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Enough Said


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WildCat said:
Why does Sentinel only speak in riddles?
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Because it's less painful than when he tries to be direct. He is one of those people who makes me cringe with his analysis of history. A first year student who said such things would be in for a lot of remedial work.
 
TjW said:
Ah. I see I made an error. Sentinel is no longer talking about the Airbus, he's talking about the Egypt Air flight. Sorry. The complete report on that is here.

And reading that, it appears the suicidal co-pilot put them into a power-off dive which exceeded the airplane's Mach limit by a goodly amount. Then the captain came into the cockpit, pulled speed brakes and tried to pull out. The FDR stopped recording at around 18000 feet, but primary radar data showed that it climbed from 16000 back up to 26000 feet before its final dive.

It looks to me as though the Egypt Air flight was going faster than the WTC Boeings. 450 kts indicated at 20000 feet would be a TAS of around 610 kts, about 700 mph.
It didn't go supersonic, but the FDR did record a peak of .99 Mach, well over the .86 Mach limit.

So: yet another suicidal pilot, and even more of an overspeed.

However, even after all that, it stayed together well enough to climb back up ten thousand feet. Since the FDR stopped, we don't have data on what happened during its final descent. Did it go faster than the previous descent? Dunno. No data.

All the WTC Boeings had to do was not come apart before impact. Since the Egypt Air Boeing is documented as going faster without coming apart, why would you expect the WTC Boeings to come apart at their lower speed?
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it seems like s-bomb is just dropping junk and is not going to stop to discuss each bs-bomb he drops!

So it is a waste to see if Egypt air fell apart in the air and how would you know? But there would be nothing stopping the plane from breaking up in a supersonic dive, especially when it hits the thick air as it approaches the sea. The engines and parts could come off. But as we saw on 9/11 a Boeing is built very well and will survive an over speed condition.
 
Sentinel said:
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wow

and did you know

Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party.

Therefore, as I understand from Sentinal, it was Key Lay who funded the Taliban, and then UBL got upset and took out the WTC for Key Lay who was sleeping with UBL's first wife who was on the OB with UBL in DTN from OSUB down from ACLS who were behind SDS in the 70s before Nixon did WG due to CIA with UBL in ANSMFF soon to be WD guys in Scholar for 9/11 turth discovered the whole deal and went nuts!

What the heck is the S guy talking about. ?
 
Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2 (formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)
City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)
Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.
Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am
Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.
General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking
Height: Almost 400 feet tall each
Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)

This implosion of two gigantic gas holders is to date one of the most unusual blasts we've ever seen, and photographically speaking, one of the most challenging.

There aren't many gas holders like these left these days, so getting the chance to see them imploded is a special treat. It is believed that less than a dozen are left in this country. These two holders, built by the Brooklyn Union Gas Company, and now owned by Keyspan Energy, are some of the tallest built in the US. The unusual twist for us is that this dual implosion occured in Brooklyn, NY. Despite our proximity to NYC, this is the first time (that we know of) that a major implosion has occured there in the four years we've been folowing the industry.

Unfortunately, we were faced with some unexpected problems the morning of the blast. The motor drive to our 35mm camera (which allows us to shoot 2 frames per second) was discovered to be missing just hours before the blast. It later turned up in a friend's car, but too late to be of any use to us. What it meant was that I had to advance the film manually, which takes a lot of quick action and coordination during a blast. On top of that, we were so close to the holders (just one block away), that it was impossible to fit both into the camera's view at one time. This meant that halfway through the blast (while manually advancing the film), I had to swivel the tripod, lining up a new view for the second holder.

In the end, our photos came out well and the blast was a success. In fact it was one of the most enjoyable we've ever been to, given the unusual nature of the blast, the close proximity we were viewing it from, and the deafening roar of the explosive charges as they ripped apart tons of steel.

Phillyblast's Implosion Photos
 
Sentinel said:
Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2 (formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)
City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)
Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.
Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am
Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.
General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking
Height: Almost 400 feet tall each
Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)

This implosion of two gigantic gas holders is to date one of the most unusual blasts we've ever seen, and photographically speaking, one of the most challenging.

There aren't many gas holders like these left these days, so getting the chance to see them imploded is a special treat. It is believed that less than a dozen are left in this country. These two holders, built by the Brooklyn Union Gas Company, and now owned by Keyspan Energy, are some of the tallest built in the US. The unusual twist for us is that this dual implosion occured in Brooklyn, NY. Despite our proximity to NYC, this is the first time (that we know of) that a major implosion has occured there in the four years we've been folowing the industry.

