VisionFromFeeling - General discussion thread

Not saying that this is what happened here, but I had a friend years ago who was always convinced men flirted with her when they clearly weren't. In her mind _everyobody_ wanted her - and all women envied her. She would spend lots of time talking about who wanted her and who envied her. She was in no way unattractive in herself (bar a weird inclination not to shower or use deodorant as she was LaVeyian and actually implemented The Satanic Witch...) but she was normal attractive, not Mary-Sue attractive.

It could get really trying when she for example developed a crush on the boyfriend of a mutual friend and incessantly confided in me the drama of him clearly returning her feelings - when he very clearly didn't. He was nice, well brought up, funny and clearly devoted to our other friend and he didn't give my friend any more attention than any of our mutual friend's other friends, male or female. This was very clear to anyone seeing the situation from the outside. She would sigh and weep and confess her undying friendship to the friend whose boyfriend she was coveting and a determination "not to act" as if she had the choice.

At the bus she would point out some guy fiddling with his phone or reading a paper and go "That guy there SO wants me".

There are people like that and they can be very strong in their delusions. To me making claims like that, when they are unfounded, is abusive.
 
For anyone not following the VfF saga - Anita has very recently been banned from the JREF.

Now to some this may mean an and to the the whole saga (and I'm sure many are ferevently hoping it is :)), but I think this is in many ways a very interesting time for this paranormal claim.

Anita has tried very hard to be taken as someone who wishes to be seen as a person who genuinely wants their paranormal claim to be skeptically analysed.
(Unfortunately, due to her own methods of 'testing' and ideas about what constitutes accuracy, this was always very unlikely to happen.)

However now her primary channel to skeptics and skepticism has been removed.

I think this is a very good thing as it means she will be forced to review her direction.
My take is that she will do one of two things:

1) Make the VfF persona less and less part of her everyday life and focus on other, more productive areas of her life
2) To fulfil the requirement for attention that the claim was being used for, she will abandon any pretense of skeptical analysis and start doing the occasional 'reading'. Completely for free. At first... Then just say to hell with it and chuck herself completely into the paranormal scam world.

It could go either way at this stage and it will be interesting to monitor.

For Anita's sake I hope she chooses option 1) and I wish her well and hope that she is successful in real fields of expertise.
Either way her banning here, while seeming to be fairly inevitable at some stage, is almost certainly a good outcome as it may force her to make a choice that she should probably make sooner or later.
 
Rodney said:
What was the reason for the ban?
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Without going into details, she raised a hypothetical situation in which another forum poster was described as potentially something very unpleasant (not that she was implying he was, but it was still fairly uneccessary).

The mods duly removed the comment and issued a warning.

But the worse infraction was that, after they had done this, Anita then went back to the moderated post and edited it, as far as I am aware commenting on the initial unpleasant allegation in such a way that it was again mentioned in the post.

This is not a good idea at the best of times, and certainly not when you are already on probation after a suspension (which was itself lengthened after abuse of PM by Anita).
 
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As an official member of the Meanies(TM), I can only speak for myself, but...Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.

Although this is the general discussion thread, I am not so sure we have that much to discuss (and we have not for some time, even before Anita got herself banned). Anita's claims have been tested multiple times by a variety of people - professional skeptic organizations, Anita herself, local groups, friends, etc. - and the result of every single test has been a failure. The evidence shows that Anita does NOT have any paranormal ability, and it does indeed strongly suggest that some mental health issues may be at hand.

Of course, I am not so sure we are free permanently. This one will not give up so easily. She wants attention, and she will have it - one way or the other. If nothing else she will use her own website to "reply" to posts here. And of course, there are always the Anita Defense Brigade members ready to spring into action to defend her even if she is not around.

This entire multi-year saga has brought out the best and worst in these forums. And although we seem to have a handful of Stalwart Defenders of the Woo show up to defend Anita from the Meanies every day or so, the vast majority of posts emphasize critical thinking and reason - all which point to nothing paranormal going on here and which suggest that we should use our critical thinking when dealing with Anita and her claims.
 
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Lots of folks have asked me over the last 18 months or so "What is it that you want to stop Vision from Feeling from doing?"

One of the answers that it was never politic to give was "I'd like to stop her from continually throwing the Forum that I love so much into complete turmoil."

I'll bet there are still those who will say that the turmoil was our fault, but I don't have to argue with them any more. There will be those who will say that we embarked on a campaign of character assassination against the poor snowflake, but I don't have to justify myself to them anymore.

We haven't heard the last of Anita Kristina Ikonen, but she's gone from here, and for those who might be tempted to ask me, somewhat rhetorically, "Well, are you proud of yourself now?", my answer is "As a matter of fact, yes, I feel pretty good about things, thank you."


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No one believes in the certainty of the laws of thermodynamics more than I do -- but I also believe in treating others respectfully. I feel bad Anita was spoken to rather harshly recently.

The certain to be wild popularity of the upcoming motel room study will be her revenge ;)
 
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Ashles said:
Yes, nothing says respect for another human being like the prospect of another disturbing and lechy Senex post.

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I PM'd Anita before I started my motel room series of posts and asked permission to flirt with her on this site. She agreed and said she would message me if she felt I crossed into inappropriate. Two days ago she sent me a very friendly PM that I can't return through this site but I will through her own site. She has no ill feelings toward me.

I don't know why you do.
 
Senex said:
She has no ill feelings toward me.

I don't know why you do.
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I don't.

I just find your constant pervy reference to Anita becoming a little weird. To begin with I took them as amusing and tongue-in-cheek, but now, as they seem to be the only thing you ever post in these threads, their simple repetition and single-mindedness is starting to seem a bit weird to me.
 
Senex said:
I PM'd Anita before I started my motel room series of posts and asked permission to flirt with her on this site. She agreed and said she would message me if she felt I crossed into inappropriate. Two days ago she sent me a very friendly PM that I can't return through this site but I will through her own site. She has no ill feelings toward me.

I don't know why you do.
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Wait...what? This needs to be its own thread. You asked her if you could flirt with her on the JREF forums?
 
Ashles said:
I don't.

I just find your constant pervy reference to Anita becoming a little weird. To begin with I took them as amusing and tongue-in-cheek, but now, as they seem to be the only thing you ever post in these threads, their simple repetition and single-mindedness is starting to seem a bit weird to me.
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If you look at all the threads about Anita on this site -- and then look at all the pages each thread contains -- I hardly think my handful of posts should be considered repititious compared to others :rolleyes: You can call me pervy but be prepared to be called obsessively compulsed yourself. I was just trying to make Anita's issue a little more light hearted. Maybe I crossed the line into being creepy in your book. I know I have less to be embarrassed about than others.

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Wait...what? This needs to be its own thread. You asked her if you could flirt with her on the JREF forums?
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No more threads. After the first couple of times I flirted with Anita I wanted to make certain she knew I was harmless. I wrote her a note telling her who I was and asking her if I could flirt with her and wanting her to assure me she would send me a note if I ever made her uncomfortable because I would stop immedeately. Anita was a good sport and said have at it. (Anita is a good sport).
Skeptical Greg said:
That could said of just about all of the posts in the VFF threads ...:D
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Truer words...
 
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