Time stamped prediction

[Hugo Cornwall]

Since NoZed Avenger has covered everything I could have said, I shall simply concur with that. The history of problems on FTMB has resulted in a policy of suspending to allow a cooling off period, warnings on thread being the lead up to that action. Speculations on ID are verboeten following some rather nasty stuff that went on, which I think I shared with JamesM, but would not care to place in a public forum. If you need me to fill out that detail, then I will do it privately. If you are prepared to take my word on it... it was VERY nasty indeed.

The FTMB is more moderated than some, but, compared to many, it is pretty even handed


FYI, the history has been communicated to The Powers That Be, following a very entertaining few hours reading the pre-Dynastic times of Usenet.

On semantic point. If Claus had been banned, he wouldn't have been allowed back. He was suspended. 24 hours later he was back in, and despite having one official warning on his record is still a fully fledged member of the board, if he chooses to use the account.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Spoken like a gentleman.

Now if everyone will just hold out the "hand of friendship" (covered, as necessary, by the "hockey glove of protection"), we can all relax and have a nice, kum ba yah moment.

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Ok, moment's over -- move along.

 

[Hugo Cornwall]

Steady there... that was almost a very JREF unlike Group Hug....

*ahem* manly handshakes and cold showers all round... and no flicking with towels

 

[Beleth]

My reply to Lucianarchy on Fortean

Holy Crow, but you're more patient than I would have been.

Alexius is certainly good for a laugh. How someone can speak so eloquently about a thread he understands so poorly is nothing short of amazing. That I didn't bust a gut laughing at his first response to you can only be explained by the fact that I was at work when I read it and didn't want to have to explain my busted gut to a Worker's Comp representative.

Oh, and Lucianarchy's profile here has a link to a Web site, which in turn has a link to this Web site, so maybe there's your answer as to what sex he is. Moral of the story: if you don't want people finding stuff out about you, don't link to stuff about you.

 

[Interesting Ian]

I'm impressed with the intelligence exhibited by Helen on there

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13511&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Ah, I find it easier to distinguish between Skeptics and Sceptics Sceptics are Forteans, questioning everything including so-called established facts. Applying Occam's Razor, while accepting that just because something can be done one way, doesn't mean it's always done that way. Skeptics, on the other hand, are like Mr. Randi and dismiss absolutely everything that does not fit their world view. They are virtually indistinguishable from Flat Earthers or Creationists in dismissing anything they do not want to believe. It never seems to be a question of questioning, just blindly dismissing.

I might spend some time on there

 

[FFed]

I can't click on any of the links to the Fortean times that are provided. I get the sorry, the administrator has banned your IP address message. I have never been to this website before. Is anyone else having problems or is it just me?

 

[Interesting Ian]

Just to poiunt out though that I never of course thought that Lucianarchy prediction would come true! (I'll just say that in case it isn't extremely obvious).

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Steady there... that was almost a very JREF unlike Group Hug....

*ahem* manly handshakes and cold showers all round... and no flicking with towels

Followed by cigars and port at the club, with a bracing discussion of those dimned Whigs? By Gad, fellow, I'm in.

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[Ratman_tf]

I'm impressed with the intelligence exhibited by Helen on there

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13511&perpage=15&pagenumber=1



I might spend some time on there

Because, heaven forbid, anyone question your beliefs. Just the ones you don't agree with.

 

[Hugo Cornwall]

Followed by cigars and port at the club, with a bracing discussion of those dimned Whigs? By Gad, fellow, I'm in.

N/A

I like the cut of your jib, sir.... well trousered!

 

[geni]

I can't click on any of the links to the Fortean times that are provided. I get the sorry, the administrator has banned your IP address message. I have never been to this website before. Is anyone else having problems or is it just me?

I think Eos has the same problem.

 

[DickK]

There's another "Interesting Ian" over there! Someone's nicked my name!

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13956&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

Ian, I owe you an apology, I thought you meant that for a minute...must...recalibrate...irony...sensor

 

[geni]

Just to poiunt out though that I never of course thought that Lucianarchy prediction would come true! (I'll just say that in case it isn't extremely obvious).