Unfortunately, we were faced with some unexpected problems the morning of the blast. The motor drive to our 35mm camera (which allows us to shoot 2 frames per second) was discovered to be missing just hours before the blast. It later turned up in a friend's car, but too late to be of any use to us. What it meant was that I had to advance the film manually, which takes a lot of quick action and coordination during a blast. On top of that, we were so close to the holders (just one block away), that it was impossible to fit both into the camera's view at one time. This meant that halfway through the blast (while manually advancing the film), I had to swivel the tripod, lining up a new view for the second holder.

In the end, our photos came out well and the blast was a success. In fact it was one of the most enjoyable we've ever been to, given the unusual nature of the blast, the close proximity we were viewing it from, and the deafening roar of the explosive charges as they ripped apart tons of steel.

Phillyblast's Implosion Photos
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Somehow, your argument by random image strategy was working better. I felt like we were communicating on some level. When you translate your argument into the base medium of nonsensical English, it loses some of its mysterious flavor. Try to keep things more abstract. It keeps you happy, because you think you've made a devastating point. It keeps us happy, because we have no idea what you're getting at.
 
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fireman Paul Isaac: The Y2K- KeySpan- Maspeth-Twin Gas files


...speaking of pre-9/11 terror exercises connected with the "Guiliani gang", i might have something else:

Some months ago, Aux LT Fireman Paul Isaac Jr (correct name) made already some news at PrisonPlanet.
Isaac "was stationed at Engine 10", across the street from the World Trade Center in 1998 and 99; Engine 10 was entirely wiped out in the destruction of the towers.

Isaac came forward and said, that "many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they're afraid for their jobs to admit it because the 'higher-ups' forbid discussion of this fact."

I picked up the same story on my blog and helped him to find out, if there was possibly an additional gag order by ex-CIA James R Woolsey, but besides hearsay we couldn't find any new evidence on that point.


Isaac didn't give up to dig more on 9/11.
Meanwhile sick from the air of 9/11, his dedication to 9/11 research became extremely high.


Isaac confidentially contacted me last week again and after i first denied,
i promised to help a bit, basically for technical reasons and proper promotion of his research.

Paul has no proper computer equipment at home.


Following is now a collection of 'documents', which Isaac sees in a logical connection.

I helped him to scan some stuff and locate original details.


I would like to forward these files into this group to analyse what he has.


I promised Isaac, that someone might help him to co-write an article.

I also recommended not to focus on one particular document only, because it could be easily oversensationalized and distract from the other stuff he has "letsroll.org-effect".


Here are the files:

To make it more personally, we scanned an older photo of Paul Isaac:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=paulisaac5nm.jpg

The files:

File 1:
The following picture is a scan of the brochure of the 2000 Y2K "Y2K readiness disclosures".
http://img17.exs.cx/img17/8697/y2kshadowdrill8as.jpg

On this brochure you see the names of some involved responsible spokespersons, among them Jerome Hauer (OEM, WTC 7 etc...)

One of the main organizations, who also had been involved,
was KeySpan, formerly Brooklyn Union Gas, as mentioned within this brochure on Page 3, as i recall.
I found a confirmation of their "involvement" also here:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990221102818/http://www.marketspancorp.com/about/y2k.htm
KeySpan Energy's Year 2000 Program,
Year 2000 Readiness Disclosures


Isaac pointed on the cover of this brochure and asked for confirmations of sun/shadow experts.
He thinks, that the shadow which you see in the middle of the North Tower is an artificial constructed shadow from the Woolworth Building, possibly forced by a backlight projection.

Isaac might explain this better and i would like to forward his personal notes ASAP.


He thinks, that this could imply a symbolical "announcement" of the "attack" on the North Tower 9 months later, but possibly also could have been a test drive for a positioning of the bomb system.


I replied, that critics could downplay this as a photoshopped "dramatization" without any further reason.
Therefore he also suggested to add more files...


File 2:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=wtcpostcardcollection9cc.jpg

A collection of WTC-postcards to make the point, that this shadow on the North Tower (as seen on the brochure -and not manipulated from us) was impossible.
(Jean, our photographer in this group, might add now more clues)


Because i was more interested in another angle of an article, he had in this collection, we also scanned the following picture:


File 3:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=towerspluskeyspantanks1gm.jpg

Here you see the Twin Towers and a little bit far away, two twin gas storage tanks.

