Vedic Astrology : Open Thread

[ManLondon]

Yes there are! Here's one for a start: Then when Hawk one shot that one down you went for this one instead: You've even reposted it in the very post in which you said "there are no excuses!" If the site does what you claim it does, why are you so worried about what people will say about it if they're actually able to see it?

And you've even included a new excuse: On the contrary, several of your own posts in the thread have been about this astrologer, including the original post with which you started the thread.

If you continue to refuse to provide the link, I think we are entitled to draw an appropriate conclusion about the reason for your reluctance
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It is really true! I believe in CAUSE AND EFFECT. Believe that badmouthing someone who could be doing the right is a making a very bad cause. Hence my reluctance. Rightly or wrongly, I have reasons to believe that this website may attract false allegations. (Well, I have, why cant this website?)

Yes, several of my posts have included this astrolger. Did I try to say "Guys there is one astrologer who offers forecasts. Would you like your forecasts?" I mentioned this astrologer because he has left a very strong impression on me. But like said, the thread is to discuss astrology in general not him.

 

[ManLondon]

Let's not do this. How about you reverse the protocol? We'll give you a description of someone and you give us their birth date, place, and time?

Or do you have a lame excuse why this "science" can't make such a prediction?

Based on little knowledge I have on astrology, I can say that theoratically that could be possbile. But will involve really incredible amount of time because there would be possibly millions of combinations to go through and also it will require too much accurate information from the person.

Anyway, that is not something which Vedic Astrology claims or is used for.

 

[ManLondon]

Are you saying that you won't read a forum member?

Yes, that is what meant because like people have refused to see so very specific forecasts, (s)he could overlook the forecasts as well. And a judge has to be imparitial.

 

[ManLondon]

WHAT???!

Not only was it read in excruciating detail, it was totally deconstructed in excruciating detail, and all the flaws pointed out to you...in excruciating detail once again.

And what "condition" might it be that prevents you passing on URLs??? Non-URL-itis? Lack of fingers? Please...

This is almost pure Kumarese... Can someone translate this? I can't. At least, not sensibly...


Actually, on second thoughts, I'm going to make a startling statement here: I'm 180 degrees wrong in what I said above...

ManLondon, I suggest the Vedic Astrology website is actually YOURS, and you are simply looking for some means of promoting it. You won't show us the site because we would very rapidly be able to discern it is a tiny, boring bit if code that randomly displays bland, meaningless text blocks that say "Vedic" stuff. And people will send you money asa result.

Utter non-sense!! In which post of mine did you read that this was my own website or I asked for money? I donot need your money, Zep. I have learnt to be content and very much avoided "hunger-state" for money so far.

 

[ManLondon]

Well, that's a bit silly, isn't it?

Then why did you ask us here on this forum in the first place if you didn't want us involved?? A puzzlement...

I donot remember starting this thread with offering to do forecasts. People have been asking for the website. I understood that people wanted to test this website and there was too much imganination going on so like I had promised to think of another way to get this tested from this forum, I had offered to do forecasts for a person selected by the forum.

Oh for goodness sake, grow up! How childish and petulant can you be?? You have simply been called out on your claims, and when you failed to back them up, I merely speculated on the reasons. Did no-one contradict you when you were growing up?? Or point out your mistakes? If really you want to get back at me, then you merely have to provide the evidence that we seek.

I had replied to each question and message am not afraid from a healthly discussion or objections but some people have used offensive language which I am not going tolerate.

And if this is what you call "bad manners" and "bad language" then you have a mighty thin skin! If you want REALLY BAD manners, you need go no further than your nearest homeopath forum. They will be able to provide all the bad-mouthing you need instantly.

With the continued help from some people, this JREF forum could well be classed as same, very soon.

Actually, the chances are that quite a number of us know more about it than you do. Being skeptics, we actually do research on the subjects we criticise. Something you seem to have overlooked in your headlong rush to believe...

False, trying showing this thread to a Vedic Astrologer and let him decide. Sure, he will have few things to say.

Oh well. Bye bye!