Ok this is stange I was pretty sure I would (for a given value of "true").

 

[CFLarsen]

Where were you banned precisely? Have you got a link?

I was banned temporarily. You can read the thread here.

Speculations on ID are verboeten following some rather nasty stuff that went on, which I think I shared with JamesM, but would not care to place in a public forum. If you need me to fill out that detail, then I will do it privately. If you are prepared to take my word on it... it was VERY nasty indeed.

Lucianarchy demanded that I show my evidence of his gender, while at the same time demanded that his gender be kept in the dark. Do you have a suggestion on how to solve that puzzle?

The FTMB is more moderated than some, but, compared to many, it is pretty even handed

The warning I got was not according to the rules. The temporary banning I got was not according to the rules. The rules were applied very unevenly.

FYI, the history has been communicated to The Powers That Be, following a very entertaining few hours reading the pre-Dynastic times of Usenet.

To what effect? Non-FTMB events are not comme il faut to discuss on the board anyway.

On semantic point. If Claus had been banned, he wouldn't have been allowed back. He was suspended. 24 hours later he was back in, and despite having one official warning on his record is still a fully fledged member of the board, if he chooses to use the account.

Indeed. However, I never got a reply on the reasons why I was temporarily banned (stu neville's words).

I have read some random threads on the board, and I don't believe that those mannerisms/word choices -- while they may come across that way -- are meant in a condescending way. It's just the way HC expresses himself normally.

If so, I retract my comment.

(1) They did not know Lucianarchy or his history (a search of usenet in sci.skeptic for luci or one of his 20-30 sockpuppets would give a great deal of insight, btw);

That may be so.

(2) They specifically did not know L's history here with you; and

It is not a question of L's history here with me. It is a question of the rules there being applied on a whim.

(3) You came in with guns blazing.

Well....my entrance can be seen as such. However, I wanted to correct a falsehood of Lucianarchy's.

With L, I will admit there is almost no way to hold his feet to the floor without the "in your face" approach. Tenacity is spun by L into persecution.

Indeed.

But because the Fortean board did not know his history, your arrival on the scene was seen as an unwarranted attack; the board reacted accordingly.

Yes, by giving me a warning (albeit not according to the rules). I lived up to that warning, but was banned temporarily anyway.

It was unfortunate that it happened that way, but the controversy is over; L showed his true colors shortly thereafter.

Yup.

You are here arguing a "letter of the law" point about specifically what they banned you for, when they were reading their pronouncements as "lay off the gender thing" and looking at your lists and recaps as an intentional effort to flaunt their warnings. You may not have meant it that way; either one of you may be right -- I don't know without re-reading everything. But I do know this: being right or wrong on this one point just doesn't matter.

I find it important to know what the rules are and that everone is treated accordingly to those rules. It matters.

How about everyone says they regret the misunderstanding and move on with their lives?

I've made my point.

 

[geni]

You clould have used more tact. You would (or perhaps not) be amased about how much eaiser it is to totaly distroy someone's position if you are very polite and avoid fights with mods.

 

[Hugo Cornwall]

My comments onthe above.

Sequence of events...

Claus arrives
LA challenges on gender
Requests from Niles and Stu to moderate tone
PM to DD to ask for cease and desist on the gender probing
DD posts to that effect...
as Stu posts something that seems to be contradictory but actually referred again to tone, not to gender.
Claus didn't see this as the case and kept hammering away now on 'Rules', having had 2 on thread requests to cool down
Stu closed Claus down as per the suspension rules the mods have always (basically discretionary, but not done lightly, needs a majority decision of the active mods at that time.... TBH the fight generated the number of views that LA later bragged about...), used for 24 hours.
Claus was then allowed back.


BTW, Claus, I noted you took offence at my usual mode of speech, so I've toned it down. I realise that my usual slightly effete style can be irritating, and so I'm prepared to compromise

 

[Ed]

My comments onthe above.

