/30/2009 9:24:04 PM] Anita Ikonen: One shift makes you have your arms on the table and then you lean your back backwards toward the left. Or then you'll keep your back the same way but only change what direction your legs are turned on the chair.
[3/30/2009 9:24:28 PM] Anita Ikonen: You keep doing that all the time. Very constantly. And most people don't. Most people sit still, but you keep shifting.
[3/30/2009 9:24:42 PM] Anita Ikonen: In a few second intervals.
[3/30/2009 9:25:10 PM] Anita Ikonen: Most people will remain seated with their legs turned forwards, and if they change position it would be much more subtle and not involve the legs.
[3/30/2009 9:25:26 PM] Anita Ikonen: You turn around with your upper body or your lower body but not both, at few second intervals.
[3/30/2009 9:25:50 PM] Anita Ikonen: Or you just shift how your forearms are leaning on the table.
[3/30/2009 9:26:10 PM] Anita Ikonen: It's like your body is very heavy, even to you.
[3/30/2009 9:26:35 PM] Anita Ikonen: Sometimes you lift up your arms and put your hands on your thighs and then lean back.
[3/30/2009 9:26:50 PM] Anita Ikonen: And you sit with your legs apart, not all men do that.

Note: Actually, most men do sit with their legs apart. We have equipment down there. That's why we don't cross our legs like ladies do.

[3/30/2009 9:27:08 PM] Anita Ikonen: As if you're constantly adjusting your body because of your skeleton.
[3/30/2009 9:27:28 PM] Anita Ikonen: And very often I can feel as if I feel you thinking by the computer.
[3/30/2009 9:27:44 PM] Anita Ikonen: I get that a lot, that I see and also feel a person who in that perception is thinking of me.

Note: Narcissism?

[3/30/2009 9:28:20 PM] Anita Ikonen: When you think, it feels soft. It doesn't feel like deep, hard, or focused contemplation, but soft.
[3/30/2009 9:28:38 PM] Anita Ikonen: You sit very spread-out with your arms and legs.
[3/30/2009 9:28:45 PM] Anita Ikonen: And not all men do that.
[3/30/2009 9:29:02 PM] Anita Ikonen: Constantly turning around with your back or torso. Or then it is the legs or just the arms.
[3/30/2009 9:29:19 PM] Anita Ikonen: And sometimes you look away from the screen, to think. But everyone does that.
[3/30/2009 9:29:36 PM] Anita Ikonen: Your thoughts feel very kind, soft, gentle.
[3/30/2009 9:29:47 PM] Anita Ikonen: Feel very friendly.
[3/30/2009 9:30:03 PM] Anita Ikonen: Let's see... what else can I add to describe what I sense...
[3/30/2009 9:30:42 PM] Anita Ikonen: Most of the time when you think, you do not frown. It is not a focused thinking, but soft.
[3/30/2009 9:30:48 PM] Anita Ikonen: But you do both.
[3/30/2009 9:31:21 PM] Anita Ikonen: But. Constantly readjusting your posture. In very obvious ways. Much more so than anyone else I've seen. I do hope that your back and skeleton doesn't hurt and that that isn't what's causing it.
[3/30/2009 9:31:36 PM] Anita Ikonen: Well, that's all. Finished.
[3/30/2009 9:32:27 PM] Anita Ikonen: Could be part of the way my mind perceives things that aren't in immediate vicinity. I do experience lots of that.
[3/30/2009 9:32:51 PM] Anita Ikonen: Well? Do you shift this way when you are sitting by the computer?
[3/30/2009 9:32:51 PM] Jim Carr: Way off.
[3/30/2009 9:33:31 PM] Anita Ikonen: Aha. Then it must be imagination/delusion/confused processing or something else. Just had to ask since I see and feel it. Thanks.
[3/30/2009 9:34:26 PM] Anita Ikonen: Hm. My mind must be overactive. However it is all subtle in the way I perceive it. So it's not anything to worry about.
[3/30/2009 9:34:53 PM] Anita Ikonen: Of course I consider that toward my investigation.
[3/30/2009 9:35:21 PM] Anita Ikonen: Of course my medical perceptions could be imagination, just like this. Thanks, that was a valuable insight.

Not much different than the recent videos, eh?
 
UncaYimmy said:
What makes you think she's done with the JREF? She still has Jeff Wagg's home phone, and he thinks her claims are interesting and worthy of more testing. She is still eligible apply for the MDC as far as I know. She's maintaining contact with forum members, and like you said, she's probably reading this thread.
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I think, in fairness, Norm was referring to her being prohibited from participating in the JREF forum, not that she can't still contact the organization itself or apply for the MDC.

And I don't believe he was suggesting that we alter our behavior because of her personal problems. Rather, Anita's behavior has been hashed and rehashed here. Unless she does something new to discuss, is there much point to covering the same old ground here?
 
UncaYimmy said:
She also did a "reading" trying to guess my ailments, and she got them horribly wrong. Her conclusion: Her ability doesn't work from photos like she thought. That means the test was successful in defining her abilities.
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I found this exchange very interesting...especially these two parts:


In response to a miss:

VisionFromFeeling said:
Although it is not permissible to make claims afterwards, I did detect an issue with the right wrist but failed to mention it. This does not count but for my purposes I am interested.
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In response to another miss:

VisionFromFeeling said:
The first thing I detected was knee problems but I failed to mention this. It does not count but is interesting for my own record.
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She'd been using that "Detected but failed to mention ailment" excuse long before she tried it with the Dr. Carlson's kidney debaucle.

:rolleyes:
 
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