The story becomes now more interesting.

These two twin gas storage tanks had been destroyed, in a controlled demolition, by KeySpan (formerly Brooklyn Union Gas), on July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am, on Maspeth Avenue in Queens, New York.

http://www.qgazette.com/news/2001/0718/Front_Page/007p1_lg.jpg

July 18, 2001

Isaac believes, that this controlled demolition was a test drive for the Twin Towers, because of similar "procedure", effects, association AND nearby location.


Here is one article about this event:


http://www.qgazette.com/news/2001/0718/Front_Page/007.html
The Tanks Came Tumbling Down
July 18, 2001

"...KeySpan uses mechanized scissor-like devices to cut up the steel skin of the tanks, rather than torches, to avoid vaporizing the lead paint. In addition, KeySpan also laid down a special fabric cover to shield nearby buildings and vacuumed streets after the implosion...

...The twin gas storage tanks on Maspeth Avenue that hovered over Greenpoint and neighboring Queens for more than 50 years collapsed in a cloud of dust early Sunday morning after KeySpan Energy imploded the long unused structures..."



Possibly unsurprisingly for us (and maybe known for some), Keyspan destroyed these Gas storage tanks together with Controlled Demolition, Inc. !!

http://www.phillyblast.com/benthere.htm

http://www.phillyblast.com/Keyspan/keyspan6.jpg

Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2
(formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)
City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)
Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.
Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am
Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.
General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking
Height: Almost 400 feet tall each
Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)



These are all current Isaac files, i can provide.

He might add more notes from other articles, but i thought, that's already enough to build a story.


I promised Isaac to send him all the links, once i'm finished uploading and sending him the first responses of our members of 9/11 Science and Justice Alliance.

I think, an interesting article is possible.


If there is enough response, i would post his email address.
I cannot speak of the significance of his collection, but i think, he found some interesting stuff and it depends on how one write this.

nico



APPENDIX:


http://www.keyspanenergy.com/corpinfo/about/index_all.jsp
KeySpan Corporation was formed in May 1998 as a result of the merger of KeySpan Energy Corporation, the parent company of Brooklyn Union Gas, and certain businesses of the Long Island Lighting Company.

On November 8, 2000, KeySpan acquired Eastern Enterprises, a Massachusetts business trust, and the parent of several gas utilities operating in Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

http://www.keyspanenergy.com/corpinfo/about/leaders_all.jsp
Corporate Leaders

Robert B. Catell
serves on JPMorgan/Chase's Metropolitan Advisory Board

Gerald Luterman
former Chief Financial Officer of Arrow Electronics (1996-1999).
http://www.arrow.com/
Luterman began his career with Booz-Allen & Hamilton
(linked to PNAC member, ex-CIA James R. Woolsey)
 
Sentinel, TruthSeeker1234, and Christophera.

Hey, Truth Movement! Would you mind sending us someone who isn't barking mad?
 
Just curious, I remember having to deal with some nonsense in the 1990s from the inappropriately named Institute for Historical Review, led by a real loon named Nico Haupt. Is this the same guy?
 
Gravy

I provided the truth.

If you're still a moron thats on you.


Circumstantial evidence is permisable in a court of law.

You being licenced by the City Of New York should know that.


Sentinel
 
Doesn't much answer the question. Maybe if I am more direct. Is your Nico Haupt a holocaust denying loony toon?
 
Sentinel said:
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Isaac came forward and said, that "many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they're afraid for their jobs to admit it because the 'higher-ups' forbid discussion of this fact."
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Edits mine.

I've pulled this part out to prove a point. What your friend emailed to you is an example of hearsay evidence. He is reporting to you in an email what someone said to him in confidence. For someone who appears to be lecturing on the rules of evidence, I'm surprised you're trying to pass this off as circumstantial. You can report that the statement was said in a court of law, but you can't testify as to the validity of the claim.
 
Sentinel said:
I provided the truth.

If you're still a moron thats on you.


Circumstantial evidence is permisable in a court of law.

You being licenced by the City Of New York should know that.


Sentinel
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You've provided ample circumstantial evidence, all right: that you're a crackpot. I feel bad for you, Paul. You are delusional. Please get help.
 
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