Sequence of events...

Claus arrives
LA challenges on gender
Requests from Niles and Stu to moderate tone
PM to DD to ask for cease and desist on the gender probing
DD posts to that effect...
as Stu posts something that seems to be contradictory but actually referred again to tone, not to gender.
Claus didn't see this as the case and kept hammering away now on 'Rules', having had 2 on thread requests to cool down
Stu closed Claus down as per the suspension rules the mods have always (basically discretionary, but not done lightly, needs a majority decision of the active mods at that time.... TBH the fight generated the number of views that LA later bragged about...), used for 24 hours.
Claus was then allowed back.


BTW, Claus, I noted you took offence at my usual mode of speech, so I've toned it down. I realise that my usual slightly effete style can be irritating, and so I'm prepared to compromise

I like it.

 

[Beleth]

Lucianarchy demanded that I show my evidence of his gender, while at the same time demanded that his gender be kept in the dark. Do you have a suggestion on how to solve that puzzle?

Well, yeah, actually... you could have provided the evidence you had of his gender.

I mean, you thought he was male for some reason, right? And whatever that reason was, it was obviously not because he told you.

Maybe LA's demand was worded poorly.
Mabe if he phrased it as "Why do you think I am male?" instead of "Show your evidence that I am male," that whole ugliness could have been avoided.

He just wanted to know why you thought he was male.
He didn't want to provide you with a reason; he wanted to know what your reasons were.

 

[CFLarsen]

Claus arrives
LA challenges on gender

Not quite. I pointed out that Lucianarchy did not predict the Falluja attack, nor the Ladybook (non)attack.

Requests from Niles and Stu to moderate tone

"Tone" is difficult. I would like to clarify that "tone" was not about bad language.

PM to DD to ask for cease and desist on the gender probing
DD posts to that effect...
as Stu posts something that seems to be contradictory but actually referred again to tone, not to gender.

Wrong. I was specifically warned by Stu not to ask Lucianarchy for his gender again. I never asked again. I was temporarily banned anyway. Go check.

Claus didn't see this as the case and kept hammering away now on 'Rules', having had 2 on thread requests to cool down
Stu closed Claus down as per the suspension rules the mods have always (basically discretionary, but not done lightly, needs a majority decision of the active mods at that time.... TBH the fight generated the number of views that LA later bragged about...), used for 24 hours.

But Stu neither warned me according to rules, nor temporarily banned me according to rules. You may want to soften it by calling it "suspension", but I prefer to use the term Stu did.

Claus was then allowed back.

Yes.

BTW, Claus, I noted you took offence at my usual mode of speech, so I've toned it down. I realise that my usual slightly effete style can be irritating, and so I'm prepared to compromise

Oh, I don't mind a "lively" tone. Just don't tell me to tone it down, while you don't.

Well, yeah, actually... you could have provided the evidence you had of his gender.

I wasn't allowed to. Lucianarchy demanded that I showed evidence of his gender, while at the same time insisting that evidence of his gender was not revealed. Go figure.

He didn't want to provide you with a reason; he wanted to know what your reasons were.

Lucianarchy was very clear on this: He wanted evidence shown. But, at the same time, he didn't wanted evidence shown.

 

[Hugo Cornwall]

To clarify my mangled syntax at one point in that....

Stu closed Claus down as per the suspension rules the mods have always (basically discretionary, but not done lightly, needs a majority decision of the active mods at that time.... TBH the fight generated the number of views that LA later bragged about...), used for 24 hours.

Should read

Stu closed Claus down as per the suspension rules the mods have always used. Basically these are discretionary, but not done lightly, and needs a majority decision of the active mods at that time.
TBH the fight generated the number of views that LA later bragged about...
The suspension tends to be for 24 hours, unless there are deliberations around a permanent ban. In that case the thread in website issues on moderator announcments is updated.

Having spoken to some mods about the IP thing... basicallyt some ISPs are banned wholsale because they refuse to clean up their security despite requests. If users over here are coming from those then, well... change ISP... sorry