Some of you compelled me to come to answer such posts.

 

[ManLondon]

I don't get the analogy.

If you know enough about someone, could you not at least estimate some possible birthdates?

Here is the reply.
http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?postid=1293855#post1293855

 

[ManLondon]

At the worst this makes you look like a troll and at best like you are not as sure to the accuracy of the site as you claim.

A troll????? how do you mean?

True, I am not 100% sure of the accuracy of Vedic Astrology. Thats why I started the thread.

 

[ManLondon]

Better yet, imagine a man claiming that he has a car in his garage that is capable of spaceflight, but when someone asks if they can see it, he says that he won't let them. That's rather more like the situation we have here.

I did offer to get my claim tested. But what did I get back. Offer to reverse the protocol? Denied an impartial judge? Offensive language?

 

[ManLondon]

I predict this is a scene from the next forum ManLondon will join:

ManLondon: How about Vedic astrology?
VedicAstrologyrocks: It is great! And it really works!
ManLondon:Yes it works. And it is great!
VedicAstrologyrocks: Yes it is great and it works.
ManLondon: I have evidence that it really works. It is great.
VedicAstrologyrocks: I have evidence too. It is great and it really works.
ManLondon: I was amazed when it worked. It was great.
VerdicAstrologyrocks: Yes It is great! And it works.
ManLondon: It feels great to have found a opened minded forum for some serious discussion about the reality of Vedic Astrology! And it is great! And works.

And they will live happy ever after...

I would not have started this thread here if I wanted just to meet people would believe in Vedic Astrology. There are really billions of people all over the world. Indians as well non-Indians. It is not hard for me to find people who believe in Vedic Astrology.

Shows imagination? Shows lack of logic?

 

[Ryokan]

Offensive language?

ManLondon, could you show us an example of offensive language used against you? Offensive language against a user is not allowed on this forum, so if you can show it then the moderators can take the appropriate action.

 

[ManLondon]

HA! Brilliant!

It is kind of a shame that he wouldn't give us the website. I really wanted to see this thing tested. I've got to learn to stop getting my hopes up.

I had offer to do forecasts for you but that was before those offensive messages.

http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?postid=1288631#post1288631

 

[Ryokan]

ManLondon, please see my message here

I have never used offensive language to you. I'm a Buddhist, and not in any way affiliated with the JREF.

I would love to have my Vedic horoscope read and see how well it matches. I have the utmost respect for the Vedics, but I'm unsure about astrology.

 

[ManLondon]

Greetings, ManLondon. I'm 28, and not a member of JREF, nor any other sceptic organization. I'm a Buddhist, and member of the Norwegian Buddhist Federation and the Western Buddhist Order Friends.

Would I be sufficient?

ETA : Damn, I didn't see him leave... Ah well....

Hi Ryokan. Nice to meet you! I am a buddhist too! Not same organisation, though.

I was born as a hindu and have been practising buddhism for years. Now, I try to learn from both teachings. Though I believe, in its heart, buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism. There are no contradictions.

If anybody needed one more proof that I can adapt my beliefs.

 

[ManLondon]

Is there a direct correlation between my destiny and my birth or not?

Yes, there is. According to Vedic Astrology, your destiny had been decided when you took birth based on your karma in previous life-times. But, upto an extent you can change it based on the causes and course of action that you take in this life-time.

You can't have it one way and not the other. That you object so strongly to this idea suggests to me you're not the "skeptic" you claim to be. You've put yourself squarely in the believer category in my books.

I am a bit of believer in Vedic Astrology and trying to get it tested beyond doubt. Certainly, not 100% believer. But, my experience says there is something in it and I am trying to explore it further.

 

[ManLondon]

I'm willing to give him a chance to prove us wrong by allowing his beliefs to be tested honestly.

I was refused an impartial judge and offered to reverse the protocol. Remember?

 

[JLam]

ManLondon,

Please, slow down for a moment and take a breath. There are many of us who want to help you.

You say that you want to get Vedic Astrology tested beyond doubt. There are many of us here who are willing to help you in a non-hostile way. Let's forget about everything that has happened in the past on this thread, and let's focus on getting a way to, in your words, test this beyond doubt.

Does that sound fair?

 

[Ryokan]

Hi Ryokan. Nice to meet you! I am a buddhist too! Not same organisation, though.

I was born as a hindu and have been practising buddhism for years. Now, I try to learn from both teachings. Though I believe, in its heart, buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism. There are no contradictions.

If anybody needed one more proof that I can adapt my beliefs.

How do you know we're not of the same organization/denomination? I believe Theravada is the most common denomination in India, is this not right? I'm a Theravada Buddhist. I follow the Pali canon.

Indeed, Hinduism and Buddhism has common roots, and uses many of the same terms. However, Gautama Buddha rebelled against many of the Hindu beliefs and values, especially on how karma is used to protect the status quo of the castes. He also rebelled against the Brahmins who he thought were tyrants who used religion to further their own agenda.

But this is a discussion (and a very interesting one!) for another topic, this is for Vedic astrology and how accurate it is. I have never tried Vedic astrology, it's not really common in my country or corner of the world, but it would be interesting to see how accurate it is, and if it could be a useful tool to understand the universe and our role in it. Truth be told, I'm not very impressed with 'western' astrology.

 

[ManLondon]

Well of course we all are. But he didn't want that at all. Not being able to give us the url was... I don't know. At least we know he isn't Kilik.

Maybe there was no site at all.

Try google. You will find plenty of them.

Look at this from his first post:
Then we started to talk about cold and hot reading. Then he didn't meet the astrologer so he couldn't have cold or hot read anything.

I said "met". Can you not meet someone on the net? Does it has to be face-to-face?

"Neither I or my friends went to see this astrologer." Do they need to see you twice to do cold reading? I may not be the smartest guy in the Nordic darkness but I can sure figure out a lot from meeting a guy once.

I have never met the second astrologer face-to-face nor have my friends. In my following posts, I tried to give you more information on the meetings but did not do a U-trun from my original post. Silly me, I thought you guys would know bit about Vedic Astrology. Obviously NOT!

I have worked with children a lot. I have been the anti bullying boss in school and it is me you get to have a talk with when you been a naughty boy or girl. When a story changes like this and they always do when the person is not being complete honest you know they are not telling the whole truth.

The difference is when I tell the children I am not buying their crap and they should just tell me the truth. They understand they better tell the truth.

Well ManLondon just ran instead of dealing with us. Well it is really his loss.

Every letter in my posts is true and correct!

 

[ManLondon]

He might come back to this thread, or others might stumble across this thread wondering about Vedic Astrology. There's a slight chance that by giving ManLodon the benefit of the doubt, they'll see that I was willing to listen to anyone who was willing to test their beliefs honestly.

The following were your own words when I offered to do forecasts. Donot know who was running away.

"Let's not do this. How about you reverse the protocol? We'll give you a description of someone and you give us their birth date, place, and time?

Or do you have a lame excuse why this "science" can't make such a prediction?"
http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?postid=1288891#post1288891

 

[ManLondon]

This must be one of the fastest thread closures.

Sorry for your disappointment. I am back. I really wanted to have elaborate and healthly dicussion. Maybe I was expecting too much.!

I go to sleep, wake up, log on and find that I have been asked a question and the guy who asked it has vanished before I could answer.

Hey Manlondon haven't you heard of time zones. What is the point complaining about lack of responses from people who "know" about vedic astrology in the middle of the night India time?

For the last few years, only time I go to India is for holiday or to meet relatives and friends. I live in London.(ManLondon) I am a British Indian.

I was "forced" to close my responses to this thread. Please do go through the thread.

If this is your level of patience I wonder what kind of coding you do.

Trust me, I have too many reasons to believe otherwise!

I do know a bit, have met a few astrologers and know a LOT of people who BELIEVE.

That is a such a big relief! At last! PLEASE do share your experiences, comments and thoughts. That is whole idea of this thread. You are my last (and only?) hope!

If you come back pop me a Personal Message

I am back!